Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[Cusefan0307]

What’s ironic is that property values have escalated and may very well continue with Micron being built.

Yeah, but you’re taxes are going to go up because of it too!

 

[Eric15]

i see it all the time with the slightest developments near me -- you'd think they were building maximum security prisons.

And ironically, maximum security prisons (perversely) are always an economic boom for the small towns in which they're located. They employ a lot of people.

 

[Ozone!]

The question is what kind of people and do you wish to live close to a prison?

 

[OburgOrange]

The question is what kind of people and do you wish to live close to a prison?

Doesnt seem to affect the citizens of Auburn NY so much

 

[Ozone!]

Doesnt seem to affect the citizens of Auburn NY so much

That was a question each person needs to answer for his/ her self. Prison breaks do happen, from time to time.

 

[bnoro]

People are always going to complain about traffic in regards to new construction in an area. I am not up to speed on what road improvements they plan to make for the Micron facility but as long as they are proactive about the roads and not wait until 5-10 years after the facility opens. I live about 50 miles north of downtown Atlanta (I really miss Syracuse's traffic compared to here). Here, developers are buying up all of the farmland and building giant subdivisions because so many people are moving here. Problem is, the road improvements (widening, etc..) are way behind creating a traffic nightmare. But, I put up with it because this is where the jobs are. The trade-off you have to make. When I am a retired curmudgeon (getting closer), then I will whine & complain about development .

Instead of widening roads, the focus should be public transportation like a light rail system. But this country is too married to cars and "more lanes equals less traffic".

 

[bnoro]

And ironically, maximum security prisons (perversely) are always an economic boom for the small towns in which they're located. They employ a lot of people.

Economic boom, social disaster. Especially the private ones.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The people in the neighborhood I have seen are against any development, the additional traffic and disruption with all the construction to their lives. I attended meetings and the people who attend these meetings are mainly people who are against whatever is being proposed, not the people for it anyways.

There are some who are opposed just to be opposed

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Instead of widening roads, the focus should be public transportation like a light rail system. But this country is too married to cars and "more lanes equals less traffic".

Rails are great in theory. Rails are great for population centers to population centers, and those centers have viable alternative transportation to get around. You would have to have collection spots for the rural folks to get to to hop on the train.
Also, one good snow storm can shut it down the rail for a few days.

 

[baggerbob]

Instead of widening roads, the focus should be public transportation like a light rail system. But this country is too married to cars and "more lanes equals less traffic".

Back when GE. General Motors, Carrier and others were here. We had a great bus system.
Lived on Parker Ave in Liverpool. My Mother would take my sister and I downtown to shop. That was back in the early 50"s.

 

[Jake]

Instead of widening roads, the focus should be public transportation like a light rail system. But this country is too married to cars and "more lanes equals less traffic".

Yeah, no. Light rail is not close to feasible here. Not near enough population density to support it, and the town has no interest in changing their codes to allow such density.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Yeah, no. Light rail is not close to feasible here.

What’s the difference between light rail and heavy rail?

 

[orange79]

What’s the difference between light rail and heavy rail?

Light rail is typically lighter (as it's name would suggest) and smaller gauge, meant urban situations where capacity may not be the primary goal.

 

[OHIORANGES]

What’s the difference between light rail and heavy rail?

I think heavy rail is heavier

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I think heavy rail is heavier

It's only light for 12 hours a day, but it's always heavy?

 

[Eric15]

Instead of widening roads, the focus should be public transportation like a light rail system. But this country is too married to cars and "more lanes equals less traffic".

I love that idea in theory, but like Jake said, Syracuse is just way too small (even with an increased population from Micron) for that to be worth the investment. Syracuse had OnTrack from 1994-2008, which during those years it was the smallest metro area in the country with a commuter rail system. It just wasn't used enough to make it viable and was heavily subsidized. You can get basically anywhere in Onondaga County from Point A to Point B in 15-20 minutes by car.

 

[TexanMark]

Economic boom, social disaster. Especially the private ones.

Agreed...I can't think of a worse place to work

However, those small NNY towns need the jobs

 

[TexanMark]

What’s ironic is that property values have escalated and may very well continue with Micron being built.

Housing has gone up a lot in Onondaga County the last 20-25 years. With Micron coming in my guess is Syracuse will continue to grow in pricing faster than the national average.

I predict we'll hear of several more manufacturers opening after Micron breaks ground.

 

[bnoro]

I love that idea in theory, but like Jake said, Syracuse is just way too small (even with an increased population from Micron) for that to be worth the investment. Syracuse had OnTrack from 1994-2008, which during those years it was the smallest metro area in the country with a commuter rail system. It just wasn't used enough to make it viable and was heavily subsidized. You can get basically anywhere in Onondaga County from Point A to Point B in 15-20 minutes by car.

Public services shouldn't be about making money, it should be about making things easier for people.

Look at cities who have had subsidized bus routes and made them free for residents. Ridership has increased in those areas.

 

[Eric15]

Public services shouldn't be about making money, it should be about making things easier for people.

Look at cities who have had subsidized bus routes and made them free for residents. Ridership has increased in those areas.

But at the same time, if tax dollars are used to fund a service that the public simply isn't utilizing by choice, that is an inefficient use of public resources that can improve the lives of commuters and lower-income folks in more effective ways.

I think a comprehensive commuter bus system for Syracuse is a great idea, with designated lanes that only the buses can use. Pittsburgh does that very well.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Housing has gone up a lot in Onondaga County the last 20-25 years. With Micron coming in my guess is Syracuse will continue to grow in pricing faster than the national average.

I predict we'll hear of several more manufacturers opening after Micron breaks ground.

I have heard multiple rumors that a “fruit” company may be coming, to be close to their supplier

 

[kirbivore]

I have heard multiple rumors that a “fruit” company may be coming, to be close to their supplier

 

[baggerbob]

But at the same time, if tax dollars are used to fund a service that the public simply isn't utilizing by choice, that is an inefficient use of public resources that can improve the lives of commuters and lower-income folks in more effective ways.

I think a comprehensive commuter bus system for Syracuse is a great idea, with designated lanes that only the buses can use. Pittsburgh does that very well.

You need to have enough buses to run the routes every half hour to be efficient.

 

[bnoro]

But at the same time, if tax dollars are used to fund a service that the public simply isn't utilizing by choice, that is an inefficient use of public resources that can improve the lives of commuters and lower-income folks in more effective ways.

I think a comprehensive commuter bus system for Syracuse is a great idea, with designated lanes that only the buses can use. Pittsburgh does that very well.

Don't disagree with any of this. We're on the same page

 

[TexanMark]

I have heard multiple rumors that a “fruit” company may be coming, to be close to their supplier

A natural as that fruit grows great in Hardiness Zone 6a.