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To clarify what I said...

I agree with this. The worst traffic in CNY is surely along Route 5 from Lyndon Corners to the intersection with I481.

Traffic along the best alternate route during rush hour (Route 290 from East Syracuse to Burdick and where it intersects with Route 257 next to the canal) is getting progressively worse and is now near crisis stage.

That development is in a really bad place.

When I said this area, I meant CNY in general, not Fayetteville. Adding a lane to I481 (soon to be I81) is not going to help much when all that I81 traffic starts going through Dewitt.

As Go says, it is a shame we never built the extension to I690 that was to go through where Links at Erie Village is now. Or completed the I481 loop around the whole site (not just the east side).

These things weren't a big deal as long as the county population stagnated indefinitely.

They are going to be a big deal now. Interested to see what is done with Fayetteville and with Route 31. These are the whole issues. I think they almost have to make Verplank/Mud Mill a four lane road and have to extend most of Route 31 to 6 lanes.

I don't know what you do with the Route 5 situation in Fayetteville. Add a lane in both directions? Widen Route 290, Route 257, Lyndon Road and Cedar Bay?

The NIMBYs are going to be up in arms!

It is going to be expensive. Some homes and businesses are going to have to move.
This apartment complex is in a bad spot. N Burdick street is already jammed with traffic. This will make it worse. I literally live right across the road from where this is going in. Going to get ugly
 
This city is being stangled by the lack of hotel rooms. We can't get NCAA games any more and it's the same with many other events that need hotel rooms. Pink can't get enough rooms for her staff.


 
Yikes, this always seemed like a disaster from day one. It reminds me of what happened to MacGregors in Hanover and that place is still closed I believe

Scratching our heads and swatting flies at The Taphouse on Walton in Armory Square: (Dining Out Review)

"We tried to ignore the sticky floors when we walked in. The luxury vinyl tiles were tacky, in the sense that the soles of our shoes stuck and made noise when walking...

We laughed at the oversized menu promoting a special charcuterie board to showcase the flavors of spring, and stickers covering items that were no longer available...

The abundance of little flies (of the fruit or drain variety) buzzing around the bar was tougher to overlook, especially when they followed our drinks into the back dining area. One later drowned in a pint of Thin Man Brewery’s Minkey Boodle ($10), a favorite raspberry sour beer that we abandoned for obvious reasons..."
 
Yikes, this always seemed like a disaster from day one. It reminds me of what happened to MacGregors in Hanover and that place is still closed I believe

Scratching our heads and swatting flies at The Taphouse on Walton in Armory Square: (Dining Out Review)

"We tried to ignore the sticky floors when we walked in. The luxury vinyl tiles were tacky, in the sense that the soles of our shoes stuck and made noise when walking...

We laughed at the oversized menu promoting a special charcuterie board to showcase the flavors of spring, and stickers covering items that were no longer available...

The abundance of little flies (of the fruit or drain variety) buzzing around the bar was tougher to overlook, especially when they followed our drinks into the back dining area. One later drowned in a pint of Thin Man Brewery’s Minkey Boodle ($10), a favorite raspberry sour beer that we abandoned for obvious reasons..."

Landlord will end up getting what they deserve, IMO.
 
I’m still mourning the loss of Clark’s Ale House…
Ray Clark tapped out after the place by the Landmark was taken over by the theater. The 2nd place they opened on Salina he wasn't involved in and it wasn't the same. The original Clark's was great but I do recall that someone bought the old Starbucks on Walton and Franklin was going to recreate the sandwich. Not sure what's going on with that place.
 
Ray Clark tapped out after the place by the Landmark was taken over by the theater. The 2nd place they opened on Salina he wasn't involved in and it wasn't the same. The original Clark's was great but I do recall that someone bought the old Starbucks on Walton and Franklin was going to recreate the sandwich. Not sure what's going on with that place.
The place by the Landmark was the best…12 beers and 1 sandwich, as I recall. Nearly cried when they closed…hoped for the best with their new venue, only to be cruelly disappointed.

Ray doing anything newsworthy these days? Is his dad’s place in Skaneatles still going or did he drive that into the ground?
 
The place by the Landmark was the best…12 beers and 1 sandwich, as I recall. Nearly cried when they closed…hoped for the best with their new venue, only to be cruelly disappointed.

Ray doing anything newsworthy these days? Is his dad’s place in Skaneatles still going or did he drive that into the ground?
I think Doug's is still open in Skaneateles but I'm not sure, don't get to that part of the 315 often. The last I heard of Ray is that he was living in a modified fire house somewhere near Strathmore but that was before the original closed. I would imagine he took the payout and decided to tour the world.
 
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Yikes, this always seemed like a disaster from day one. It reminds me of what happened to MacGregors in Hanover and that place is still closed I believe

Scratching our heads and swatting flies at The Taphouse on Walton in Armory Square: (Dining Out Review)

"We tried to ignore the sticky floors when we walked in. The luxury vinyl tiles were tacky, in the sense that the soles of our shoes stuck and made noise when walking...

We laughed at the oversized menu promoting a special charcuterie board to showcase the flavors of spring, and stickers covering items that were no longer available...

The abundance of little flies (of the fruit or drain variety) buzzing around the bar was tougher to overlook, especially when they followed our drinks into the back dining area. One later drowned in a pint of Thin Man Brewery’s Minkey Boodle ($10), a favorite raspberry sour beer that we abandoned for obvious reasons..."

I can't stand that critic's writing...but my first and last experience with that place lead me to believe he's not wrong.

Crazy...two years to gut a lovely and popular bar, install a grease trap, and slap together some gray Lowe's decor, and this is the outcome? It's like a practical joke gone wrong. I don't know what the investors were thinking; when Kasai and the cheesesteak place failed, how could this objectively terrible bar/deli concept possibly last for more than 12 months?
 
Ray Clark tapped out after the place by the Landmark was taken over by the theater. The 2nd place they opened on Salina he wasn't involved in and it wasn't the same. The original Clark's was great but I do recall that someone bought the old Starbucks on Walton and Franklin was going to recreate the sandwich. Not sure what's going on with that place.

He's moving forward, kind of slowly. Aiming for January/February...which suggests that he'll be lucky to be open by parade day. I do have faith that he can execute a strong concept, though (it's the Ale n Angus guy; they have good food, if limited hours).
 
I think Doug's is still open in Skaneateles but I'm not sure, don't get to that part of the 315 often. The last I heard of Ray is that he was living in a modified fire house somewhere near Strathmore but that was before the original closed. I would imagine he took the payout and decided to tour the world.
Good move on his part!
 
He's moving forward, kind of slowly. Aiming for January/February...which suggests that he'll be lucky to be open by parade day. I do have faith that he can execute a strong concept, though (it's the Ale n Angus guy; they have good food, if limited hours).

They posted this yesterday:

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Ray Clark tapped out after the place by the Landmark was taken over by the theater. The 2nd place they opened on Salina he wasn't involved in and it wasn't the same. The original Clark's was great but I do recall that someone bought the old Starbucks on Walton and Franklin was going to recreate the sandwich. Not sure what's going on with that place.
His nephew ran it into the ground. They were giving their buddy's beer on credit. And they had a massive drug issue within the bar.
 
This sounds promising. I think a building this size in this part of the city would really help push that area forward some and hopefully encourage further development near there.

I even like how it looks, and that rarely happens. It looks like it would fit in with some of the other buildings not far away from it.

If approved, it would be the first high rise apartment complex in Syracuse in 50 years. Yikes.

 
The drawing looks like a much smaller project - 40 units tops, not 290, unless it's much taller, or there are buildings located behind the one at street view, like a "campus" of buildings.
 
The drawing looks like a much smaller project - 40 units tops, not 290, unless it's much taller, or there are buildings located behind the one at street view, like a "campus" of buildings.

I’m assuming you weren’t able to see the whole article behind the subscriber wall?

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This looks very similiar to apartments in DC

Not a fan of the overly genorous tax break
 
Turning Stone starts new phase of massive $370 million expansion. Includes a 258 room hotel.

I assume it will be close enough to Syracuse to count when SU bids to host future NCAA mens women's hoops tournaments. It is 34.7 miles from Turning Stone to Syracuse (about 38 minutes driving).

This is the same distance as Spokane is from Coeur d’Alene and two Coeur d’Alene hotels were used when Spokane hosted NCAA hoops games in March of 2024.


I think the tower at Turning Stone has 95 rooms and could be used to host another team.

We have the Marriott downtown, which is plenty big enough (315 rooms) and nice enough to host one team. Perhaps two. Teams have been doubled up in Albany and other places. in the past. This is not preferred but has been done.

Embassy Suites in East Syracuse has 215 rooms. That makes the cut.

Embassy Suites next to DestinyUSA has 209 rooms. That makes the cut.

The Doubletree in East Syracuse has 250 rooms. That should also be fine for hosting a team.

The Aloft in the Syracuse Inner Harbor area has 134 rooms. It is almost new and is almost surely big enough and nice enough to host a team.

The Courtyard downtown has 102 rooms. I would think it is big enough to host a basketball team but again, could be wrong.

The Parkview Hotel on E Genesee has 83 rooms and is rated as first class for accomodations. I would think it is good to host a team.

The Best Western downtown should be okay quality wise but only has 68 rooms. I would think for basketball, that is plenty but I could be wrong. At this point, we have to be getting close to hotels that are too small to host.

Not sure what the cut off point is. If it is 200, we only have 4 right now. Thinking about it more, I guess when you factor in players, coaches, staff, families, fans and the press, you probably need at least 100 to host a team and 200 might even be a bare minimum.

So there is work to be done.
 
There is another big hotel that will be announced soon. Sorry, can't give details other than it isn't within the city limits.
 
Turning Stone starts new phase of massive $370 million expansion. Includes a 258 room hotel.

I assume it will be close enough to Syracuse to count when SU bids to host future NCAA mens women's hoops tournaments. It is 34.7 miles from Turning Stone to Syracuse (about 38 minutes driving).

This is the same distance as Spokane is from Coeur d’Alene and two Coeur d’Alene hotels were used when Spokane hosted NCAA hoops games in March of 2024.


I think the tower at Turning Stone has 95 rooms and could be used to host another team.

We have the Marriott downtown, which is plenty big enough (315 rooms) and nice enough to host one team. Perhaps two. Teams have been doubled up in Albany and other places. in the past. This is not preferred but has been done.

Embassy Suites in East Syracuse has 215 rooms. That makes the cut.

Embassy Suites next to DestinyUSA has 209 rooms. That makes the cut.

The Doubletree in East Syracuse has 250 rooms. That should also be fine for hosting a team.

The Aloft in the Syracuse Inner Harbor area has 134 rooms. It is almost new and is almost surely big enough and nice enough to host a team.

The Courtyard downtown has 102 rooms. I would think it is big enough to host a basketball team but again, could be wrong.

The Parkview Hotel on E Genesee has 83 rooms and is rated as first class for accomodations. I would think it is good to host a team.

The Best Western downtown should be okay quality wise but only has 68 rooms. I would think for basketball, that is plenty but I could be wrong. At this point, we have to be getting close to hotels that are too small to host.

Not sure what the cut off point is. If it is 200, we only have 4 right now. Thinking about it more, I guess when you factor in players, coaches, staff, families, fans and the press, you probably need at least 100 to host a team and 200 might even be a bare minimum.

So there is work to be done.

Does the NCAA count hotel rooms in casinos, or did they change that rule since sports betting is legal everywhere.
 

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