Facilities

[rrlbees]

ya and you win because you have recruits, who come here because of the coaches and facilities. your using the chicken and the egg theory, but you have it backwards.

Of course winning and talent are related. But we could have top line facilities and if we still continued to lose because of bad coaching or whatever or played in a half ass conference, those facilities aren't gonna recruit anyone. UConn has great facilities supposedly and people here were jealous of what Burton did. Why do they suck and have little talent?


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[SWC75]

Again not the point ... where is Brown playing (little hint it ain't at SU)? And I think you should reread what I wrote ... how Tennessee is doing has no bearing on the fact that Brown left ... actually it furthers my point that winning and relationship with coaches are always important but you can't dismiss facilities ... you obviously aren't getting that. And again why is that recruits address the Melo Center on a consistent basis? Is it because they have such a great relationship with Boehiem and he tells them to? Um no ... its because it is a BIG SELLING POINT TO RECRUITS.

I haven't dismissed facilities- I just did a nine page post on them that started this thread. Some posters seem to think they are all that matters in recruiting and that our facilities are or have been "a mess". Neither is true. We had a genuine facilities crisis back in the seventies. We haven't really had one since, just a need to update them in certain ways from time to time, which we've done. We haven't built the palaces you see in some of those photos and I'm glad we didn't.

 

[SWC75]

He's doing the football program a favor. Sure the Melo Center helps. But we recruited fine before it too. You know all the great players we got in the past and great teams we had. They came here because of JB, playing in front of 30k people, the winning tradition and the chance to play in the BE. Some of you talk like we couldn't recruit in basketball before the Melo Center.


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I think the Melo center has had a bigger impact on the DEVELOPMENT of our players while they are here. Every year since it opened, one or two guys come back as totally different players, (Scoop Jardine and Wes Johnson in 2010, Rick Jackson in 2011, Fab Memo in 2012, James Southelrand last year, probably Jerami Grant this year). We were recruiitng top players for decades before that.

 

[anomander]

I haven't dismissed facilities- I just did a nine page post on them that started this thread. Some posters seem to think they are all that matters in recruiting and that our facilities are or have been "a mess". Neither is true. We had a genuine facilities crisis back in the seventies. We haven't really had one since, just a need to update them in certain ways from time to time, which we've done. We haven't built the palaces you see in some of those photos and I'm glad we didn't.

that is an opinion...your opinion. and you are in a very small minority on this one. let's not make it like it's a fact

 

[anomander]

Of course winning and talent are related. But we could have top line facilities and if we still continued to lose because of bad coaching or whatever or played in a half ass conference, those facilities aren't gonna recruit anyone. UConn has great facilities supposedly and people here were jealous of what Burton did. Why do they suck and have little talent?


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UCONN pretty recently made a BCS bowl, and they have had a lot of talent. Did you see how many kids they had drafted last season? Talent really wasn't an issue.

 

[rrlbees]

UCONN pretty recently made a BCS bowl, and they have had a lot of talent. Did you see how many kids they had drafted last season? Talent really wasn't an issue.

A short term spike of some talent for a couple years. They have done this year. And BTW, many of those guys that did get drafted weren't some stud HS recruits. They were under the radar kids. Not a bunch of 4-5 star studs that were wowed by their facilities.


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[GoSU96]

We'll never be Oregon or any team like them. We're never going to have the wow factors those type of schools have. Let's just try to keep pace with our peer group which isn't Oregon, Tennessee, Auburn and the other schools people point to.


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Whoever said that or that it was a reasonable standard? Talk about a strawman.

The issue isn't "Wow factor" it's "Suck factor". The problem when Marrone took over wasn't lack of Wow it was that the facilities actually drove recruits away. That's the problem you and SWC don't seem to understand. That's where it has impacted the roster.

From what I have been told there have been multiple instances during Marrone's time where but for the facilities they would have had some more highly regarded recruits.

That has been mitigated to extent in the last two years. That's a good thing. But more needs to be done to get on a more equal footing.

 

[rrlbees]

Whoever said that or that it was a reasonable standard? Talk about a strawman.

The issue isn't "Wow factor" it's "Suck factor". The problem when Marrone took over wasn't lack of Wow it was that the facilities actually drove recruits away. That's the problem you and SWC don't seem to understand. That's where it has impacted the roster.

From what I have been told there have been multiple instances during Marrone's time where but for the facilities they would have had some more highly regarded recruits.

That has been mitigated to extent in the last two years. That's a good thing. But more needs to be done to get on a more equal footing.

Again, it is grossly overstated and an excuse. Is the number 0? No. But it's a big exaggeration. Also, according to Marrone those upgrades have made our football complex state of the art.


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[GoSU96]

...Some posters seem to think they are all that matters in recruiting and that our facilities are or have been "a mess". Neither is true. We had a genuine facilities crisis back in the seventies. We haven't really had one since, just a need to update them in certain ways from time to time, which we've done...

1. Who said that it was all that matters. Talk about exaggerating and making things up.

2. As for "mess", it was true, you couldn't be more wrong. Your statement shows you just don't get it.

 

[GoSU96]

Again, it is grossly overstated and an excuse. Is the number 0? No. But it's a big exaggeration. Also, according to Marrone those upgrades have made our football complex state of the art.


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Just stop, those are statements from press releases, what's he going to say. And didn't I say in the post you are responding to that it mitigated the problems. Doesn't mean they didn't exist and the AD had been slow in addressing them. They did what absolutely needed to be done, but there's an awful lot of room between what has been done and Oregon.

And if everything is now so rosy, what the push for an IPF?

From the paper about the IPF.

Shafer said. "It's been a necessity for a long time. I think there's a misconception we have the Dome, why would we need an indoor? Well, once our basketball team gets out there we really only have 50 or 60 yards of space, and you can't get work done there."

Said senior Jay Bromley: "All the other (teams) in the country have different indoor facilities that help them compete at a national level as far as recruits and everything like that, so it's big for Syracuse University to help keep pace with those programs and try to out-do them to make sure we stay on a level playing field."

 

[rrlbees]

Just stop, those are statements from press releases, what's he going to say. And didn't I say in the post you are responding to that it mitigated the problems. Doesn't mean they didn't exist and the AD had been slow in addressing them. They did what absolutely needed to be done, but there's an awful lot of room between what has been done and Oregon.

And if everything is now so rosy, what the push for an IPF?

From the paper about the IPF.

Shafer said. "It's been a necessity for a long time. I think there's a misconception we have the Dome, why would we need an indoor? Well, once our basketball team gets out there we really only have 50 or 60 yards of space, and you can't get work done there."

Said senior Jay Bromley: "All the other (teams) in the country have different indoor facilities that help them compete at a national level as far as recruits and everything like that, so it's big for Syracuse University to help keep pace with those programs and try to out-do them to make sure we stay on a level playing field."

Like others, there you go mentioning Oregon. We're never going to be Oregon.

BTW, you need to blame donors and those responsible for getting donors, which includes the HC.


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[dasher]

Whoever said that or that it was a reasonable standard? Talk about a strawman.

The issue isn't "Wow factor" it's "Suck factor". The problem when Marrone took over wasn't lack of Wow it was that the facilities actually drove recruits away. That's the problem you and SWC don't seem to understand. That's where it has impacted the roster.

From what I have been told there have been multiple instances during Marrone's time where but for the facilities they would have had some more highly regarded recruits.

That has been mitigated to extent in the last two years. That's a good thing. But more needs to be done to get on a more equal footing.

Not my fight and I tend to side with the facilities need to be upgraded but I question if in reality recruits would have come here if not for our bad facilities. That sounds like something a bitter recruiter would use as an excuse as to why he couldn't close the deal.

 

[OburgOrange]

"Don't listen to GOSU."

You gonna make me go look it up huh?


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Well, you were the one that brought it up.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Since we are talking about facilities, it's October 31st and the outdoor track is still standing. Anyone hear anything about a start date for the IPF?

 

[oldpinepoint]

This is useless argument, everything discussed matters. Winning, coaches, facilities, conference, location etc. bottom line is we have none of these for over a decade. Winning- not until recently, coaches- train wreck up until the last few years. Facilities- not very good, conference- big east flat out blows, location- for flicks sake we live In a city that has won the golden snowball like 20 years in a row.

We need money period, donations need to be stepped up with more support from the administration.

 

[anomander]

Since we are talking about facilities, it's October 31st and the outdoor track is still standing. Anyone hear anything about a start date for the IPF?

this is what i want to know??

i thought we were hoping to have it completed by next Spring? That's not happening.

 

[rrlbees]

Since we are talking about facilities, it's October 31st and the outdoor track is still standing. Anyone hear anything about a start date for the IPF?

I'm guessing subcontractor issues or we don't have the needed money yet to start.


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[anomander]

I'm guessing subcontractor issues or we don't have the needed money yet to start.


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:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

 

[GoSU96]

Like others, there you go mentioning Oregon. We're never going to be Oregon.

BTW, you need to blame donors and those responsible for getting donors, which includes the HC.


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We're never going to be Oregon? wow, what a revelation. I never said they were a goal, I said they were one end of the spectrum.

 

[rrlbees]

We're never going to be Oregon? wow, what a revelation. I never said they were a goal, I said they were one end of the spectrum.

And they skew the point. I used to like better the threads that showed pics of the facilities of the big boys and the lamenting of what is wrong with us. Those were fun.


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[GoSU96]

And they skew the point. I used to like better the threads that showed pics of the facilities of the big boys and the lamenting of what is wrong with us. Those were fun.


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And there's a lot of space between SU and Oregon, it would be nice to move closer.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Jim Boeheim was discussing recruiting on his show one time and said that by far the biggest factor was the player's relationship with the coaches. I think the next biggest factor is whether we are winning these days and how we look on the field. A 0-56 loss on TV hurts us more than the infrastructure at Manley. The recruits aren't building inspectors.

The joke is really on the schools that built expensive facilities to recruit teenagers when we don't really know how they will turn out until they get here. Their ratings are snapshots of them as they are or appear to be early in their careers. We've never had glamorous facilities, except for the Dome in the early days and we've had many good teams over the years. Those schools with the palaces are not always good and we've beaten a lot of them.

I think facilities make a huge difference. Even the regular students, when they take a tour of the campus, only sees the academic stuff maybe 10 percent of the tour. They see where they're going to be spending most of the time: dorms, dining halls, student unions, etcetera. The athlete is even more focused than that. They want to have the best experience where they going to be spending the majority of their time.

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[Toga]

Not my fight and I tend to side with the facilities need to be upgraded but I question if in reality recruits would have come here if not for our bad facilities. That sounds like something a bitter recruiter would use as an excuse as to why he couldn't close the deal.

Maybe Moore said it.

 

[Bayside44]

Like others, there you go mentioning Oregon. We're never going to be Oregon.

BTW, you need to blame donors and those responsible for getting donors, which includes the HC.


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Compare it to other ACC schools, RU and UConn. Same thing. Just cause the Oregon analogy isn't apt doesnt mean anything positive for us.

 

[rrlbees]

Compare it to other ACC schools, RU and UConn. Same thing. Just cause the Oregon analogy isn't apt doesnt mean anything positive for us.

No, but it would show that we aren't that far behind.


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