Doug Marrone

[TheCusian]

He won 8 games 2 times in 4 years.

Dino hasn't managed that second winning season yet, and this will be year six.

This post is malpractice. If Dino was gifted Doug’s second year, he’d have won 8. Shafer would have won 8. Grob would have won 2-3 lol.

Doug was good but not great here. Better than Dino, but not by a ton. Big East was a shell of itself those years.

 

[orangenauburn]

Some names I'd reach out too

Curt Cignetti from JMU
Danny Rocco from Delaware
Brian Bohannon from Kennesaw State

Ryan Silverfield from Memphis
Luke Fickell from Cincy

Bill O Brien
Doug Marrone
Matt Patricia

Robb Smith Rutgers DC
Joe Moorhead Oregon OC

 

[IthacaMatt]

We don't need to hire a meathead, we need to follow the Dino model but tweak the process

I think my first interview question would be "Do you have a playbook?" LOL

Hell of an approach that turned out to be!

 

[IthacaMatt]

This post is malpractice. If Dino was gifted Doug’s second year, he’d have won 8. Shafer would have won 8. Grob would have won 2-3 lol.

Doug was good but not great here. Better than Dino, but not by a ton. Big East was a shell of itself those years.

"Gifted Doug's SECOND year"??? Come again? That makes no sense, my friend.

Pasqualoni was left a loaded squad, and then won 10 games back-to-back.

In ANY coach's second year you can't talk about the talent he was left. Why are you ignoring the year before?

 

[Tango32]

True but recruiting for Bama is kinda like calling a kid and saying “hey young man would you like to play for Alabama? Yes coach Marrone, where do I sign?” Recruiting over. 007 shared in another thread that there was more to it for Marrone than just disliking recruiting , so if that is the case thats fine. That still doesn’t change my perspective that you don’t rehire a former HC.

Return of the Mack seems to be working just fine if you dont want to count Schiano.

It can be done with success

 

[Briancuse]

Some names I'd reach out too

Curt Cignetti from JMU
Danny Rocco from Delaware
Brian Bohannon from Kennesaw State

Ryan Silverfield from Memphis
Luke Fickell from Cincy

Bill O Brien
Doug Marrone
Matt Patricia

Robb Smith Rutgers DC
Joe Moorhead Oregon OC

Luke Fickell would be great. Id have to imagine he's thinking bigger job.

 

[PhatOrange]

Luke Fickell would be great. Id have to imagine he's thinking bigger job.

Cincy is going P5

 

[Briancuse]

Cincy is going P5

I get it but he has to be thinking blue blood or NFL. He's a terrific coach.

 

[syrBossHogg]

I get it but he has to be thinking blue blood or NFL. He's a terrific coach.

I think Ohio St is his dream job but Day is young enough to stick there for a long time

 

[Briancuse]

I think Ohio St is his dream job but Day is young enough to stick there for a long time

The Bengal job could be open soon.

 

[RoatanCuse]

I wouldn't be surprised if Marrone went to Bama to study them and Saban to prep for a return here. He doesn't need the money and could have stayed in the NFL.

I hope you are right! But is seems pretty far-fetched to me. Nothing personal.

 

[RoatanCuse]

I also think Marrone wouldn't come here, but I also don't think he's a good fit for today's game anymore. He did a good job in 2012 but he also had a Senior QB, Senior WRs, a Senior NFL LT, etc.

When Nick Saban says you can't win games anymore by running the ball, playing for field position, and playing good defense, that should be a huge wake up call to coaches.

We don't need to hire a meathead, we need to follow the Dino model but tweak the process and aim for someone who's a better player developer, disciplinarian, someone with a strong offensive scheme but a bit more experience at building up a program.

Moorehead fits the bill.

 

[Cusefan69]

Return of the Mack seems to be working just fine if you dont want to count Schiano.

It can be done with success

Perhaps Tango. Its just not a common solution and just my opinion but it reeks of a school and AD that can’t figure things out, so they try going old hat. Living in the past. Would rather have them either be aggressive and just shell out some cash on a bigger name and see how that works or go lower dollar and get a young buck who has the potential.

 

[baggerbob]

"Gifted Doug's SECOND year"??? Come again? That makes no sense, my friend.

Pasqualoni was left a loaded squad, and then won 10 games back-to-back.

In ANY coach's second year you can't talk about the talent he was left. Why are you ignoring the year before?

Everyone gives Pasgualoni credit for those 2 years with Mac's recruits, the 2 best years he had. So Doug gets credit for all his years.

 

[MSOrange]

This post is malpractice. If Dino was gifted Doug’s second year, he’d have won 8. Shafer would have won 8. Grob would have won 2-3 lol.

Doug was good but not great here. Better than Dino, but not by a ton. Big East was a shell of itself those years.

As Gomer Pyle would say surprise, surprise, surprise - once again you fail to tell the whole story of the Marrone era and just look at wins and losses and schedule strength.

With only 49 on field, SU players see increased repetitions

By the time it trickles down to Antwon Bailey, it's the end of the domino effect.With just 49 non-specialist scholarship players on Syracuse's football roster…

dailyorange.com

In 2009, SU entered the season with 70 scholarship players. In 2010 spring, SU had 49 non-kicking scholarship players and 3 specialists for practice. The other seven Big East teams averaged 90 players on their spring rosters. Even with the full recruiting class coming in, they were still well short of 85 that season.

Sure Doug might have been responsible for some of the attrition by apparently being a hard ass. But what was he supposed to do? He took over a program that won 10 overall games and 3 conference games in 4 years under Greg Robinson. They couldn't even come close to competing against that Big East schedule. He had to completely rebuild the roster.

Now I'm not the biggest Marrone fan like this may seem, but when you constantly talk his record just in terms of wins and losses, but scream asterisk all last season about Dino and include every single detail about why it's been difficult for him, I'm going to flag you for posting malpractice.

 

[Tango32]

Perhaps Tango. Its just not a common solution and just my opinion but it reeks of a school and AD that can’t figure things out, so they try going old hat. Living in the past. Would rather have them either be aggressive and just shell out some cash on a bigger name and see how that works or go lower dollar and get a young buck who has the potential.

Fair, as a fan I just feel worn down. Sick of the non stop re-building for the last 17 years. At this point I want Tony to get a shot or let Doug atleast get us to the point of mid field conference battler since hes had success here before.

I feel like I cant take another hyped up hire let down, even though like a glutton for punishment I'll schedule my Saturdays around it no matter what.

 

[TheCusian]

"Gifted Doug's SECOND year"??? Come again? That makes no sense, my friend.

Pasqualoni was left a loaded squad, and then won 10 games back-to-back.

In ANY coach's second year you can't talk about the talent he was left. Why are you ignoring the year before?

I was talking about the schedule strength.
Historically, the easiest of the last 30 years. Two FCS teams.

Dino’s had a much harder road than Marrone and it’s not close. Shafer’s 1st year was more impressive than Marrone’s second.

 

[elimunelson]

Everyone gives Pasgualoni credit for those 2 years with Mac's recruits, the 2 best years he had. So Doug gets credit for all his years.

His two best ranked seasons yes but 01 was Pasqualonis best coaching job.

 

[TheCusian]

As Gomer Pyle would say surprise, surprise, surprise - once again you fail to tell the whole story of the Marrone era and just look at wins and losses and schedule strength.

With only 49 on field, SU players see increased repetitions

By the time it trickles down to Antwon Bailey, it's the end of the domino effect.With just 49 non-specialist scholarship players on Syracuse's football roster…

dailyorange.com

In 2009, SU entered the season with 70 scholarship players. In 2010 spring, SU had 49 non-kicking scholarship players and 3 specialists for practice. The other seven Big East teams averaged 90 players on their spring rosters. Even with the full recruiting class coming in, they were still well short of 85 that season.

Sure Doug might have been responsible for some of the attrition by apparently being a hard ass. But what was he supposed to do? He took over a program that won 10 overall games and 3 conference games in 4 years under Greg Robinson. They couldn't even come close to competing against that Big East schedule. He had to completely rebuild the roster.

Now I'm not the biggest Marrone fan like this may seem, but when you constantly talk his record just in terms of wins and losses, but scream asterisk all last season about Dino and include every single detail about why it's been difficult for him, I'm going to flag you for posting malpractice.

Yeah, no. I didn’t say he gets no credit. Just that the credit he gets for 2 winning seasons in 4 comes with a giant arse asterisk.

 

[elimunelson]

I was talking about the schedule strength.
Historically, the easiest of the last 30 years. Two FCS teams.

Dino’s had a much harder road than Marrone and it’s not close. Shafer’s 1st year was more impressive than Marrone’s second.

Marrones second year saved the program. Just getting that rag tag group to a bowl was massive turnaround for the fan base and the psyche. Coming off grob we needed it and he pulled it out. Beating WVU on the road was just monstrous

 

[MSOrange]

Yeah, no. I didn’t say he gets no credit. Just that the credit he gets for 2 winning seasons in 4 comes with a giant arse asterisk.

So you have no response to what he had to do to rebuild the roster? It's just schedule strength and that's it to you?

 

[TheCusian]

Marrones second year saved the program. Just getting that rag tag group to a bowl was massive turnaround for the fan base and the psyche. Coming off grob we needed it and he pulled it out. Beating WVU on the road was just monstrous

Again, didn’t say it wasn’t important. I enjoyed every second. But - this is more a critique of using “2 winning seasons in 4” as a kind of benchmark without context.

Clemson win was pretty good for my psyche too

 

[TheCusian]

So you have no response to what he had to do to rebuild the roster? It's just schedule strength and that's it to you?

No, that’s adding context = good job by you

It’s important to do this and I applaud your effort, honestly.

It should be said that year 2 of any new HC (following a firing) is usually young and inexperienced. Attrition happened to Dino too.

 

[baggerbob]

His two best ranked seasons yes but 01 was Pasqualonis best coaching job.

I agree Freeney had a lot to do with that. If he had a functioning offense that year, that might have been an undefeated year.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

If he comes here and wins does he jump for a better NCAA job? I doubt he gets offered an NFL gig again even though he did a good job overall his two stops.