Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[KellySyracuse]

Yikes, this always seemed like a disaster from day one. It reminds me of what happened to MacGregors in Hanover and that place is still closed I believe

Scratching our heads and swatting flies at The Taphouse on Walton in Armory Square: (Dining Out Review)

"We tried to ignore the sticky floors when we walked in. The luxury vinyl tiles were tacky, in the sense that the soles of our shoes stuck and made noise when walking...

We laughed at the oversized menu promoting a special charcuterie board to showcase the flavors of spring, and stickers covering items that were no longer available...

The abundance of little flies (of the fruit or drain variety) buzzing around the bar was tougher to overlook, especially when they followed our drinks into the back dining area. One later drowned in a pint of Thin Man Brewery’s Minkey Boodle ($10), a favorite raspberry sour beer that we abandoned for obvious reasons..."

 

[shandeezy7]

Yikes, this always seemed like a disaster from day one. It reminds me of what happened to MacGregors in Hanover and that place is still closed I believe

Scratching our heads and swatting flies at The Taphouse on Walton in Armory Square: (Dining Out Review)

"We tried to ignore the sticky floors when we walked in. The luxury vinyl tiles were tacky, in the sense that the soles of our shoes stuck and made noise when walking...

We laughed at the oversized menu promoting a special charcuterie board to showcase the flavors of spring, and stickers covering items that were no longer available...

The abundance of little flies (of the fruit or drain variety) buzzing around the bar was tougher to overlook, especially when they followed our drinks into the back dining area. One later drowned in a pint of Thin Man Brewery’s Minkey Boodle ($10), a favorite raspberry sour beer that we abandoned for obvious reasons..."

Landlord will end up getting what they deserve, IMO.

 

[KellySyracuse]

Landlord will end up getting what they deserve, IMO.

Agree, the original guy they leased the space too isn't even involved in it anymore. RIP Blue Tusk, what a shame.

 

[FAL]

Agree, the original guy they leased the space too isn't even involved in it anymore. RIP Blue Tusk, what a shame.

I’m still mourning the loss of Clark’s Ale House…

 

[KellySyracuse]

I’m still mourning the loss of Clark’s Ale House…

Ray Clark tapped out after the place by the Landmark was taken over by the theater. The 2nd place they opened on Salina he wasn't involved in and it wasn't the same. The original Clark's was great but I do recall that someone bought the old Starbucks on Walton and Franklin was going to recreate the sandwich. Not sure what's going on with that place.

 

[FAL]

Ray Clark tapped out after the place by the Landmark was taken over by the theater. The 2nd place they opened on Salina he wasn't involved in and it wasn't the same. The original Clark's was great but I do recall that someone bought the old Starbucks on Walton and Franklin was going to recreate the sandwich. Not sure what's going on with that place.

The place by the Landmark was the best…12 beers and 1 sandwich, as I recall. Nearly cried when they closed…hoped for the best with their new venue, only to be cruelly disappointed.

Ray doing anything newsworthy these days? Is his dad’s place in Skaneatles still going or did he drive that into the ground?

 

[KellySyracuse]

The place by the Landmark was the best…12 beers and 1 sandwich, as I recall. Nearly cried when they closed…hoped for the best with their new venue, only to be cruelly disappointed.

Ray doing anything newsworthy these days? Is his dad’s place in Skaneatles still going or did he drive that into the ground?

I think Doug's is still open in Skaneateles but I'm not sure, don't get to that part of the 315 often. The last I heard of Ray is that he was living in a modified fire house somewhere near Strathmore but that was before the original closed. I would imagine he took the payout and decided to tour the world.

 

[OttoMets]

Yikes, this always seemed like a disaster from day one. It reminds me of what happened to MacGregors in Hanover and that place is still closed I believe

Scratching our heads and swatting flies at The Taphouse on Walton in Armory Square: (Dining Out Review)

"We tried to ignore the sticky floors when we walked in. The luxury vinyl tiles were tacky, in the sense that the soles of our shoes stuck and made noise when walking...

We laughed at the oversized menu promoting a special charcuterie board to showcase the flavors of spring, and stickers covering items that were no longer available...

The abundance of little flies (of the fruit or drain variety) buzzing around the bar was tougher to overlook, especially when they followed our drinks into the back dining area. One later drowned in a pint of Thin Man Brewery’s Minkey Boodle ($10), a favorite raspberry sour beer that we abandoned for obvious reasons..."

I can't stand that critic's writing...but my first and last experience with that place lead me to believe he's not wrong.

Crazy...two years to gut a lovely and popular bar, install a grease trap, and slap together some gray Lowe's decor, and this is the outcome? It's like a practical joke gone wrong. I don't know what the investors were thinking; when Kasai and the cheesesteak place failed, how could this objectively terrible bar/deli concept possibly last for more than 12 months?

 

[OttoMets]

Ray Clark tapped out after the place by the Landmark was taken over by the theater. The 2nd place they opened on Salina he wasn't involved in and it wasn't the same. The original Clark's was great but I do recall that someone bought the old Starbucks on Walton and Franklin was going to recreate the sandwich. Not sure what's going on with that place.

He's moving forward, kind of slowly. Aiming for January/February...which suggests that he'll be lucky to be open by parade day. I do have faith that he can execute a strong concept, though (it's the Ale n Angus guy; they have good food, if limited hours).

 

[FAL]

I think Doug's is still open in Skaneateles but I'm not sure, don't get to that part of the 315 often. The last I heard of Ray is that he was living in a modified fire house somewhere near Strathmore but that was before the original closed. I would imagine he took the payout and decided to tour the world.

Good move on his part!

 

[shandeezy7]

He's moving forward, kind of slowly. Aiming for January/February...which suggests that he'll be lucky to be open by parade day. I do have faith that he can execute a strong concept, though (it's the Ale n Angus guy; they have good food, if limited hours).

They posted this yesterday:

 

[Cusefan0307]

Ray Clark tapped out after the place by the Landmark was taken over by the theater. The 2nd place they opened on Salina he wasn't involved in and it wasn't the same. The original Clark's was great but I do recall that someone bought the old Starbucks on Walton and Franklin was going to recreate the sandwich. Not sure what's going on with that place.

His nephew ran it into the ground. They were giving their buddy's beer on credit. And they had a massive drug issue within the bar.

 

[KellySyracuse]

I didn't realize Ray Clark died, one of the kind posters here PM'd me about it. You can read his obit here, so very sad:

Ray Clark Obituary (2023) - Syracuse, NY - Syracuse Post Standard

View Ray D. Clark's obituary, send flowers and sign the guestbook.

obits.syracuse.com

 

[sutomcat]

Some promising news for the foodies of CNY...

A global restaurant wave is about to hit downtown Syracuse: 3 new places will open this month

French, Peruvian and Caribbean cuisines are on the menus.

www.syracuse.com

 

[sutomcat]

This sounds promising. I think a building this size in this part of the city would really help push that area forward some and hopefully encourage further development near there.

I even like how it looks, and that rarely happens. It looks like it would fit in with some of the other buildings not far away from it.

If approved, it would be the first high rise apartment complex in Syracuse in 50 years. Yikes.

Syracuse agency to vote on $24 million tax deal for Gateway Apartments project

The developer is seeking 15 years of property tax discounts.

www.syracuse.com

 

[IthacaMatt]

The drawing looks like a much smaller project - 40 units tops, not 290, unless it's much taller, or there are buildings located behind the one at street view, like a "campus" of buildings.

 

[shandeezy7]

The drawing looks like a much smaller project - 40 units tops, not 290, unless it's much taller, or there are buildings located behind the one at street view, like a "campus" of buildings.

I’m assuming you weren’t able to see the whole article behind the subscriber wall?

 

[TexanMark]

This looks very similiar to apartments in DC

Not a fan of the overly genorous tax break

 

[sutomcat]

Turning Stone starts new phase of massive $370 million expansion. Includes a 258 room hotel.

I assume it will be close enough to Syracuse to count when SU bids to host future NCAA mens women's hoops tournaments. It is 34.7 miles from Turning Stone to Syracuse (about 38 minutes driving).

This is the same distance as Spokane is from Coeur d’Alene and two Coeur d’Alene hotels were used when Spokane hosted NCAA hoops games in March of 2024.

Turning Stone casino starts new phase of massive $370 million expansion

The project is expected to turn the property into the state largest convention resort

www.syracuse.com

I think the tower at Turning Stone has 95 rooms and could be used to host another team.

We have the Marriott downtown, which is plenty big enough (315 rooms) and nice enough to host one team. Perhaps two. Teams have been doubled up in Albany and other places. in the past. This is not preferred but has been done.

Embassy Suites in East Syracuse has 215 rooms. That makes the cut.

Embassy Suites next to DestinyUSA has 209 rooms. That makes the cut.

The Doubletree in East Syracuse has 250 rooms. That should also be fine for hosting a team.

The Aloft in the Syracuse Inner Harbor area has 134 rooms. It is almost new and is almost surely big enough and nice enough to host a team.

The Courtyard downtown has 102 rooms. I would think it is big enough to host a basketball team but again, could be wrong.

The Parkview Hotel on E Genesee has 83 rooms and is rated as first class for accomodations. I would think it is good to host a team.

The Best Western downtown should be okay quality wise but only has 68 rooms. I would think for basketball, that is plenty but I could be wrong. At this point, we have to be getting close to hotels that are too small to host.

Not sure what the cut off point is. If it is 200, we only have 4 right now. Thinking about it more, I guess when you factor in players, coaches, staff, families, fans and the press, you probably need at least 100 to host a team and 200 might even be a bare minimum.

So there is work to be done.

 

[TexanMark]

There is another big hotel that will be announced soon. Sorry, can't give details other than it isn't within the city limits.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Turning Stone starts new phase of massive $370 million expansion. Includes a 258 room hotel.

I assume it will be close enough to Syracuse to count when SU bids to host future NCAA mens women's hoops tournaments. It is 34.7 miles from Turning Stone to Syracuse (about 38 minutes driving).

This is the same distance as Spokane is from Coeur d’Alene and two Coeur d’Alene hotels were used when Spokane hosted NCAA hoops games in March of 2024.

Turning Stone casino starts new phase of massive $370 million expansion

The project is expected to turn the property into the state largest convention resort

www.syracuse.com

I think the tower at Turning Stone has 95 rooms and could be used to host another team.

We have the Marriott downtown, which is plenty big enough (315 rooms) and nice enough to host one team. Perhaps two. Teams have been doubled up in Albany and other places. in the past. This is not preferred but has been done.

Embassy Suites in East Syracuse has 215 rooms. That makes the cut.

Embassy Suites next to DestinyUSA has 209 rooms. That makes the cut.

The Doubletree in East Syracuse has 250 rooms. That should also be fine for hosting a team.

The Aloft in the Syracuse Inner Harbor area has 134 rooms. It is almost new and is almost surely big enough and nice enough to host a team.

The Courtyard downtown has 102 rooms. I would think it is big enough to host a basketball team but again, could be wrong.

The Parkview Hotel on E Genesee has 83 rooms and is rated as first class for accomodations. I would think it is good to host a team.

The Best Western downtown should be okay quality wise but only has 68 rooms. I would think for basketball, that is plenty but I could be wrong. At this point, we have to be getting close to hotels that are too small to host.

Not sure what the cut off point is. If it is 200, we only have 4 right now. Thinking about it more, I guess when you factor in players, coaches, staff, families, fans and the press, you probably need at least 100 to host a team and 200 might even be a bare minimum.

So there is work to be done.

Does the NCAA count hotel rooms in casinos, or did they change that rule since sports betting is legal everywhere.

 

[rocklloyd]

There is another big hotel that will be announced soon. Sorry, can't give details other than it isn't within the city limits.

There are a couple planned for clay around the great northern area.

 

[TexanMark]

There are a couple planned for clay around the great northern area.

Yup...this is not those

 

[tptcuse]

There is another big hotel that will be announced soon. Sorry, can't give details other than it isn't within the city limits.

Sources???!!!!

 

[OttoMets]

Turning Stone starts new phase of massive $370 million expansion. Includes a 258 room hotel.

I assume it will be close enough to Syracuse to count when SU bids to host future NCAA mens women's hoops tournaments. It is 34.7 miles from Turning Stone to Syracuse (about 38 minutes driving).

This is the same distance as Spokane is from Coeur d’Alene and two Coeur d’Alene hotels were used when Spokane hosted NCAA hoops games in March of 2024.

Turning Stone casino starts new phase of massive $370 million expansion

The project is expected to turn the property into the state largest convention resort

www.syracuse.com

I think the tower at Turning Stone has 95 rooms and could be used to host another team.

We have the Marriott downtown, which is plenty big enough (315 rooms) and nice enough to host one team. Perhaps two. Teams have been doubled up in Albany and other places. in the past. This is not preferred but has been done.

Embassy Suites in East Syracuse has 215 rooms. That makes the cut.

Embassy Suites next to DestinyUSA has 209 rooms. That makes the cut.

The Doubletree in East Syracuse has 250 rooms. That should also be fine for hosting a team.

The Aloft in the Syracuse Inner Harbor area has 134 rooms. It is almost new and is almost surely big enough and nice enough to host a team.

The Courtyard downtown has 102 rooms. I would think it is big enough to host a basketball team but again, could be wrong.

The Parkview Hotel on E Genesee has 83 rooms and is rated as first class for accomodations. I would think it is good to host a team.

The Best Western downtown should be okay quality wise but only has 68 rooms. I would think for basketball, that is plenty but I could be wrong. At this point, we have to be getting close to hotels that are too small to host.

Not sure what the cut off point is. If it is 200, we only have 4 right now. Thinking about it more, I guess when you factor in players, coaches, staff, families, fans and the press, you probably need at least 100 to host a team and 200 might even be a bare minimum.

So there is work to be done.

If I'm not mistaken -- and I could definitely be mistaken on this one -- NCAA wants host hotels to be full-service. That'd scratch most of those downtown locations and the Aloft as well. But there are some in the pipeline.