Do you believe any of the Seniors will come back next year?

[Sherman20]

Heres my guess at odds of leaving. Marek, Bourama at 90%. Q, Griffin at 75%. JBA, Edwards at 50%. Ideal scenario to me is get 1 of the wings back, 1 of the young bigs and bring in a quality 5 via transfer.

At least Edwards and Q will return. Probably Griff too. Q needs to work on his perimeter game in the off-season.

 

[Bayside44]

Can you think of a guy who started every game for SU one year and then became a roll bench player the next ? I’m not sure I can

Michael Edwards?

 

[Sherman20]

Can you think of a guy who started every game for SU one year and then became a roll bench player the next ? I’m not sure I can

Michael Edwards.

 

[syrBossHogg]

So he wouldn’t play here because of his bad knees? But he could get a job playing professionally overseas? Huh? That’s illogical.

I did say he should try to. And would a team overseas want to take a chance when he’s a year older and possibly more broken down?

 

[OrangeDW]

I feel like starting Buddy and Joe together pretty much ensures a ceiling of about .500 in the league, which means the bubble.

Too slow, if they’re both in the backcourt, and too small if Buddy is at the 3. Both things ensure that we won’t be very good defensively. And this is not 1989 where we can play crap defense and out talent almost everybody offensively.

The sooner Joe becomes a spark off the bench/backup PG and learns how to thrive in that role, the better.

If:
1. We start Kadary
2. One of AG/QG comes back
3. Frank plays adequately at center(or Sidibe comes back and stays healthy)

Then I think we’ll be legitimately good for the first time since 2014.

My dream scenario:
Kadary
Buddy
Either AG/QG
Benny
Sidibe

Bench: (all getting 10-20 mpg)
Girard
Woody
Frank

That would be a pretty balanced, talented, and experienced team that should be solid on both ends of the floor if everybody is healthy. Would have length and size and athleticism, and shooting and skill.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

These threads always frustrate and amuse me when the discussion comes to what a player "needs" to work on to be ready for the NBA.

Good rule of thumb - whatever you think they need to do, you're wrong and the NBA collectively sees it differently. And even then, it doesn't matter.

 

[Bulldog04]

Who are you thinking?

MD, BS, AG,QG,RB or WN

 

[Sherman20]

These threads always frustrate and amuse me when the discussion comes to what a player "needs" to work on to be ready for the NBA.

Good rule of thumb - whatever you think they need to do, you're wrong and the NBA collectively sees it differently. And even then, it doesn't matter.

Then why are kids even bothering to play in college? Why did Griffin transfer to Cuse from Illinois? He should have just gone to play in the G League. People have gone too far in the other direction just assuming every kid will leave.

 

[Scooch]

Michael Edwards?

That's, Michael "The Hammer" Edwards.

 

[PauliePeppas]

dont see Griff or Quincy even sniffing getting drafted but if their fine with that who am I to judge

 

[Sherman20]

MD, BS, AG,QG,RB or WN

I know you’re a fellow Ham grad so I should respect, but the reality is that people hear rumblings but those rumblings often end up being wildly inaccurate. If we lose our entire back line (including both forwards) of Marek, Quincy and Griff, why would Woody and Bras leave? That makes zero sense. We’d have one forward on the roster, Benny Williams, so either Woody or Bras would be slotted in as the starter at the other forward spot. And the other one would be the backup forward who would probably play significant minutes. That said, I still think Q and/or Griff return. One or both could have a junior-year Elijah type season next year.

 

[chugg21]

At least Edwards and Q will return. Probably Griff too. Q needs to work on his perimeter game in the off-season.

You are using logical thinking. That may be a mistake.

 

[Scooch]

Allen Griffin.

JB does have a history of reducing a guy's minutes from one year to the next, when the pieces fit differently, or a better player joins the team at the same position.

My concern is that I'm not convinced JB sees things as clearly and bloodlessly as he once did on those kinds of matters. He's long-since decided what Joe and Buddy can do, even if there is evidence to the contrary.

 

[Scooch]

If we lose our entire back line (including both forwards) of Marek, Quincy and Griff, why would Woody and Bras leave?

From a playing time perspective, what you say makes sense.

However, it could be a situation where guys just don't want to play here anymore, even if they're going to get starter's minutes. I hope not, I really hope not. But there's more to the calculus than minutes, I suspect.

 

[Bulldog04]

I know you’re a fellow Ham grad so I should respect, but the reality is that people hear rumblings but those rumblings often end up being wildly inaccurate. If we lose our entire back line (including both forwards) of Marek, Quincy and Griff, why would Woody and Bras leave? That makes zero sense. We’d have one forward on the roster, Benny Williams, so either Woody or Bras would be slotted in as the starter at the other forward spot. And the other one would be the backup forward who would probably play significant minutes. That said, I still think Q and/or Griff return. One or both could have a junior-year Elijah type season next year.

I don’t think both woody or braswell leaves Thats why I said or as in one or the other. AG is a head case and either he is gonna get fed up or the staff is but it’s not working out. Q does not get the ball enough to keep improving so unless the offense goes through him next year, I can’t see him staying. BS is not healthy and won’t all of a sudden become healthy and MD is no chance of coming back

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I just can't see Bras leaving. He's got to know he'll be seen as potentially damaged goods with his long history of leg issues.

Woody, I could totally see.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I don’t think both woody or braswell leaves Thats why I said or as in one or the other. AG is a head case and either he is gonna get fed up or the staff is but it’s not working out. Q does not get the ball enough to keep improving so unless the offense goes through him next year, I can’t see him staying. BS is not healthy and won’t all of a sudden become healthy and MD is no chance of coming back

What makes you say this? Is it insider knowledge, or just a supposition?

 

[Alsacs]

I just can't see Bras leaving. He's got to know he'll be seen as potentially damaged goods with his long history of leg issues.

Woody, I could totally see.

If Braswell gets his degree he could go home to a team like South Carolina or Charleston and get playing time.

I don’t think Braswell wants to sit on the bench 4 years in a row.

He isn’t coming back to just be a bench piece.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

If Braswell gets his degree he could go home to a team like South Carolina or Charleston and get playing time.

I don’t think Braswell wants to sit on the bench 4 years in a row.

He isn’t coming back to just be a bench piece.

I know he could do that, but with all the info out there about him, would teams actually take the chance on him?

 

[MikeSU02]

Man, this thread is depressing, but appreciate the realism

Sounds like this lineup could be possible
Kadary, JG, Buddy, Benny, Jesse (gets pulled early for Frank)

Unlikely dream would be to keep one of the QG/AG
Better dream would be to keep Bras or Woody in the forward rotation

I do think JG could lose the starting job to Kadary if we keep enough forwards. An entire offseason would give him the evidence in practice

The lineup you outlined is what I'm expecting.

Q will be 22 in May. I cannot fathom he is staying after this year in any way, shape, or form. AG will be 21 in April.

These guys didn't come here at 17 like BJ Johnson. Their clocks are ticking.

Would love Woody to be in the lineup, but who knows.

 

[Fat tire 13]

The lineup you outlined is what I'm expecting.

Q will be 22 in May. I cannot fathom he is staying after this year in any way, shape, or form. AG will be 21 in April.

These guys didn't come here at 17 like BJ Johnson. Their clocks are ticking.

Would love Woody to be in the lineup, but who knows.

Your point on age is very relevant.

Luka Doncic is 21 and in his 3rd NBA season. I realize he is light years ahead of our guys talent wise, but the NBA doesn't want to draft a 23 year old unless they are exceptional

 

[MikeSU02]

Your point on age is very relevant.

Luka Doncic is 21 and in his 3rd NBA season. I realize he is light years ahead of our guys talent wise, but the NBA doesn't want to draft a 23 year old unless they are exceptional

Right, it can work out to be an older player like Hield or Toppin, but it's not something I'd bank on, especially if you're not going to top out as an All American.

 

[OrangeDW]

Your point on age is very relevant.

Luka Doncic is 21 and in his 3rd NBA season. I realize he is light years ahead of our guys talent wise, but the NBA doesn't want to draft a 23 year old unless they are exceptional

Wish that would start going the other way again.

Other than the one in a billion studs, almost none of these guys are any good in the pros until they’re 25-26.

 

[Nicknack]

I don't get the Griff leaving idea. I'm not saying he won't go but why? It seems to me that he has a lot to still prove as does Q. Sidibe is in a different position because of his injuries but I agree with some others who have said that he might want to come back to show that he can be healthy and reliable. As for Kadary, please no. I will probably never forgive Boeheim if that happens.

 

[SUOrangeSU]

So I'm hearing that Marek is 10000% gone, Bras, Jesse are 100% going to transfer and JBA is leaning towards it as well. Sid is a 50/50 shot right now to come back. Both Q and Griff will test out the draft and one will return to start next year along with Benny. Woody stays and is the 3rd forward.

so outcome looks like Buddy, Joey, Kadary as the guards
Forwards: Benny, Woody and either Griff or Q
Center: Sid, Frank or if Sid doesn't come back, they will nab another center (hearing they want one with college experience).

We also may nab a 3 star guard in hopes they are ready by the time they are a junior.

Just what I'm hearing. FWIW