Fire Autry

[Trueblue25]

I can’t take the program, AD, the University or any trustee seriously who advocates for Autry having the job one more day. I was his biggest supporter but this has been an unmitigated disaster

 

[gmoney44]

With all due respect I don't have the time or patience for a back and forth on whose in charge up on the hill. We all know whose in charge and and that the BOT plays a large role as well.

Ok. Regardless of who is at fault for the current state of SU basketball. They need to get this right with the next hire. No more political BS, Syracuse “guy”, JB guy, BOT coup or any other excuse. Pick the best coach we can possibly get or risk losing a generation of fans like our football team has.

 

[CardiacCuse]

The kids stopped playing, which is very alarming. We wont embarrass and alum and fire him mid-season but that was a disgusting job by Red today. He should be ashamed.

there were a few dips. thats all...just gotta keep it at level 5 and they'll be fine.

 

[sufan59]

I’m sorry, if there wasn’t a mid season back out plan in case we saw the dip that we saw in the 2nd half, what on earth are we doing. Autry is not bigger than the S. Let Dan Englestad coach out the rest of the season and reevaluate at the end of the season.

 

[Cusefan95]

I got you - well said. We can agree that UCONN is doomed.

This isn't the thread for this discussion, but I'm really talking more about a Big East approach, or potentially an ACC & Big East basketball super-conference (after FSU, Miami, and Clemson inevitably leave).

We have a massive problem with that approach. If Syracuse basically gives up on football (which is what this proposal looks like), it’s inevitable administrators are going to look at a giant building in a premium location on campus and start asking “why is this still here, exactly”? Moving basketball to a basketball-sized arena and using that plot of land for something useful would be very, very tempting.

I’m not sure the Big Ten and SEC don’t ultimately split off completely and create their own basketball championship - but that’s admittedly more speculative. I wouldn’t be excited for the future if I was in the Big East though.

 

[ScriptCuse]

Here’s my fun research for the day. Not to be taken too seriously.

Josh Schertz, Indiana State & St Louis - From Brooklyn
422-124
MVC COY
5x Conf Champ
Turned Indiana St from 11-20 to 32-7 in 2 years

Tony Skinn, George Mason
54-21
2x A-10 Champ
A10 COY
10-Year Pro
From DMV


Brian Wardle, Bradley
15 years as HC
276-210
4x Conf Champ
2x COY


Takayo Siddle, UNC Wilmington
104-47
2x CAA Champ
CAA COY
4-Straight 20+ Wins

Chris Gerlufsen, San Francisco
69-35
From Philly
Todd Golden’s Top Asst

Bryan Hodgson, South Florida
Just took USF job
48-29
Sun Belt Champ
From NY
Nate Oats top Asst & Recruiter at Buffalo/Alabama

Dan Earl, Chattanooga
141-177
But 68-38 at Chattanooga
2x SoCon COY
NIT Champions
SoCon Champ
From Jersey

Preston Sadlin, JMU
161-121
2x Tourney @ Morehead
Director of OPs at Kentucky
5x Conf Champ
2x OVC COY
4-Straight 20-Win Seasons

Kimani Young, UConn
AHC since 2020
From Queens

Matt Langel, Colgate
243-207
5x Patriot League Champs
5x Patriot League COY
5x Tourney
5x 24+ Wins

Anthony Grant, Dayton
366-193
Dayton, Alabama, VCU
4x Tourney
6/7 22+ Wins at Dayton
Worked for OKC
Naismith National COY
AP COY
2x Conference COY
5x conference champion

Bob Richey, Furman
184-84
2x Tourney
6x 23+ Wins
2x conference champ


Power 5’s

Ben McCollum, Iowa
Richard Pitino, Xavier
Chris Jans, Mississippi State
Shaka Smart, Marquette

 

[JeremyCuse]

Ok. Regardless of who is at fault for the current state of SU basketball. They need to get this right with the next hire. No more political BS, Syracuse “guy”, JB guy, BOT coup or any other excuse. Pick the best coach we can possibly get or risk losing a generation of fans like our football team has

I don't disagree, assuming the season plays out as we expect this is the absolutely enormous hire. SU needs to go outside the family and alumni and really hit a homerun. Need to take their time and find the right fit and ensure they have the financial support needed.

 

[nocohalo]

I just do not get the psychotic obsession programs have with "staying within the family". It's like they think all of the history ceases to exist because it's someone without a direct connection. The powers that be are not dumb people, why do they get brain rot over this?

 

[newmexicuse]

This tournament was my first look at this years squad. I am shocked at how the team got worse and worse as the tournament progressed.

I thought, based upon the reviews, that we were getting a couple of plus players from the portal in Kingz and George. I am just shocked at how soft these guys play. George had SEVEN TOs many on telegraphed marshmallow passes.

 

[im4cuse]

There’s a lot of coaches doing more with less out there right now that would be good hires.
Josh Schertz at SLU, Tony skinn at Mason, Jerrod Calhoun at Utah state, Chris Gerlufsen at San Fran would all be good here.

I live in NoVa. Love Tony Skinn they just extended him to 2030. Has experience in Big 10 Big East and now wins 70% at Mason. Team Takeover and DMV lifer.

 

[baggerbob]

I live in NoVa. Love Tony Skinn they just extended him to 2030. Has experience in Big 10 Big East and now wins 70% at Mason. Team Takeover and DMV lifer.

Amazing the first 3 games without JJ starting we blow 3 teams out. JJ comes back and starts win a close game, then lose a close game, then lose by ten then we get blown out. Maybe it's time to sit some people on the bench.

 

[Ottoman]

We have a massive problem with that approach. If Syracuse basically gives up on football (which is what this proposal looks like), it’s inevitable administrators are going to look at a giant building in a premium location on campus and start asking “why is this still here, exactly”? Moving basketball to a basketball-sized arena and using that plot of land for something useful would be very, very tempting.

I’m not sure the Big Ten and SEC don’t ultimately split off completely and create their own basketball championship - but that’s admittedly more speculative. I wouldn’t be excited for the future if I was in the Big East though.

Solid points. I don't think there is an ideal solution; I just know that we are getting priced out of football and it will continue. Maybe it will get worked out when the football powers separate from everyone else (but the funding will go with them). All I know is that Cuse basketball belongs under the lights in Madison Square Garden, and I like our chances if we focus our efforts there. I love Cuse football and wish things were different.

 

[ar inj]

Too bad we are a year late tons of good coaches got hired last year :-(

And tons will get hired this year

 

[CardiacCuse]

reds presser was a disaster. He just talks in generalities and platitudes - he rarely mentioned the offense and just said our issue was Effort

what do you expect?

hes just trying to milk this cow as long as he can...and saying nothing is the best way to do that

ask yourself this: how bad do you think it would have to get for red to resign? i dont think there is a scenario where that would ever happen.

i genuinely believe that if red was allowed to coach in perpetuity...losing 20 games a season for the rest of his life, he would take that "challenge" and give it his best "effort"...same as JB at the end, too...

its just too fun and exciting to be HC of SU bball to ever say no

plus the money is pretty good too...do you think red will ever have another job paying him anywhere close to what he is getting right now?

 

[Sherman20]

Just hire the dude an hour down the road that we are now too scared to schedule because his Patriot League team won't stop making us look silly

Big no to Langel. You can find guys who are proven at a higher level just below the P5.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I just do not get the psychotic obsession programs have with "staying within the family". It's like they think all of the history ceases to exist because it's someone without a direct connection. The powers that be are not dumb people, why do they get brain rot over this?

isnt nepotism and hiring through personal connections the main way everyone gets hired across the USA these days????!?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What's wild is we made a continuity hire and we appear to possibly be getting continuity.

Problem is, we weren't starting from a good place or one trending up.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Big no to Langel. You can find guys who are proven at a higher level just below the P5.

personally, dont give af if the next coach is "proven" or not...just has to have the goods...and that can be anyone, regardless of resume

 

[RedtheGOB]

I’ll never stop supporting Syracuse athletics, but I just really think we need change before Syracuse is ever good again

Same. I’m basically watching to see William Kyle make all ACC. Only player that hasn’t quit this year yet and I think is deserving to wear orange right now.

Dude went 3 games in a row just getting double triple teamed by the best bigs in the league. Battled and fought while his teammates hoisted terrible 3’s and expected him to go get them. And even made his free throws today 5-8 which is better than the rest of the guards.

 

[RedtheGOB]

What's wild is we made a continuity hire and we appear to possibly be getting continuity.

Problem is, we weren't starting from a good place or one trending up.

It’s 101 in the corporate textbook. Make no mistake Syracuse cares more about the $’s than anything else.

Then when they fail miserably he’s a cheap scapegoat and the people that hired him that were actually at fault putting him in the seat get to continue on up the ladder.

Happened where I work.

 

[baggerbob]

Same. I’m basically watching to see William Kyle make all ACC. Only player that hasn’t quit this year yet and I think is deserving to wear orange right now.

Dude went 3 games in a row just getting double triple teamed by the best bigs in the league. Battled and fought while his teammates hoisted terrible 3’s and expected him to go get them. And even made his free throws today 5-8 which is better than the rest of the guards.

Actually our women's Coach would probably do a better job then any of our men's coaches for basketball.

 

[Trueblue25]

The program honestly resembles social media to me lately where I keep coming back to it but im berated by bad news and disappointment. Im worn out. Will never stop watching or attending but it truly feels like a chore or bad habit at this point

 

[hoopsupstate]

According to that one report, Hodgson is expecting it too.

Hodgson has proved nothing. Too big a risk.

 

[hoopsupstate]

We have a massive problem with that approach. If Syracuse basically gives up on football (which is what this proposal looks like), it’s inevitable administrators are going to look at a giant building in a premium location on campus and start asking “why is this still here, exactly”? Moving basketball to a basketball-sized arena and using that plot of land for something useful would be very, very tempting.

I’m not sure the Big Ten and SEC don’t ultimately split off completely and create their own basketball championship - but that’s admittedly more speculative. I wouldn’t be excited for the future if I was in the Big East though.

Not after they just spent over $200 million renovating it.

 

[Comstock44]

Red and the team need to spend more time in the gym and less time with their documentaries and endorsements.

In the meantime, we need to figure out how much it will take to get Pitino away from St. John's.