ND "chooses" to play Navy and USC every year. Those are "OOC" games, so to speak.
Has any school that changed conferences during realignment ever said:
True but ND could probably make almost any demand they wanted.
These are distinctions without a difference, IMHO. ND has been "choosing" to play Navy and USC every year for how long now? Decades and decades? They're a fixture on your schedule.
it's a brand thing scooch. I see Terry's point and I see your point. ND loves to promote independence even if it means 1/2 of what it meant 20 years ago.
ND has no meaningful vested interest in anything northeastern because the northeast for all things Major CFB is decidedly less than it was even in 1990, which was much less than it was in 1960. Just the Cincinnati TV market will produce at least as much football talent as all New England plus all NY state. And the only large groups of viewers of CFB living in those states are either ND or Penn St fans. And both are long accepting that their favorite CFB team very rarely play in their home areas.
ND could not make demands from BT or SEC. because those leagues are simply far too rich and powerful. It could make demands of the ACC. The ACC would have to accept almost any ND demand in order to secure itself permanently as a Major Conference.
I get it.
Great find! Once Floridians see what is being spent, they will want to know where the money is coming from. Clemson was wise to get this info out and deny it is from academic sources and includes IPTAY monies. People will still wonder how the money could be wasted on a fool's errand and not used elsewhere more wisely. As they should.This thread is about the ACC vs FSU but let's talk about ACC vs Clemson just a bit.
Clemson has already spent over a million dollars pursuing their lawsuit against the ACC.
Clemson’s legal bills in ACC lawsuit top $1 million
The Tigers, like the Seminoles, have sued the ACC and been sued by the conference.www.tampabay.com
Clemson’s legal bills in its ongoing, dueling lawsuits with the ACC have already topped $1 million.
Since March, invoices from the Tigers’ outside attorneys total $1,001,124.53, according to documents obtained by the Tampa Bay Times through a public-records request. That figure includes more than $17,000 in expenses, like filing fees and mileage. The smallest itemized expense included was $15.55 for parking.
The invoices cover 1,884.2 hours of work by attorneys and paralegals. That averages to about $522 per hour.
Clemson is not using tax money or tuition fees to pay the bills. Instead, the school is using athletics money from ticket sales and TV revenue to pay the rates approved by the state.
The rest is from IPTAY, the Tigers’ separate athletic fundraising group. That money is coming from private, unrestricted donations not earmarked for anything specific (like scholarships).
Though the invoices started in March — the month Clemson and the ACC sued each other — work began earlier.
Emails previously included in the litigation by the ACC show attorneys for Clemson and the league discussed an agreement not to sue each other in January and February. A Tigers spokesperson said Thursday that any outside representation before March was with IPTAY, not the school.
The invoices are from the 2024 calendar year, but they’re split across the 2023-24 and 2024-25 fiscal years. Four agreements filed with the South Carolina Attorney General’s Office authorize up to $975,000 total for expenses in the 2024-25 fiscal year (which began July 1). Those agreements are with the law firms Ropes & Gray, Nelson Mullins Riley & Scarborough, Willson Jones Carter & Baxley, and Parry Law.
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If Clemson is in over a million, how much has FSU spent so far? Are they already over $2 million dollars chasing windmills? I think so.
Billable hours always wins.This thread is about the ACC vs FSU but let's talk about ACC vs Clemson just a bit.
Clemson has already spent over a million dollars pursuing their lawsuit against the ACC.
Clemson’s legal bills in ACC lawsuit top $1 million
The Tigers, like the Seminoles, have sued the ACC and been sued by the conference.
Clemson’s legal bills in its ongoing, dueling lawsuits with the ACC have already topped $1 million.
Since March, invoices from the Tigers’ outside attorneys total $1,001,124.53, according to documents obtained by the Tampa Bay Times through a public-records request. That figure includes more than $17,000 in expenses, like filing fees and mileage. The smallest itemized expense included was $15.55 for parking.
The invoices cover 1,884.2 hours of work by attorneys and paralegals. That averages to about $522 per hour.
Clemson is not using tax money or tuition fees to pay the bills. Instead, the school is using athletics money from ticket sales and TV revenue to pay the rates approved by the state.
The rest is from IPTAY, the Tigers’ separate athletic fundraising group. That money is coming from private, unrestricted donations not earmarked for anything specific (like scholarships).
Though the invoices started in March — the month Clemson and the ACC sued each other — work began earlier.
Emails previously included in the litigation by the ACC show attorneys for Clemson and the league discussed an agreement not to sue each other in January and February. A Tigers spokesperson said Thursday that any outside representation before March was with IPTAY, not the school.
The invoices are from the 2024 calendar year, but they’re split across the 2023-24 and 2024-25 fiscal years. Four agreements filed with the South Carolina Attorney General’s Office authorize up to $975,000 total for expenses in the 2024-25 fiscal year (which began July 1). Those agreements are with the law firms Ropes & Gray, Nelson Mullins Riley & Scarborough, Willson Jones Carter & Baxley, and Parry Law.
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If Clemson is in over a million, how much has FSU spent so far? Are they already over $2 million dollars chasing windmills? I think so.
It may (and should) be against SC law for them to use state money for anything connected to athletics. The fact that Texas, Oklahoma, and the Pac-12 schools waited until the expiration of their respective GoRs to move should have been a signal to those dummies to wait, too. Texas and Oklahoma were extremely lucky that the Big XII decided to let them leave early in exchange for the heavy fee. The conference didn't have to do that.
All those things are irrelevant when you're talking about Notre Dame. The Yankees and Cowboys haven't won anything in decades, and they still outdraw all others (for example).
Take a look at the Top HS football teams and there are still plenty of Catholic schools. That still helps ND recruiting despite the lack of success.
ND wants to play games on both coasts and Texas both for recruitng (Texas) and the chance for alums and fans to go to the games. The largest concentrations of ND alums are on both coasts and Chicago, which contributes to trying to avoid joining the B1G.
Highest number of Catholics is in the northeast. It’s pretty simple
We sunk below them, they did not rise to surpass us.
