Does the frustration of the fanbase even matter to the AD?

[djcon57]

How about this for next season?

First promote JB to coach emeritus. He is still involved, coach, run practices, help recruit and on the side lines during games, he will play the role of obi wan kenobi. He will help guide Red but Red makes all the decisions.

Promote Red to interim HC. Test it for one year, with JB by his side. See what he can do.

At the same time ADJW conducts a national wide search, with Red on the candidate list.

Will this work or a disaster waiting to happen?

Disaster. No one wants someone looking over their shoulder while they try to do their job.

 

[miamicuse]

That's not "great again" - it's just being good again.

A "MAKE SYRACUSE BB GREAT AGAIN" hat and tee?

There has been so much discussions on so many threads about the "decline", even various stats since 2014. There is no reasonable way to NOT look at it as anything but a decline. How step and how bad can be debated. We have been nothing but a team sniffing the outside of the bubble for so long, and this year, we aren't even going to be invited to the NIT!!!

 

[miamicuse]

Disaster. No one wants someone looking over their shoulder while they try to do their job.

I completely agree. I typed it and then I said, it will be such a disaster LOL.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

I think this is the problem we aren't "many" other schools we are Syracuse. We shouldn't strive to be Arizona State, Kansas State, or Miami we are better than that. Our expectations should be higher than being mediocre for a decade but we had those two tournaments where we randomly won two games let's celebrate. Being on the bubble for 8 straight years is mediocrity for Syracuse.

We should be competing for ACC titles. We should be bringing in very strong recruiting classes. We should be ranked every year. I can deal with a down year of 18-13 and on the bubble every once in a while but I will not lower my expectations for the program because the coach holds sentimental value. Those two things can be independent. We have spent more time this last decade on the bubble than being ranked.

You bring up excellent points. Plus, you could include that we should win a minimum of 20 games every year. No one is going to argue that we have struggled and that our recent results are below "Boeheim" standards. I think the difference is just how we define mediocre. I think there is more parity in college basketball than ever before. You see more upsets than ever before. Look at the "non-Power conference" teams that have made the Final Four recently: 2021-Houston and Gonzaga, 2018-Loyola of Chicago, 2017-Gonzaga.

Plus, you see a balance of power shifted in CBB. The best players in the northeast are going to prep schools and colleges all over the country. And the best players don't necessarily grow up in the northeast anymore. There are currently nine teams from southern states in the top 25 (Baylor, Duke, Auburn, Texas Tech, Tenn, Houston, Ark, Texas and Bama) and five schools from out west (Zags, Zona, USC, UCLA and St Marys). That's a lot when you consider only three teams from the east are ranked (Prov, Nova and Yukon). I think we can all agree that Wildhack needs to hit a homerun.

 

[Millhouse]

Is the current JB as good as the guy that got to the first 900 wins?

Of course not. Aye yi yi

 

[TheCusian]

We have a 590 winning percentage the last 8 seasons after JB had a 74% winning percentage most of his career. You don't consider that more than a slight downturn or something to be concerned about yet?

Yes to “concerned.” No to “enough for a coaching change”

You know me well enough to know the winning % isn’t good to look at without understanding the why behind it. So yeah, a slight downturn. But what are *the reasons* for it?

And is that downturn enough to shuttle the HOF coach into retirement or are there are things at play? Will the AD know enough about the problems to help the current coach or make the hire for the next one? What is systemic? What is the HC? Why is the ACC down? Etc

 

[TheCusian]

I don't disagree. Next guy might not be the answer, even. But I present to you Kevin Ollie, Dan Hurley, and every post-Calhoun hire.

Has it been Calhoun? No. But that's UConn. Forgive me if I think SU can compete with UConn.

Right now we aren't competitive with them, or really many Top 25 teams. We haven't won a single game against a ranked team. We haven't really been close, if we want to be honest.

We aren't good. We are below average for a P5 team. Well below average.

We are 9th of 14 ACC teams in KenPom rating.

Syracuse would be dead last (11 out of 11) in the Big 12, 12th of 15 in the Big Ten, 11th of 15 in the SEC, 9th of 12 in the Big East, 7th of 13 in the Pac 12 (added a team to include SU).

All told, we are better than 16 P5 schools.

If you'd like me to go through our rankings the last 7 years, I can. But this isn't about us getting back to being great. It's about getting us back to being Top 40 and not on the bubble every year.

That's not "great again" - it's just being good again.

Wrong question.

The right question is “is our current HC capable of righting the ship?”

 

[miamicuse]

If I apply the John Wick 3 movie ending parley scene to this, then...

JB is Winston...

Hop is John Wick...

JW is the adjudicator...

The chancellor and BoT is the high table...

...and we are waiting for John Wick 4 to see what happens?

 

[djcon57]

Wrong question.

The right question is “is our current HC capable of righting the ship?”

I'll agree to that if you give specifics to what "righting the ship" is.

I think that's a lot of the disconnect in discussion. Simply getting back to the tourney, for example, isn't righting the ship, imo

 

[SUFan44]

Wrong question.

The right question is “is our current HC capable of righting the ship?”

Well the answer to that question - which is quite obviously no - provides the same result I think the majority want. So it's just a different question.

 

[TheCusian]

Well the answer to that question - which is quite obviously no - provides the same result I think the majority want. So it's just a different question.

Fans always want to see things myopically and every fix is a firing and hiring. But we've not done that for 46 seasons, though there have been other times the "majority" were in favor of it.

How much of our current position to you attribute to the HC? Are there any things that have changed in the last 5-10 years that are outside of the HC purview that have made winning at Syracuse more difficult? Are there things that can be addressed to help whomever is the HC?

Some ancillary questions for you to ponder.

 

[SUFan44]

Fans always want to see things myopically and every fix is a firing and hiring. But we've not done that for 46 seasons, though there have been other times the "majority" were in favor of it.

How much of our current position to you attribute to the HC? Are there any things that have changed in the last 5-10 years that are outside of the HC purview that have made winning at Syracuse more difficult? Are there things that can be addressed to help whomever is the HC?

Some ancillary questions for you to ponder.

The guy is 77 years old. There is literally no precedent of a 77-year old turning anything around.

As to your questions:

1. How much of our current position do you attribute to the HC? By his own definition, everything falls on the head coach. So 100%. He oversees the program, he is responsible for the current position.
2. Made it more difficult? I guess you could say moving to the ACC has made it different - I'm not sure if it's more difficult, I guess you could argue that. You can also argue sanctions have impacted, though I think that argument and excuse has run its course.
3. I think a fresh perspective and new ideas on how a program should run would be extremely beneficial. The resources are there. The fans are there. The support is there. The league is good enough to win a championship.

 

[bozophobe]

The guy is 77 years old. There is literally no precedent of a 77-year old turning anything around.

As to your questions:

1. How much of our current position do you attribute to the HC? By his own definition, everything falls on the head coach. So 100%. He oversees the program, he is responsible for the current position.
2. Made it more difficult? I guess you could say moving to the ACC has made it different - I'm not sure if it's more difficult, I guess you could argue that. You can also argue sanctions have impacted, though I think that argument and excuse has run its course.
3. I think a fresh perspective and new ideas on how a program should run would be extremely beneficial. The resources are there. The fans are there. The support is there. The league is good enough to win a championship.

Grandma Moses Malone?