Facilities

[anomander]

I didn't say just the med facility. You mentioned the locker room too. I meant in general the $4m upgrade. Which included training room/med facility, lockers, offices, lounge etc.


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I thought that didn't encompass the Dome lockers? I think the renovated Manley lockers look great.

 

[GoSU96]

I didn't say just the med facility. You mentioned the locker room too. I meant in general the $4m upgrade. Which included training room/med facility, lockers, offices, lounge etc.


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The last two rounds of refurb, the sports medicine/training and the football wing did not include anything in the dome.

That work looks good, but again it was the minimum that needed to be done, and the damage in having worn out 20 year old facilities has impacted recruiting. The football wing was very beaten up an antiquated and the training room woefully inadequate. They don't have nearly enough aquatic facilities for 100+ man roster.

 

[rrlbees]

The last two rounds of refurb, the sports medicine/training and the football wing did not include anything in the dome.

That work looks good, but again it was the minimum that needed to be done, and the damage in having worn out 20 year old facilities has impacted recruiting. The football wing was very beaten up an antiquated and the training room woefully inadequate. They don't have nearly enough aquatic facilities for 100+ man roster.

That's true. The $4m was just for the I-P wing. Nothing for the Dome.


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[SWC75]

The last two rounds of refurb, the sports medicine/training and the football wing did not include anything in the dome.

That work looks good, but again it was the minimum that needed to be done, and the damage in having worn out 20 year old facilities has impacted recruiting. The football wing was very beaten up an antiquated and the training room woefully inadequate. They don't have nearly enough aquatic facilities for 100+ man roster.

Athletic facilities seem to age at an alarming rate. How many 20 year old buildings are "very beaten up" or "worn out"? And is the locker room McNabb paid for already unusable?

Hopefully not all 100 players will need to be in the water at the same time.

 

[SWC75]

Here is what we are up against. Sure some of this stuff is current, but you get the idea of what bells and whistles mean

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/college-football-indoor-practice-facilities/

Actually, looking at these photos on the SU Athletics website, I'd say our current IPF looks as good as those. It's not 100 yards but some of those aren't, either and ours is much wider with more space for separate units to practice. Maybe we should have spent the money for the new one on something else?
http://suathletics.syr.edu/facilities/manley.aspx

 

[GoSU96]

Athletic facilities seem to age at an alarming rate. How many 20 year old buildings are "very beaten up" or "worn out"? And is the locker room McNabb paid for already unusable?

Hopefully not all 100 players will need to be in the water at the same time.

Yeah, it's the buildings that are beat up. It's the stuff inside that was the issue. The fixtures, the furniture, the look and feel, the equipment.

Why are you so questioning on this stuff. Here are the facts, by the time Marrone had gotten here was was aged and behind the times had become a disaster. There really isn't any debating it.

The refurbs have taken what was an embarrassment to the point where it is functional and doesn't need to hidden. More needs to be done. The IPF should go a long way to getting the program to an equal footing with it's peers.

 

[anomander]

Actually, looking at these photos on the SU Athletics website, I'd say our current IPF looks as good as those. It's not 100 yards but some of those aren't, either and ours is much wider with more space for separate units to practice. Maybe we should have spent the money for the new one on something else?
http://suathletics.syr.edu/facilities/manley.aspx

While I tend to agree with you that the Manley IPF is more then functional it's just not going to wow recruits. Being inside an old beat up 100 year old building just doesn't sell anyone and that's the main reason for the IPF. It's just a move that needs to be done. Dabo Sweeney has said since the completion of their IPF it is good for 2 or 3 recruits a season.


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[SWC75]

Why are you so questioning on this stuff. Here are the facts, by the time Marrone had gotten here was was aged and behind the times had become a disaster. There really isn't any debating it.

Well, we've done a pretty good job of debating it. As I explained in my original post, I feel that while facilities have an impact, that impact has been somewhat overstated and the problems with our facilities somewhat exaggerated.

 

[SWC75]

While I tend to agree with you that the Manley IPF is more then functional it's just not going to wow recruits. Being inside an old beat up 100 year old building just doesn't sell anyone and that's the main reason for the IPF. It's just a move that needs to be done. Dabo Sweeney has said since the completion of their IPF it is good for 2 or 3 recruits a season.


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A 100 year old building? Still another exaggeration.

 

[anomander]

A 100 year old building? Still another exaggeration.

While that was an exaggeration it might as well be a 100 year old building.

I don't know what you don't get? Our facilities were sub par. After the new IPF is completed we will be middle of the pack. As detailed as everything was you laid out it still didn't prove a thing. If anything it showed just how far behind we were, and still are.


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[GoSU96]

Well, we've done a pretty good job of debating it. As I explained in my original post, I feel that while facilities have an impact, that impact has been somewhat overstated and the problems with our facilities somewhat exaggerated.

The impact is implied by how the condition of the infrastructure was used against SU and SU did lose recruits because of it based on statments made by the previous staff. That impact is evident today in some of the issues on the roster.

And there is no exaggeration about what the problem were and they are now finally being addressed in the last two years.

 

[rrlbees]

The impact is implied by how the condition of the infrastructure was used against SU and SU did lose recruits because of it based on statments made by the previous staff. That impact is evident today in some of the issues on the roster.

And there is no exaggeration about what the problem were and they are now finally being addressed in the last two years.

While we have needed upgrades in facilities, that's just an excuse if we are now saying our roster has issues because of facilities. There may have been a player here or there that placed the facilities at the top of their criteria, but most don't. In fact I have seem more recruits comment positively and say they were wowed by the Dome itself. We are never going to get to the point of anything being a wow factor. The wow factor is reserved for the Oregon's, Tennessee's etc.

The funniest part of these constant facilities threads is that facilities is all about fund raising and donations. Nobody ever goes after that angle. I know some here do, but if you aren't donating money to the athletic department for facilities, then you don't have a complaint.


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[GoSU96]

While we have needed upgrades in facilities, that's just an excuse if we are now saying our roster has issues because of facilities. There may have been a player here or there that placed the facilities at the top of their criteria, but most don't. In fact I have seem more recruits comment positively and say they were wowed by the Dome itself. We are never going to get to the point of anything being a wow factor. The wow factor is reserved for the Oregon's, Tennessee's etc.

The funniest part of these constant facilities threads is that facilities is all about fund raising and donations. Nobody ever goes after that angle. I know some here do, but if you aren't donating money to the athletic department for facilities, then you don't have a complaint.


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Who said wow factor? The idea is to not scare away kids that interested. At least get it to the point where it is a neutral factor.

 

[anomander]

While we have needed upgrades in facilities, that's just an excuse if we are now saying our roster has issues because of facilities. There may have been a player here or there that placed the facilities at the top of their criteria, but most don't. In fact I have seem more recruits comment positively and say they were wowed by the Dome itself. We are never going to get to the point of anything being a wow factor. The wow factor is reserved for the Oregon's, Tennessee's etc.

The funniest part of these constant facilities threads is that facilities is all about fund raising and donations. Nobody ever goes after that angle. I know some here do, but if you aren't donating money to the athletic department for facilities, then you don't have a complaint.


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The point of this exact thread was to prove that our facilities when Marrone got here were not sub par. Where the donations come from to build facilities is a totally different topic.


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[rrlbees]

The point of this exact thread was to prove that our facilities when Marrone got here were not sub par. Where the donations come from to build facilities is a totally different topic.


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A totally different topic that is never addressed here as I said.


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[wfschrec]

A totally different topic that is never addressed here as I said.


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It wasn't the point of the thread and still isn't ... yes donations do make the world go round but the fact is you cannot argue that facilities and infrastructure was where it needed to be for us to truly compete with our peers when Marrone arrived. They are not saying this isn't a donations issue what they are saying is based on what SU had it just wasn't good enough ... the facilities drum has been beaten to death on this board.

 

[anomander]

A totally different topic that is never addressed here as I said.


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It's definitely been brought up plenty of times.

But just for fun what do you feel needs to be done? Do you feel it's something that can't be fixed? Do you feel we are doing our very best to attract donors?


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[rrlbees]

It wasn't the point of the thread and still isn't ... yes donations do make the world go round but the fact is you cannot argue that facilities and infrastructure was where it needed to be for us to truly compete with our peers when Marrone arrived. They are not saying this isn't a donations issue what they are saying is based on what SU had it just wasn't good enough ... the facilities drum has been beaten to death on this board.

No it wasn't the point of the thread. I did address the point first in reply to another post. Then I added my opinion that the elephant in the room doesn't get discussed.


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[rrlbees]

It's definitely been brought up plenty of times.

But just for fun what do you feel needs to be done? Do you feel it's something that can't be fixed? Do you feel we are doing our very best to attract donors?


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Not really that much. At least not in the context of donors. I see a lot of threads complaining about facilities but rarely any about people opening up their wallets and only one I remember that specifically talked about who should be getting the donors.

As to what we should do? Probably start with consulting with JB and his friends of the program on how they got the Melo Center money.


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[anomander]

Not really that much. At least not in the context of donors. I see a lot of threads complaining about facilities but rarely any about people opening up their wallets and only one I remember that specifically talked about who should be getting the donors.

As to what we should do? Probably start with consulting with JB and his friends of the program on how they got the Melo Center money.


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i believe it's Gedneys responsibility right? Or whoever it is I hope there is a plan. I don't think the average fan understands the importance. It just seems like they keep going to the same people every time after time . You might have to spend some money in order to raise some. How many people are responsible for attracting donors? Just not the large ones, but the medium size ones and so forth. People aren't just going to start writing checks out of the blue. The I'm in campaign sounds promising .

As for Shafer a lots going to fall on him. Is he prepared for it? He's probably not very experienced in it? Why did he stop doing the luncheons? We're definitely up against it I just have a feeling the same issues are going to keep popping up and unless we start winning big some how , they aren't going to fix themselves... I know you know this, just speaking in general


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[rrlbees]

i believe it's Gedneys responsibility right? Or whoever it is I hope there is a plan. I don't think the average fan understands the importance. It just seems like they keep going to the same people every time after time . You might have to spend some money in order to raise some. How many people are responsible for attracting donors? Just not the large ones, but the medium size ones and so forth. People aren't just going to start writing checks out of the blue. The I'm in campaign sounds promising .

As for Shafer a lots going to fall on him. Is he prepared for it? He's probably not very experienced in it? Why did he stop doing the luncheons? We're definitely up against it I just have a feeling the same issues are going to keep popping up and unless we start winning big some how , they aren't going to fix themselves... I know you know this, just speaking in general


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I think t is Gedney also. But that's just the one side. Unless you have significant numbers of ready donors, it takes more than that. Potential donors like to be wooed by a JB vs an AD person. As loved as our bball program is, the AD didn't just go out and get the money themselves. It was JB and who I'll call friends of the program that get a lot of credit.


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[Full_Rebar]

Pretty sure that Syracuse won't raise much money if they send the AD out to solicit donors. Isn't that why Floyd was brought onto the staff, or should DG ask Juli B if she'd mind raising the money for the IPF and other facilities?

 

[SWC75]

While we have needed upgrades in facilities, that's just an excuse if we are now saying our roster has issues because of facilities. There may have been a player here or there that placed the facilities at the top of their criteria, but most don't. In fact I have seem more recruits comment positively and say they were wowed by the Dome itself. We are never going to get to the point of anything being a wow factor. The wow factor is reserved for the Oregon's, Tennessee's etc.

The funniest part of these constant facilities threads is that facilities is all about fund raising and donations. Nobody ever goes after that angle. I know some here do, but if you aren't donating money to the athletic department for facilities, then you don't have a complaint.


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Jim Boeheim was discussing recruiting on his show one time and said that by far the biggest factor was the player's relationship with the coaches. I think the next biggest factor is whether we are winning these days and how we look on the field. A 0-56 loss on TV hurts us more than the infrastructure at Manley. The recruits aren't building inspectors.

The joke is really on the schools that built expensive facilities to recruit teenagers when we don't really know how they will turn out until they get here. Their ratings are snapshots of them as they are or appear to be early in their careers. We've never had glamorous facilities, except for the Dome in the early days and we've had many good teams over the years. Those schools with the palaces are not always good and we've beaten a lot of them.

 

[wfschrec]

No it wasn't the point of the thread. I did address the point first in reply to another post. Then I added my opinion that the elephant in the room doesn't get discussed.


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Jim Boeheim was discussing recruiting on his show one time and said that by far the biggest factor was the player's relationship with the coaches. I think the next biggest factor is whether we are winning these days and how we look on the field. A 0-56 loss on TV hurts us more than the infrastructure at Manley. The recruits aren't building inspectors.

The joke is really on the schools that built expensive facilities to recruit teenagers when we don't really know how they will turn out until they get here. Their ratings are snapshots of them as they are or appear to be early in their careers. We've never had glamorous facilities, except for the Dome in the early days and we've had many good teams over the years. Those schools with the palaces are not always good and we've beaten a lot of them.

I think hoops is very different ... you are recruiting literally a class 20% the size of football ... and if you think that when a guy like Malik Brown jumps ship to go to Tennessee because he had a better relationship with Butch Jones than he did Scott Shafer than I have a bridge in Brooklyn that is for sale. Everyone even says how much of an impact the Melo center has had on hoops and their recruiting so I call BS.

 

[SWC75]

I think hoops is very different ... you are recruiting literally a class 20% the size of football ... and if you think that when a guy like Malik Brown jumps ship to go to Tennessee because he had a better relationship with Butch Jones than he did Scott Shafer than I have a bridge in Brooklyn that is for sale. Everyone even says how much of an impact the Melo center has had on hoops and their recruiting so I call BS.

You really think that a recruits relationship with a football coach isn't as important as his relationship with a basketball coach?

By the way, how is Tennessee doing these days?