Fire Autry

[Hopkins16]

I’m not upset by the 3 losses bag use looking at the schedule when it was released, I fully expected losses against Houston and Kansas. Once I knew we were playing Iowa State, that too went into the loss column.

Yes, Red should have done a better coaching job against Kansas and Iowa to better our chances, but ultimately, those are much better teams and we were without our best player Freeman.

At this point, Red must learn from these losses and put us in a better position to win the upcoming ACC games that we should win and pull off some upsets to get us into the tournament.

For now, I’m optimistic that the ship will be steered in the right direction. If this doesn’t happen, then he should be handed his walking papers in the Spring as most of us thought before the season started.

 

[Sherman20]

It's mind numbing really. We're not complaining about little things here. Maybe we can't be a top 15 team every year like we used to be because of money but we haven't even sniffed the tournament in years, let alone the top 25. And the sheer number of blowout losses is outrageous.

Agreed. But we can all blame JB for hanging on too long past his prime and the administration for putting up with diminishing returns.

 

[Scooch]

You’re taking a weird line on this whole topic. Syracuse is at a disadvantage compared to the vast majority of D1 basketball and football schools. First, being a small private school. Second, being located in a relatively small, poor/economic depressed region. Three, approximately not generating an overly wealthy alumni network that desires to invest in the success of Syracuse athletics. Not sure what to tell you, but those are significant factors to overcome.

They could always drop football (they won’t) and focus on basketball only. If you have less resources you can concentrate those resources to achieve a better outcome. I don’t think that will happen because they want to be part of a P4 conference to collect football revenue.

Syracuse will always be a small cap team amongst large cap teams.

Can't agree with this. Not for basketball.

SU isn't "small". Enrollment is over 20,000, including undergrad and grad students.

While CNY certainly has its economic challenges, the larger alumni base is scattered throughout some of the wealthiest regions of the country.

Plus, "not generating an overly wealthy alumni network that desires to invest in the success of Syracuse athletics." really isn't true. There are a ton of wealthy SU grads, and connected locals, who (A) contribute greatly to the program and (b) might contribute if SU could ever get its fundraising act together. Wildhack has made strides but it's still below average.

You're also ignoring that we have among the most attended venues in the sport (even during this decade of relative futility), sell a lot of merch, and are among the better rated schools on TV.

I'm willing to give SU a LOT of latitude when it comes to football. THERE we have a ton on institutional disadvantages.

But not for hoops. No way. SU has all the resources necessary to be a national power, as it once was. If they don't deploy those resources appropriately that's on the administration. But the components are there.

 

[Scooch]

Agreed. Money wasn’t a problem in the offseason. Now that we have lost 3 games people revert to the same discussions as last year.

It should be of note that we passed on players that are performing elsewhere this season. I’m not saying they would have performed here, but we certainly are not getting close to the most we can out of the basketball program.

Bingo. All that stuff was fixed, we were told. NIL budgets were increased tremendously. S&C was upgraded. Etc.

Up until a week ago everyone seemed to agree the talent on this team was more than enough to determine if Red was a good coach. Lose a few games and suddenly we're getting the same "we're a small, poor school" stuff we heard last year.

 

[Scooch]

Agreed. But we can all blame JB for hanging on too long past his prime and the administration for putting up with diminishing returns.

JB should have been nudged out after the 2016 Final 4. Period, end of story. But he had the Board in his hip pocket.

 

[Surfan06001]

Up until a week ago everyone seemed to agree the talent on this team was more than enough to determine if Red was a good coach.

It absolutely is. This is a tournament roster

 

[ar inj]

JB should have been nudged out after the 2016 Final 4. Period, end of story. But he had the Board in his hip pocket.

He should have been let go at the time of his second probation.

 

[baggerbob]

Bingo. All that stuff was fixed, we were told. NIL budgets were increased tremendously. S&C was upgraded. Etc.

Up until a week ago everyone seemed to agree the talent on this team was more than enough to determine if Red was a good coach. Lose a few games and suddenly we're getting the same "we're a small, poor school" stuff we heard last year.

No I blame Red, and JJ is a problem whether people want to admit it or not.
For the 3 years he has been here he hasn't shown any leadership. As a Senior what happened the 2nd half against Iowa St, shows he isn't a leader. It also shows that it's past time to start limiting his minutes.

 

[Bayside44]

No I blame Red, and JJ is a problem whether people want to admit it or not.
For the 3 years he has been here he hasn't shown any leadership. As a Senior what happened the 2nd half against Iowa St, shows he isn't a leader. It also shows that it's past time to start limiting his minutes.

He's playing 10 minutes less than he has the last 2 seasons and 5 minutes less than he did at ND.

After watching Kiyan against higher competition, not sure we want much less than that.

 

[JaySU22]

The sooner the change the better. What is Thibs doing these days?

How does Red not bring in an experienced assistant to guide him. How did he not learn any modern offensive schemes. Insanity.

 

[Briancuse]

The sooner the change the better. What is Thibs doing these days?

How does Red not bring in an experienced assistant to guide him. How did he not learn any modern offensive schemes. Insanity.

Sitting back collecting a check hoping that Mike Brown crashes and burns.

 

[Cusefan95]

JB should have been nudged out after the 2016 Final 4. Period, end of story. But he had the Board in his hip pocket.

I’ve wondered if JB was bitter for some reason and decided to burn the program to the ground thinking it would preserve his legacy forever, or if he was delusional to the point of possibly being insane and thought that given time he or Red could right the ship.

He absolutely deserves a lot of credit for building Syracuse basketball - but he should get the lion’s share of the blame for destroying the program, too. Instead of Frank McGuire at UNC, we had Ray Meyer at DePaul.

 

[NineOneSeven]

This has been very simple for me, and hopefully for the people in charge (which it sounds like it is).

Make the ncaa tournament or you’re fired. I also think that’s more than fair given everything about this arrangement the last 2+ years.

Unlike last year this is a roster with plenty of talent more than capable of winning 20+ games including ones that matter. And I expect to.

If it doesn’t happen, I put the majority of the blame on the coaching staff. That’s the job. This is the highest level of college basketball.

Enough with the excuses. Win games that matter!

 

[elimunelson]

Bingo. All that stuff was fixed, we were told. NIL budgets were increased tremendously. S&C was upgraded. Etc.

Up until a week ago everyone seemed to agree the talent on this team was more than enough to determine if Red was a good coach. Lose a few games and suddenly we're getting the same "we're a small, poor school" stuff we heard last year.

ZERO excuses for the hc. This is Syracuse basketball. You cut the head off before the body gets infected.

We don’t want this to become Georgetown. Enough resources to pivot and find a real hc

Red was never the right pick. It was the easy pick. Wildhack made a mistake. I know his hands are tied but the school needs to untie his hands and let him be courageous w this hire when red is fired

 

[atlanticuse]

This has been very simple for me, and hopefully for the people in charge (which it sounds like it is).

Make the ncaa tournament or you’re fired. I also think that’s more than fair given everything about this arrangement the last 2+ years.

Unlike last year this is a roster with plenty of talent more than capable of winning 20+ games including ones that matter. And I expect to.

If it doesn’t happen, I put the majority of the blame on the coaching staff. That’s the job. This is the highest level of college basketball.

Enough with the excuses. Win games that matter!

We’re 4-3, ranked KenPom 69, in an ACC projected to have 5 bids.

“Make the tournament” is unlikely.

 

[elimunelson]

We’re 4-3, ranked KenPom 69, in an ACC projected to have 5 bids.

“Make the tournament” is unlikely.

Probably need what 13-14 wins in ACC?

 

[NineOneSeven]

We’re 4-3, ranked KenPom 69, in an ACC projected to have 5 bids.

“Make the tournament” is unlikely.

Nice

 

[Cuse1055]

This has been very simple for me, and hopefully for the people in charge (which it sounds like it is).

Make the ncaa tournament or you’re fired. I also think that’s more than fair given everything about this arrangement the last 2+ years.

Unlike last year this is a roster with plenty of talent more than capable of winning 20+ games including ones that matter. And I expect to.

If it doesn’t happen, I put the majority of the blame on the coaching staff. That’s the job. This is the highest level of college basketball.

Enough with the excuses. Win games that matter!

Exactly. For a program like Syracuse not making the NCAA tournament 5 years in a row (3 with Autry as HC) is completely inexcusable.
Not to mention in that time we have had 2 losing seasons (1 with Boeheim and 1 with Autry). That’s unheard of for Syracuse basketball.

 

[Scooch]

He's playing 10 minutes less than he has the last 2 seasons and 5 minutes less than he did at ND.

After watching Kiyan against higher competition, not sure we want much less than that.

His minutes per game is being heavily skewed down by the 3 minutes he played vs Binghamton before he got hurt.

In his 4 games back he’s averaging 30 MPG, which is about 4 minutes lower than his prior 2 seasons at SU. He played 31 vs Houston and 33 vs Kansas, which is probably what he’ll get against Tennessee and the higher caliber ACC opponents.

That all aside, JJ’s minutes is far from the biggest issue with this team.

 

[atlanticuse]

Nice

6-7

 

[OCESIP]

Probably need what 13-14 wins in ACC?

Too many toss up games with opponents with same level of talent. 9 wins looks probable, but any more than that will require some luck and 100% effort.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Red was never the right pick. It was the easy pick. Wildhack made a mistake. I know his hands are tied but the school needs to untie his hands and let him be courageous w this hire when red is fired

Can we just please stop saying this? It's not accurate, as explained on here about thirty gazillion times.

 

[Ozone!]

Jason Hart was 19-59 as a head coach in the G-League. I would take him as an assistant and nothing more.

Not promoting Jason, just pointing out the inaccuracy that he had no Head Coach experience and tha he was a good recruiter!

 

[FloridaCuse]

He should have been let go at the time of his second probation.

Instead it reportedly happened because some thought there might have been a chance at a third one.

 

[Bayside44]

He should have been let go at the time of his second probation.

People throw this stuff around without really knowing anything about either probation.