For those are already to move on from Red

[richmondcuse03]

Our hoops NIL is about $2-3M annually. Closer to the 2. Really need it over $3M to be where it’d make our fan base happy to match the expectations on who we can get.

SEC and BIG teams can allocate north of 5M easily because of TV money. Other schools like Nova and UConn aren’t funding football like we are, and push most of their $ to hoops.

if you took our top 3 FB NIL deals, they’d probably be equal to what we spend on hoops.

I also believe unquestionably that Fran brought revenue sources with him that few coaches could bring. You don't have the kind of recruiting success that Fran has had purely by being a great guy.

Our FB boosters didn’t suddenly write the kind of checks that were required to lure the players and coaches we got in the past 12 months.

I know some football booster checks were written solely because of FB. Not all but there are some.

 

[Jake]

I know some football booster checks were written solely because of FB. Not all but there are some.

I’m sure they are many. But not enough to balance the sheet.

 

[phil77]

Our hoops NIL is about $2-3M annually. Closer to the 2. Really need it over $3M to be where it’d make our fan base happy to match the expectations on who we can get.

SEC and BIG teams can allocate north of 5M easily because of TV money. Other schools like Nova and UConn aren’t funding football like we are, and push most of their $ to hoops.

if you took our top 3 FB NIL deals, they’d probably be equal to what we spend on hoops.

I also believe unquestionably that Fran brought revenue sources with him that few coaches could bring. You don't have the kind of recruiting success that Fran has had purely by being a great guy.

Our FB boosters didn’t suddenly write the kind of checks that were required to lure the players and coaches we got in the past 12 months.

This is awesome information thank you. If you had to guess where that would rank with ACC and BIG 12 schools I assume below UNC and Duke. It comes down to how we identify talent and how we spend that money compared to others.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I’m sure they are many. But not enough to balance the sheet.

Our FB nil budget wasn’t that much more than basketball was this past year. Fran has done miracles with convincing guys to take less to play for him. To be fair it seems like red has too. We’re operating behind a lot of programs right now on both fronts.

 

[Jake]

This is awesome information thank you. If you had to guess where that would rank with ACC and BIG 12 schools I assume below UNC and Duke. It comes down to how we identify talent and how we spend that money compared to others.

We can’t make the mistakes Duke can. Scheyer couldn’t function in our budgetary situation. There’s reason we didn’t match what he paid for Maliq.

 

[richmondcuse03]

We can’t make the mistakes Duke can. Scheyer couldn’t function in our budgetary situation. There’s reason we didn’t match what he paid for Maliq.

This is the most important thing. You can’t have misses with our budget.

 

[cardiac]

Our hoops NIL is about $2-3M annually. Closer to the 2. Really need it over $3M to be where it’d make our fan base happy to match the expectations on who we can get.

SEC and BIG teams can allocate north of 5M easily because of TV money. Other schools like Nova and UConn aren’t funding football like we are, and push most of their $ to hoops.

if you took our top 3 FB NIL deals, they’d probably be equal to what we spend on hoops.

I also believe unquestionably that Fran brought revenue sources with him that few coaches could bring. You don't have the kind of recruiting success that Fran has had purely by being a great guy.

Our FB boosters didn’t suddenly write the kind of checks that were required to lure the players and coaches we got in the past 12 months.

That shouldn't be a problem next year if we're playing in the 1 million NIL tourney and with Melo helping with NIL?

 

[Cusefan0307]

This is the most important thing. You can’t have misses with our budget.

Pretty sure Fran has “friends of fran”.

 

[phil77]

We can’t make the mistakes Duke can. Scheyer couldn’t function in our budgetary situation. There’s reason we didn’t match what he paid for Maliq.

Yup this I agree with and I think we missed this offseason on what the team actually needs. If we reversed spending and put what we spent on Eddie on an actual PG and what we spent on Carlos towards a normal defensive rim runner type center we would have been better off.

And if we are on a strict budget might have been worth examining if we needed both JJ and Bell back. They seem redundant both focused on offense and no real defense.

 

[Jake]

Our FB nil budget wasn’t that much more than basketball was this past year. Fran has done miracles with convincing guys to take less to play for him. To be fair it seems like red has too. We’re operating behind a lot of programs right now on both fronts.

I hear what you’re saying….

 

[Jake]

Pretty sure Fran has “friends of fran”.

Non NIL revenue streams…

 

[Scooch]

We can’t make the mistakes Duke can. Scheyer couldn’t function in our budgetary situation. There’s reason we didn’t match what he paid for Maliq.

This is the most important thing. You can’t have misses with our budget.

For years I’ve said that SU is the equivalent of a small market team in pro sports.

Now that college sports *are* pro sports we literally are a small market team.

It’s not that small market teams can’t compete. We see them do it every year. It’s that they don’t have the resources to mitigate mistakes that the large market teams do.

So we need very smart coaches and player acquisition folks to make sure we’re operating with high efficiency.

 

[richmondcuse03]

For years I’ve said that SU is the equivalent of a small market team in pro sports.

Now that college sports *are* pro sports we literally are a small market team.

It’s not that small market teams can’t compete. We see them do it every year. It’s that they don’t have the resources to mitigate mistakes that the large market teams do.

So we need very smart coaches and player acquisition folks to make sure we’re operating with high efficiency.

Precisely. It’s a version of moneyball.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Like I mentioned in another post we are behind in everything and have been for a while. That goes for almost everything in the program. Our facilities used to be a strength but now it is falling behind. We are short in every area of the program now. NIL Budget, Coaching, Facilities, Style of Play, Hype or Swag whatever they call it now days, Player Development, Talent Evaluations, Transfer Portal to cover weaknesses in the team, I could go on and on it is bad we are way behind. We are slowly becoming irrelevant.

The problem is transparency and the willingness to talk openly about it.

Also if hiring anyone but Red would have upset the boosters and alums then tell those same people to open up their checkbooks even more. If they want Red to succeed then they need to step up even more. I for one thought that we needed desperately to go outside the family for fresh eyes and fresh life but with that being said you can't fire him after two seasons unless the team really bottoms out.

Talking down to message board members for not being major donors is not the way and telling members to shut up about it because we aren't donating money is dumb.

This is so boring. I mean, YES, we do not make the TV money that they do in the SEC and Big 10. Neither do hundreds of other schools.

We will NEVER make as much money as them. NEVER. So, if that's your standard, then forget it.

We have the biggest basketball arena in the country. We own the football stadium, it's on campus, and we don't have to pay rent to the stadium where we play, like say Pitt has to do, playing in a pro stadium. Or UConn, St. John's and so many other schools, when they play their big games in the local pro sports arena.

Pitt, in case you've forgotten, is also an ACC team.
No other ACC teams, and nearly no other college teams in any league, sell beer at their games. We do. How much more money do we make from that?

Aside from Notre Dame, we sell more merchandise than any other private school, about neck-and-neck with Duke for 2nd. Brigham Young, I think, is next.

There are 22,000 students at SU - 16K undergrad, and 6K grad students. The average cost of attendance, including room & board is $85K per year. That equals $1.87 BILLION per year.

If Syracuse chooses not to invest more in its sports programs than it does, it's their choice. But there is sure as hell plenty of money to do it. For a school that's not a State University, Syracuse has deep pockets, lots and lots of wealthy alumni and a national brand.

Spare us the crocodile tears.

 

[Scooch]

Yup this I agree with and I think we missed this offseason on what the team actually needs. If we reversed spending and put what we spent on Eddie on an actual PG and what we spent on Carlos towards a normal defensive rim runner type center we would have been better off.

And if we are on a strict budget might have been worth examining if we needed both JJ and Bell back. They seem redundant both focused on offense and no real defense.

Good post. This is why people can’t just claim we have subpar NIL are absolve Autry of everything.

If we have limited resources then it’s critical he assess the strengths and weaknesses of the team accurately and spend money accordingly.

Six games into the season and it appears to be quite possible that we flubbed several portal/retention/NIL choices.

That doesn’t change the fact that we may need more resources, but it also redirects some accountability onto the staff that some seem to want to wholly deflect.

 

[Bulldog04]

One of the biggest things too is the coaches do not outwardly ask for anything monetary wise. Especially with some of their very close friends. They know they should, but our job as friends and donors is to introduce them to other friends who have resources and money to donate. Now that I live back in cuse, I a constantly connecting people with Alex, Griff and Red. And these are not alums either. They are friends of the community and want to get involved to help. The coaches have their events to raise Money and will have their usual donors, but it’s about having new ideas and events to raise money.

I’ve met with Alex a lot over last 2 months about doing 2 high power events next year. We are going to get super creative on the event so it’s not just “SU NiL golf tournament” that has been done 100x over. There’s so much that goes into it.

I try to not dive too much into the struggles and try to be vague, but maybe being more open will help more. Right now I’m working with my brother to raise money for new gym equipment. Other programs right now have mobile gyms that are traveling in tractor trailers so the kids can work out at all times on the road. This is not even close to an option for cuse right now. They have 2 working treadmills right now. 2. That’s sad. So there’s efforts to get the workout equipment and that will be a big step up. But a lot of programs don’t need to worry about that.

Alex is going to be a powerhouse for the program because he speaks up when you get to meet him. He has some great ideas to get more donors and more people involved. The staff has never had that person that speaks up for necessities. My brother and I were able to donate to something we had no idea what they needed and would never have guessed it in a million years that it was a need until Alex brought it up.

Jake is spot on about what they need and the amount. I’ll say this now- cuse already has $1m lined up for a center for next year through NIL. But so many donations are going to NIL and not the operation of the program so we need to look at operation of the program and the program needs as well. But this is the hard part with NIL these days.

I will be sure to be more vocal going forward so we can band together and help where we can help

 

[Bulldog04]

And just so people know as well- Fran raised $5m the first week he was here. He didn’t sleep and went business to business and met with a lot of people to get things to where they are now for football. Alex and Red are out in the community Iike crazy, but they weren’t asking like Fran was asking. Until now and I expect them to continue to be upfront about what they need for the future

 

[Red2003]

Our hoops NIL is about $2-3M annually. Closer to the 2. Really need it over $3M to be where it’d make our fan base happy to match the expectations on who we can get.

SEC and BIG teams can allocate north of 5M easily because of TV money. Other schools like Nova and UConn aren’t funding football like we are, and push most of their $ to hoops.

if you took our top 3 FB NIL deals, they’d probably be equal to what we spend on hoops.

I also believe unquestionably that Fran brought revenue sources with him that few coaches could bring. You don't have the kind of recruiting success that Fran has had purely by being a great guy.

Our FB boosters didn’t suddenly write the kind of checks that were required to lure the players and coaches we got in the past 12 months.

Well said.

I also think a lot about what Scheyer is doing at Duke as their internal continuity hire after K. Dukes NIL with Cooper this year has do be what close to 7.5mil or maybe more across that entire roster? A true blank check. An elite 8 and a 2nd round departure and now hes in year 3. Meanwhile UNC and NC state down the road are cooking.

 

[Scooch]

One of the biggest things too is the coaches do not outwardly ask for anything monetary wise. Especially with some of their very close friends. They know they should, but our job as friends and donors is to introduce them to other friends who have resources and money to donate. Now that I live back in cuse, I a constantly connecting people with Alex, Griff and Red. And these are not alums either. They are friends of the community and want to get involved to help. The coaches have their events to raise Money and will have their usual donors, but it’s about having new ideas and events to raise money.

I’ve met with Alex a lot over last 2 months about doing 2 high power events next year. We are going to get super creative on the event so it’s not just “SU NiL golf tournament” that has been done 100x over. There’s so much that goes into it.

I try to not dive too much into the struggles and try to be vague, but maybe being more open will help more. Right now I’m working with my brother to raise money for new gym equipment. Other programs right now have mobile gyms that are traveling in tractor trailers so the kids can work out at all times on the road. This is not even close to an option for cuse right now. They have 2 working treadmills right now. 2. That’s sad. So there’s efforts to get the workout equipment and that will be a big step up. But a lot of programs don’t need to worry about that.

Alex is going to be a powerhouse for the program because he speaks up when you get to meet him. He has some great ideas to get more donors and more people involved. The staff has never had that person that speaks up for necessities. My brother and I were able to donate to something we had no idea what they needed and would never have guessed it in a million years that it was a need until Alex brought it up.

Jake is spot on about what they need and the amount. I’ll say this now- cuse already has $1m lined up for a center for next year through NIL. But so many donations are going to NIL and not the operation of the program so we need to look at operation of the program and the program needs as well. But this is the hard part with NIL these days.

I will be sure to be more vocal going forward so we can band together and help where we can help

Another fantastic post, thanks.

One question… two working treadmills? That seems unfathomable to me. Like, I have two treadmills in my basement!

I get the NIL/big item challenges with funding. But treadmills? That seems like sheer neglect.

Oh also, if the coaches need money they gotta get comfortable asking for money. It’s 2024 and their jobs depend on securing resources. They gotta get very vocal about it.

 

[SUbear]

Wow. So Red doesn’t have the clout to push back on this? I wish JB would help out Red if this is a fight with Wildhack. And they should not be busing to Pitt. That’s an awful long ride.

Only 5.5 hrs to pitt, 6 to BC and 6 to Md. Bigger issue is potential for weather related problems.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Like, I have two treadmills in my basement!

So do I.

$3,000 clothing racks and miscellaneous storage.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Another fantastic post, thanks.

One question… two working treadmills? That seems unfathomable to me. Like, I have two treadmills in my basement!

I get the NIL/big item challenges with funding. But treadmills? That seems like sheer neglect.

Oh also, if the coaches need money they gotta get comfortable asking for money. It’s 2024 and their jobs depend on securing resources. They gotta get very vocal about it.

Coach Jack was begging for a new treadmill last summer at Turning Stone at the Coaches Caravan. It’s my understanding, and I may be incorrect, but the athletic department has to rent the use of the Dome. Not all of the season ticket money goes to the athletic department, only the donations. This may have changed, but that has been the arrangement.

 

[rrlbees]

I also believe unquestionably that Fran brought revenue sources with him that few coaches could bring. You don't have the kind of recruiting success that Fran has had purely by being a great guy.

North of $4m is what I heard. Both for NIL and to help with Asst coaches salaries.

 

[Scooch]

Coach Jack was begging for a new treadmill last summer at Turning Stone at the Coaches Caravan. It’s my understanding, and I may be incorrect, but the athletic department has to rent the use of the Dome. Not all of the season ticket money goes to the athletic department, only the donations. This may have changed, but that has been the arrangement.

Again this makes no sense to me. I get a dozen pieces of mail from SU every year. Maybe save the postage on one of those mailings and buy a couple more treadmills?

We’re not talking about an IPF here. It’s a freaking treadmill. There’s literally Black Friday sales on them as we speak.

 

[IthacaMatt]

One of the biggest things too is the coaches do not outwardly ask for anything monetary wise. Especially with some of their very close friends. They know they should, but our job as friends and donors is to introduce them to other friends who have resources and money to donate. Now that I live back in cuse, I a constantly connecting people with Alex, Griff and Red. And these are not alums either. They are friends of the community and want to get involved to help. The coaches have their events to raise Money and will have their usual donors, but it’s about having new ideas and events to raise money.

I’ve met with Alex a lot over last 2 months about doing 2 high power events next year. We are going to get super creative on the event so it’s not just “SU NiL golf tournament” that has been done 100x over. There’s so much that goes into it.

I try to not dive too much into the struggles and try to be vague, but maybe being more open will help more. Right now I’m working with my brother to raise money for new gym equipment. Other programs right now have mobile gyms that are traveling in tractor trailers so the kids can work out at all times on the road. This is not even close to an option for cuse right now. They have 2 working treadmills right now. 2. That’s sad. So there’s efforts to get the workout equipment and that will be a big step up. But a lot of programs don’t need to worry about that.

Alex is going to be a powerhouse for the program because he speaks up when you get to meet him. He has some great ideas to get more donors and more people involved. The staff has never had that person that speaks up for necessities. My brother and I were able to donate to something we had no idea what they needed and would never have guessed it in a million years that it was a need until Alex brought it up.

Jake is spot on about what they need and the amount. I’ll say this now- cuse already has $1m lined up for a center for next year through NIL. But so many donations are going to NIL and not the operation of the program so we need to look at operation of the program and the program needs as well. But this is the hard part with NIL these days.

I will be sure to be more vocal going forward so we can band together and help where we can help

Terrific post. Thank you for sharing some insights behind the curtain.

But only 2 working treadmills? For roughly 100 guys on the football team?

Come on, that has to be hyperbole.

They have more than that in the dorm fitness centers.

What are they doing with their budget? Don't they have anything set aside for maintaining equipment?

I mean, this is a multi-million dollar business. That's like a law firm running out of paper.

Do they have real business people running things up there?
Sounds ridiculous, some of the stuff we are hearing.
Health clubs are better operated than this.