Fire Autry

[Cuse_NYC]

the noise is getting to him and its getting to the players too and its eroding what they are trying to accomplish

i know everyone just acts like they can say anything or whatever and it shouldnt affect the team but it does

im not saying people cant say what they want but a lot of the stuff onnline is very aggressive and mean...way beyond level 5, imo

the players and coaches want to be adored by the fans they are doing it for the love and respect etc...and they are trying...and to not get that makes it hard and erodes motivation imo...and thats why you saw the performance as it was vs mercyherst imo...its just basic psychology

the noise is getting to him and its getting to the players too and its eroding what they are trying to accomplish

i know everyone just acts like they can say anything or whatever and it shouldnt affect the team but it does

im not saying people cant say what they want but a lot of the stuff onnline is very aggressive and mean...way beyond level 5, imo

the players and coaches want to be adored by the fans they are doing it for the love and respect etc...and they are trying...and to not get that makes it hard and erodes motivation imo...and thats why you saw the performance as it was vs mercyherst imo...its just basic psychology

IMO the players aren’t receiving any different criticism than they have for what, the last 10 years? The coach on the other hand is. In the nicest way possible, I just don’t think he’s a bright guy. So this is all way over his head. And without an asst that can do the actual coaching for him, he’s in a bad spot. With that being said, he’s getting paid real money to coach this team and bring us back to the tournament. And he is not doing so. So the not so fond comments are going to be there.

 

[sufan59]

the noise is getting to him and its getting to the players too and its eroding what they are trying to accomplish

i know everyone just acts like they can say anything or whatever and it shouldnt affect the team but it does

im not saying people cant say what they want but a lot of the stuff onnline is very aggressive and mean...way beyond level 5, imo

the players and coaches want to be adored by the fans they are doing it for the love and respect etc...and they are trying...and to not get that makes it hard and erodes motivation imo...and thats why you saw the performance as it was vs mercyherst imo...its just basic psychology

I haven't seen anything that really goes over the line, though I'm sure its out there somewhere. I think everyone knew after our worst season in 40+ years that things would be very high pressured coming into this season once it was granted. Especially since the previous four seasons were non tournament seasons. I think people need to leave the players out of their criticism for the most part (btw something even the most patient with Autry kind of fall into the trap of doing in order to deflect blame from the coaching staff, weird). The players are paid now, but it's for their talents, especially at the college level responsibility needs to be upon the coaches to motivate the players to bring it everyday and put them into positions to succeed. As for the coaches, while I very much disagree with Autry's press conference especially where he said the offense is not the problem. I'm starting to think that it's maybe a good thing for him to start being very assertive in media appearances about standing behind his philosophies and methods. If this is how he is able to communicate toughness and gets the team to fully execute his way, I'm all for it. I hope I'm very wrong on what I think the results will end up being if they don't adjust on offensive philosophy. Maybe they do in silence and we will notice it soon. I really like this roster and the character of the players he is bringing into this program (even last season despite being one of the lesser talented teams in decades). The team needs to get closer with all the noise, the coach needs to take control of the situation, and have them play with scrappiness all the time.

 

[CardiacCuse]

This team is pressing big time. They can’t ignore all the negative noise coming out about the coach and the team. You can tell Red is trying to isolate them a little, but they hear it. It’s time the Fire Red posts go away. It serves no purpose other than to make some fans feel better about themselves. Whatever happens will take place when the season is over. The constant harping is annoying and mean spirited.

i agree...i mean i now no ones gonna listen to me about this but we can call out specific suggestions or weaknesses from a bball side...but we're stuck with the team we have and these guys are giving it their all and we might as well just support them and bring out the pitchforks at the end of the year if thats what ends up happening, imo

what is all the vitriol really accomplishing?

its undermining the team and causing them to become less confident, less secure and its not helping them

yeah theres a lot to look at and say whats going on...but ...idk...theres still the majority of the season to play...so lets just let it play out

 

[CardiacCuse]

IMO the players aren’t receiving any different criticism than they have for what, the last 10 years? The coach on the other hand is. In the nicest way possible, I just don’t think he’s a bright guy. So this is all way over his head. And without an asst that can do the actual coaching for him, he’s in a bad spot. With that being said, he’s getting paid real money to coach this team and bring us back to the tournament. And he is not doing so. So the not so fond comments are going to be there.

yeah im just saying the effect of the comments IS INDEED detrimental...so...what are we really doing watching and cheering on the team if thats what we're giving them?

personally, Im just going to give him and the team until the season is over to assess if and what should be done bc thats the earliest its going to happen anyway!

but im with you...i dont really disagree with many of the critical comments i read online...

 

[elimunelson]

What’s to be gained by firing him now? Besides the dopamine hit some folks will get.

The expectation is that we make the tourney this season. Hard to achieve that if you fire the coach of a 7-4 team coming off a win.

This isn’t about “feelings”. It’s about letting a coach try to achieve the performance criteria that was laid out to him by his boss. We’re not even half way through the season and haven’t played a single conference game.

Look, I don’t think Autry is a good coach. I can’t see how he gets this team to the tourney. But it’s fine to let this thing play out another 3 months.

Three months.

I keep hearing we have top 20 talent. It isn’t dopamine if there’s a coach on the bench who could get more out of this team

It happens in football all the time, happens in the nba (Celtics canned pitino and then improved!)

I don’t think this is GERG like talent.

We need to remember someone paid for this talent. To merely flush it is something I’m not for. This is quasi pro now.

I am old enough to remember Steve fisher taking over Michigan and winning. Diff scenario but it doesn’t mean new blood can’t instill some energy into the current situation

Waiting is on brand for SU. We need to be proactive here.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I agree. It literally makes no sense. Who would you even have take over mid-season.

let a random season ticket holder get to be coach for a game? That would get me to tune in.

 

[Rage4CUSE]

Brent Axe’s podcast around 26 minute mark. Syracuse Orange on YouTube has a clip but looks like they edited that part out…

God damn... what kind of a leader is Adrian Autry, literally for real.

This is why it was a terrible idea hiring Adrian Autry straight out of the gate without him proving himself capable of HOLDING MEN ACCOUNTABLE at a lower level in Men's College Basketball. Terrible...

Like I don't get it, it can't be that hard to hold them accountable now that they are getting paid money above board to do this. This is basically a professional job now from them as much as it is for you Mr. Autry, and you're going to lose your professional job because you can't or seem to not want to light any fire under these kids. Just throwing temper tantrums on the sideline and yelling isn't holding anybody accountable for anything.

 

[Newhouser]

Not that it really matters, but he was 35-29 his first two years. Those teams did play very hard, but they couldn’t score at all. I remember them grumbling when they lost in year 3 in the first round to Maryland scoring like 50 points. It was after that season in 2021 they hired Murray to install an offense. That’s when he really took off.

Did he and Murray have a prior coaching connection? I admire that Hurley recognized he needed help and got someone. I know some coaches who are too proud and stubborn to admit that outside voices can be a good thing.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Did he and Murray have a prior coaching connection? I admire that Hurley recognized he needed help and got someone. I know some coaches who are too proud and stubborn to admit that outside voices can be a good thing.

He was an assistant for Hurley’s early RI teams before Chris Mack hired him away to Xavier.

 

[Scooch]

I keep hearing we have top 20 talent. It isn’t dopamine if there’s a coach on the bench who could get more out of this team

It happens in football all the time, happens in the nba (Celtics canned pitino and then improved!)

I don’t think this is GERG like talent.

We need to remember someone paid for this talent. To merely flush it is something I’m not for. This is quasi pro now.

I am old enough to remember Steve fisher taking over Michigan and winning. Diff scenario but it doesn’t mean new blood can’t instill some energy into the current situation

Waiting is on brand for SU. We need to be proactive here.

I don't see it. The VAST majority of the time when a coach is fired in-season the team then proceeds to limp along to a lousy finish.

The players love Red. This isn't a case of there being dissention in the ranks and a new voice being welcomed. Fire Red and I bet at least a couple of our rotational guys announce they're hitting the portal and shut down their season. Certainly no way Freeman comes back. Why risk injury and future earnings?

We're 7-4 and haven't so much as played one of our 18 ACC games yet. The expectation is that we make the tourney or he's gone. I don't see any reason to not let that play out. Like I said, it's 3 months.

The people funding NIL know the deal. And I bet none of them want Red fired now.

 

[Scooch]

Not that it really matters, but he was 35-29 his first two years. Those teams did play very hard, but they couldn’t score at all. I remember them grumbling when they lost in year 3 in the first round to Maryland scoring like 50 points. It was after that season in 2021 they hired Murray to install an offense. That’s when he really took off.

This is what great coaches do. They recognize their own shortcomings and hire staff that can augment that.

There are a slew of Hall of Fame coaches who had an assistant stapled to their side for much of their career.

I keep reiterating that, IMHO, Red's biggest weakness is in program management. He botched fundraising and roster construction. And he seems to have botched building out his staff. I mean, he turned down hiring another assistant. Who does that in college sports in 2025?

 

[RedtheGOB]

I don't see it. The VAST majority of the time when a coach is fired in-season the team then proceeds to limp along to a lousy finish.

The players love Red. This isn't a case of there being dissention in the ranks and a new voice being welcomed. Fire Red and I bet at least a couple of our rotational guys announce they're hitting the portal and shut down their season. Certainly no way Freeman comes back. Why risk injury and future earnings?

We're 7-4 and haven't so much as played one of our 18 ACC games yet. The expectation is that we make the tourney or he's gone. I don't see any reason to not let that play out. Like I said, it's 3 months.

The people funding NIL know the deal. And I bet none of them want Red fired now.

Yea I thought after Tennessee it was 0% chance of a midseason crash and burn for Autry. Now it's maybe 2%.

IF we drop a NorthEast/Stonehill maybe it's still only 10%. I just think that if this team just starts stacking losses against Q3 and Q4 squads that the % goes up each loss. Very unlikely but after 3 bad games in a row it's not 0% I don't think.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

Yea I thought after Tennessee it was 0% chance of a midseason crash and burn for Autry. Now it's maybe 2%.

IF we drop a NorthEast/Stonehill maybe it's still only 10%. I just think that if this team just starts stacking losses against Q3 and Q4 squads that the % goes up each loss. Very unlikely but after 3 bad games in a row it's not 0% I don't think.

I’d imagine a stonehill loss could be instant termination. That would be a low that no one thought possible.

 

[tptcuse]

I don't see it. The VAST majority of the time when a coach is fired in-season the team then proceeds to limp along to a lousy finish.

The players love Red. This isn't a case of there being dissention in the ranks and a new voice being welcomed. Fire Red and I bet at least a couple of our rotational guys announce they're hitting the portal and shut down their season. Certainly no way Freeman comes back. Why risk injury and future earnings?

We're 7-4 and haven't so much as played one of our 18 ACC games yet. The expectation is that we make the tourney or he's gone. I don't see any reason to not let that play out. Like I said, it's 3 months.

The people funding NIL know the deal. And I bet none of them want Red fired now.

So many good points in your post.

We’re one loss worse than what I expected. The problem is that one loss was to Hofstra which literally seemed like a laughable possibility after we finalized the players we were bringing in.

It is very early to do something as harsh as firing mid-season. It would be much too reactive at this point because it would be basically in response to one loss. We still have plenty of hope because of the roster but things need to click immediately.

 

[elimunelson]

So many good points in your post.

We’re one loss worse than what I expected. The problem is that one loss was to Hofstra which literally seemed like a laughable possibility after we finalized the players we were bringing in.

It is very early to do something as harsh as firing mid-season. It would be much too reactive at this point because it would be basically in response to one loss. We still have plenty of hope because of the roster but things need to click immediately.

I get the counter. My counter to the counter is we will lose to some other jobber again based on what I see and everyone will be on board then.

I just don’t care who leaves at this point. They all will leave anyway end of season if it’s not their guy.

I’ll eat 100% crow if we make the tourney on the backs of impressive coaching.

 

[TommyA13]

And this thread will be active in 3…2…1…

 

[Blanko97]

Defense sucks again, just goes to show red is the undefeated champion of down leveling his players

 

[sdhall01]

And this thread will be active in 3…2…1…

 

[TheHaze315]

This performance has zero to do with Red, Northeastern is a sleeping giant that just got off to a slow start…That’s along the lines of what I’m waiting to see posted.

 

[TommyA13]

This performance has zero to do with Red, Northeastern is a sleeping giant that just got off to a slow start…That’s along the lines of what I’m waiting to see posted.

I was going to go off on you until I read the last sentence

 

[bballbeadle]

Free throws won us the game. So that’s a thing.

 

[TommyA13]

Free throws won us the game. So that’s a thing.

That and Nait George having his best game of the season. We lose this one if both of these things don’t happen, and that’s sickening to realize.

 

[Cappy3]

That and Nait George having his best game of the season. We lose this one if both of these things don’t happen, and that’s sickening to realize.

Simply embarrassing the level we’ve sunk to.

 

[Orangezoo]

Such a shame Red is good people and this is a team full of good kids and some serious athleticism and talent. The coaching chops and tenacity needed are not there. Honestly it’s like we have the most athletic roster of choir boys in the country out there with everyone’s favorite camp counselors leading from the bench.

 

[Cusefan95]

I’m not going to judge anyone’s parenting here. At the same time, a team doesn’t need to be a perennial final 4 contender to make it a family activity.

It’s a bummer that SU has been mediocre for a decade. It’s was avoidable, and tough decisions needed to be made in the wake of our second probation.

But if you needed the team to be great to use it as a bond, let me suggest that the kids were never going to be into it anyway.

Generally your takes are pretty reasonable, so I’m pretty surprised you’d go so far out of your way to make a disgusting post like this actively strawmanning what people are saying.

What’s closer reality is there’s about eighteen billion things in the world more enjoyable than going to a Syracuse basketball game right now - including watching the janitor at Starbucks mopping the floor while drinking hot chocolate. The problem isn’t that parents needed Syracuse basketball as a bonding experience - it’s that there was always a load of other options available for people to move on to if Syracuse fell down the list of options. It’s now fallen so far down the list it’s not even on it anymore for a lot of people. Personally I’m very capable of having a great time taking my kids skiing or ice skating while simultaneously being disappointed something I used to enjoy a lot isn’t a realistic option anymore. But I also know going to Syracuse basketball games would still be a viable option if the team was regularly making the NCAA tournament - and part of that is I’ve got no interest in this garbage anymore myself.

You may want to claim you don’t to judge anyone’s parenting (although you then proceeded to do so anyway) - but I’m more than willing to judge this take of yours. It’s vile and judgmental and based on misrepresenting what people are saying - do better.