Would restate your last paragraph to say that the record was reflective of the players who actually made it to the field.how often does a a 1 win team go on the qualify for a bowl game the next season?
It sure doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.
Baylor went 1-11 in 2017 and 7-6 in 2018. and beat Vanderbilt in a Bowl game.
In 2018 Central Michigan went 1-11 and then went 8-6 in 2019. Then lost to San Diego state in a bowl game.
Although we were 1-10 last season, I think most would agree that record was not reflective of the talent on the team.
I appreciate the analysis. And it’s a fair point that we may have a larger number of less experienced players than our opponents.I don't disagree that a number of players have been in the program for a few years despite what may appear to be a deceptive "class" listed next to their name.
But just as we have a player like G. Williams who is listed as a RS-Fr, but this will be his third season on the hill. Other teams also have those players; looking young in eligibility, but with multiple years "in the program". The difference is those guys make up the vast majority of the current SU roster while every single opponent in 2021 has more older guys (Jrs, Srs and Grad) also on their roster. The absence of these older players is what makes Syracuse young in comparison.
School; Seniors (inc Grads)/Juniors
Syracuse; 7/11
Ohio; 26/20
Rutgers; 31/22
Albany; 19/15 (it shouldn't matter here)
Liberty: 24/23
Fla St; 12/11
Wake; 10/19
Clemson; 22/25
Va Tech; 9/24
BC; 27*/27 *18 graduate students
Louisville; 21/21
NC St; 9/16
Pitt; 24/27
All of the "freshman" on the SU roster may not be fresh out of high school, but they have not been in the program for as long as many players on our opponents rosters either.
Advantage = opponent.
Being the younger team on the field is not an advantage and needs to be considered when looking ahead to the 2021 season.
how did we get here? honestly, I don't know. I haven't looked back at the recruiting classes and the related attrition.
Is Coach Babers responsible for this ? Sure he is. So do you condemn him now and let another coach benefit from the youthful talent on the roster? Or do you take a deep breath and give him the remainder of his contract to work thru this? IMO, we sit back and watch these players develop and play their hearts out.
Don't forget last season's 1-10 wasn't a regular 1-10 because we had no OOC games, hence no freebies. This year we have 4 very winnable OOC games. Is it too much to ask to win 3 of 4 games out of Albany (Home), Ohio, Rutgers (Home), and Liberty (Home) and finish 3-5 in the conference to be .500? It shouldn't be.how often does a a 1 win team go on the qualify for a bowl game the next season?
It sure doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.
Baylor went 1-11 in 2017 and 7-6 in 2018. and beat Vanderbilt in a Bowl game.
In 2018 Central Michigan went 1-11 and then went 8-6 in 2019. Then lost to San Diego state in a bowl game.
Although we were 1-10 last season, I think most would agree that record was not reflective of the talent on the team.
I don’t think he’ll be fired, unless we have another 1 or 2 win season.I think everybody understands this. But from a "splash of cold water" perspective, how many teams improve by 5 or more wins in a season, especially when they won only 1 game?
I wonder how many teams in college football history went from 1 win to a bowl game the next year. I'll bet you can count them on 1 hand in over 100 years.
I think the likelihood is that we wind up in this gray area of around 4-5 wins. If it's any less than that, no question he has to go. But he's got a lot of money left on his buy out. If he wins 4-5 games after winning only 1 last year, I think they're going to find it hard to fire him.
I think what’s weird is that he had 3 years of steady improvement, with year 3 being historically pretty great, followed by a really bad year and then a weird, hard to quantify what was talent, youth, coaching, covid, schedule, etc year.I appreciate the analysis. And it’s a fair point that we may have a larger number of less experienced players than our opponents.
I’ll also add that you won’t find a post from me advocating for Dino’s firing if we don’t make a bowl this season. I’m merely saying that if we don’t then it’s a failure, and I’ll be thoroughly unconvinced that we’re “improving”. He’s had a LOT of time to improve, but it’s year 6, we’re either decent or not.
Sorry, but are you nuts?Let’s be realistic here. There is no way SU can compete financially or athletically with the top football schools in the US, let alone the ACC and it is quite evident in recruiting and wins. With the NIL now in place, it will be more difficult to right our ship for I feel the major college sports are now doomed to fail.
Would SU ever consider leaving the ACC for the Big East in all sports except football and become an independent like BYU, ND, UMass and UConn? Hoops would flourish again and SU wouldn’t have to worry about beating Clemson or FSU every 15 years. Time for a change is needed for I do not see the football program ever completing on a national level like hoops. There are plenty of teams that would play SU in football and it would be exciting for road game travel.
I am so tired of our losing and want something to be done in a positive manner for all signs are pointing that our losing seasons will continue. SU is now bunched with the lowest rated football teams in America which is sad considering we were 10 - 3 several years ago. It sounds crazy and as an ex Cuse player, I am open to what you have to say. Cheers!
how often does a a 1 win team go on the qualify for a bowl game the next season?
It sure doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.
Baylor went 1-11 in 2017 and 7-6 in 2018. and beat Vanderbilt in a Bowl game.
In 2018 Central Michigan went 1-11 and then went 8-6 in 2019. Then lost to San Diego state in a bowl game.
Although we were 1-10 last season, I think most would agree that record was not reflective of the talent on the team.
The spending issue to me has been neutralized. We are in line with our peer schools in that regard. Any kid looking at BC/Pitt/Rutgers is not going to be wowed or disappointed by Syracuse in that regard.Sorry, but are you nuts?
The University just spent millions renovating the Dome.
And will be spending more on infrastructure.
That spending is supports football.
We are not giving up the revenue stream we receive through the ACC.
And, are not going independent in football.
Next topic.
Didn't seem to be a lot of quit in the team last year, certainly not on the defense, which went hard until they had nothing left.Oh, I agree. There is some talent on the roster. The whole question is culture. We won 10 games, then 5, then 1. Will we have the culture to bounce back, or will there be finger pointing and arguing on the sidelines during games again? Will we have discipline, or will we play OK in spurts, and then give up the big plays that lose games? When big plays happen, will we lie down or will we fight back?
Didn't seem to be a lot of quit in the team last year, certainly not on the defense, which went hard until they had nothing left.
I think everybody understands this. But from a "splash of cold water" perspective, how many teams improve by 5 or more wins in a season, especially when they won only 1 game?
I wonder how many teams in college football history went from 1 win to a bowl game the next year. I'll bet you can count them on 1 hand in over 100 years.
I think the likelihood is that we wind up in this gray area of around 4-5 wins. If it's any less than that, no question he has to go. But he's got a lot of money left on his buy out. If he wins 4-5 games after winning only 1 last year, I think they're going to find it hard to fire him.
the problem is...we ARE ready to hand out a covid mulligan to babers.In my opinion, if we do go on this season and win 6 or 7 games, it solidifies the COVID muligan argument relative to last year's single win against 10 losses. The opportunity is certainly there with the OOC schedule being as weak as I can recall.
If we do only manage to win 4 or 5 games, it also solidifies my view of Dino. That being, based on his track record here to date, (taking away the outlier 10 win and 10 loss seasons) that he is a 4 to 5 win type coach in a P5 conference regarding teams of/similar to SU status.
A mulligan implies that last year didn’t count at all. I’ve been saying it was bad but it needs an asterisk or footnote. Some accountability, some grace.the problem is...we ARE ready to hand out a covid mulligan to babers.
and its not like theres an abundance of optimism.
on a simple level...teams torched us through the air, and we just sent 3/4s of that secondary to the NFL.
babers gets no mulligan from me.
last year was inexcusable in year 5.
he shouldve had a ton of backups just chomping at the bit to get PT, that was basically no where to be found.
the only mulligan i will give is to Tommy & the WRs. i know its vogue to shlit on Tommy, and ive done some myself, but if i just look back at the stats and see 213-337 (63%) 2360 19-5 as a painfully overmatched sophomore, then i can find optimism and a potential mulligan. sadly, he wont have much time to earn it, which is a good thing IMO. i hope Shrader is pressing him hard.
mulligans can go to offensive skill position players who need an OL to work effectively. none will be given at RB because Tucker took advantage of the situation and should press for time this year. and at WR, damn if we are giving Taj a mulligan then he should have a Devonte Smith type year with improved OL and QB play.
so like others have said, its all on the OL and Tommy.
and starting 4-0 while putting up close to 30 every game is what i want to see. hell, i think they need 35+ just to beat Ohio.
im not interested in seeing Shrader develop either. if he comes in, its the same bar...30 every game.
otherwise its just more of the same babers blabbering bullshit of 'Orange is the new Cant Score'.
In my opinion, if we do go on this season and win 6 or 7 games, it solidifies the COVID muligan argument relative to last year's single win against 10 losses. The opportunity is certainly there with the OOC schedule being as weak as I can recall.
If we do only manage to win 4 or 5 games, it also solidifies my view of Dino. That being, based on his track record here to date, (taking away the outlier 10 win and 10 loss seasons) that he is a 4 to 5 win type coach in a P5 conference regarding teams of/similar to SU status.
to hell with that.A mulligan implies that last year didn’t count at all. I’ve been saying it was bad but it needs an asterisk or footnote. Some accountability, some grace.
I think people are using "mulligan" in the way you're defining it. The circumstances of the year were extraordinary, and while no one is happy with 1-10, we're not suggesting that the awful record was solely the result of failures in coaching, recruiting and program management.A mulligan implies that last year didn’t count at all. I’ve been saying it was bad but it needs an asterisk or footnote. Some accountability, some grace.
I think people are using "mulligan" in the way you're defining it. The circumstances of the year were extraordinary, and while no one is happy with 1-10, we're not suggesting that the awful record was solely the result of failures in coaching, recruiting and program management.
I'll keep banging this drum however, by acknowledging that there were extenuating circumstances, that also means one should not be basing 2021 expectations solely on having been 1-10 last year.
im willing to forget the whole year happened for the players.I think people are using "mulligan" in the way you're defining it. The circumstances of the year were extraordinary, and while no one is happy with 1-10, we're not suggesting that the awful record was solely the result of failures in coaching, recruiting and program management.
I'll keep banging this drum however, by acknowledging that there were extenuating circumstances, that also means one should not be basing 2021 expectations solely on having been 1-10 last year.
I think people are using "mulligan" in the way you're defining it. The circumstances of the year were extraordinary, and while no one is happy with 1-10, we're not suggesting that the awful record was solely the result of failures in coaching, recruiting and program management.
I'll keep banging this drum however, by acknowledging that there were extenuating circumstances, that also means one should not be basing 2021 expectations solely on having been 1-10 last year.
Dang. The last 2 years are the worst against P5 in Dinos tenure. Last year, a full 10.5 points below his 1st year, and 21 behind 2018. A 3TD difference. Wow.Sadly 2020 Offensively was closer to 2016/2017/2019 than 2018 was to 2016/2017/2019. So 2018 was the real outlier. The O hasn't been able to put points up on the board. We have some huge games but the typical game isn't enough to get a W.
Median points
2020
Overall 21
vs P5 17.5
2019
Overall 25.5
vs P5 20
2018
Overall 41
vs P5 38.5
2017
Overall 25.5
vs P5 25
2016
Overall 28
vs P5 28
yep.Sadly 2020 Offensively was closer to 2016/2017/2019 than 2018 was to 2016/2017/2019. So 2018 was the real outlier. The O hasn't been able to put points up on the board. We have some huge games but the typical game isn't enough to get a W.
Median points
2020
Overall 21
vs P5 17.5
2019
Overall 25.5
vs P5 20
2018
Overall 41
vs P5 38.5
2017
Overall 25.5
vs P5 25
2016
Overall 28
vs P5 28
We're gonna need a bigger boat...yep.
Orange is the New Cant Score.
i said 30 a game, that might not be enough...
I get it.im willing to forget the whole year happened for the players.
i am not willing to forget the whole year happened for the coaches.
know what i mean??...
im not sure if that makes sense and i know its above many peoples paygrade, but im rolling with it.