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[Forza Azzurri]

Not advocating his ouster by any means (yet) but he needs to make a few cosmetic changes biggest being that slow offense that is not point guard friendly and playing more aggressive on defense. All the years I remember Syracuse has always had a great panic press when they are down in the 2nd half. JT3 has shown no ability to win games once down big outside of a few rare occasions.

In other words JT3 coaches very cowardly.

The fact that you are even thinking about ousting him is delusional.

 

[OrangeTown]

While I hate the Hoyas as much as any other Orange fan should (I'm just at that age where I somewhat remember Ewing, and remember Dikembe and Alonze well), I do think some of the responses to him are a bit excessive. I also think he should take them with a grain of salt and expect them.

I also noticed that the one best response to his initial question (Jake's) was the one he didn't respond to. Jake had myriad good reasons in his post.

But if he wants the real reason Noel should pick SU - he could come here and play in front of 30,000 Orange fans numerous times next year, or go to G'town and play in front of 15,000 Orange fans once next year.

Georgetown has good cupcakes.

 

[Knicks411]

This is kind of a long thread here, I may be jumping in too late here.

1) I agree with the idea that Noel is going to pick a school based on a group of reasons that are unique to him. It may be because he can play in front of 30,000 fans. Or it may not. It may be for any number of reasons; maybe he met a cute girl at Gtown or SU or UK that he wants to try and bang. As I said, I just don't like the stuff like "Noel and his Mom are good people; they know SU is the right place for him".
2) If Noel is as good as advertised, and Gtown goes there, he absolutely has a chance to win a national title. (Same thing goes for if he came here or went to UK, of course)
3) If the shoe was on the other foot, and Gtown had a freshmen who barely played, and we had a guy who had the season Otto Porter did, we would definitely get on anyone from Gtown who tried to say their guy would be better next year. That being said, I think MCW is going to be awesome, so we may be right here, just saying.

 

[alphaorange]

Calling GTown "Big Man U" is a lot like calling SU "Running Back U". There is no relevance for either of these in recent times. Ewing was '85, M&M were in '90 or so. That means we are headed for 25-30 years since they have had a dominant big man. Hibbert did nothing at GTown and developed almost entirely in the NBA, where his all star status is largely a function of a league that is extremely big man poor. He really is just not that good and his 13/9 stats show exactly that. Monroe is another player that is doing his improving under the tutelage of NBA coaches, not GTown coaches. He is very good, no doubt, but it had little to do with his time at GTown. The fact that he may be the best player under 21 in the eyes of NBA GMs is something you made up backed by no factual evidence and really the age is irrelevant. Compare him to his age peers in 3-4 years and you will find him lacking.

 

[Upstate]

All of us. You'll feel the same next season when MCW is handed the keys to the Ferrari.

if/when we get Noel it should be known as the flattop Ferrari.

 

[longislandcuse]

Am I biased, yes, but if you look at the rosters of all 3 teams next year w/ Noel I think anyone would be very hard pressed to tell me that the team with best chance to win a National Championship is not Syracuse. UK is losing Anthony Davis, Terrence Jones, and MKG (possibly others and maybe the coach). We are losing Fab Melo, Scoop, Dion, and KJo. They are losing 3 lottery picks and the rest of that team including incoming recruits is not at the talent level of MCW, Triche, Cooney, Fair, Southerland, Christmas, DC2, Keita. Add Noel and we are beyond loaded. Our front line could be the best in recent memory, maybe ever with those guys. Two talented upperclassmen at the 3 with Southerland and Fair and a rotation of 3 McDonalds AA at the 4 and 5. Fuhggedaboutit.

He can win a NC next year with Cuse or UK, im sorry I dont see Gtown having the talent around him to do that.

 

[GardenOrange]

With everything negative that has gone at SU in the last year, if anybody here thinks that won't be a factor, then you are just fooling yourselves. I hope the kid comes to SU, but the amount of negative press in the last year could be a deciding factor, especially with his family.

 

[longislandcuse]

With everything negative that has gone at SU in the last year, if anybody here thinks that won't be a factor, then you are just fooling yourselves. I hope the kid comes to SU, but the amount of negative press in the last year could be a deciding factor, especially with his family.

I would hope the in home sit down with his Mom, JB, Hop as well as a testimony from MCW would alleviate those fears.

 

[Knicks411]

Am I biased, yes, but if you look at the rosters of all 3 teams next year w/ Noel I think anyone would be very hard pressed to tell me that the team with best chance to win a National Championship is not Syracuse. UK is losing Anthony Davis, Terrence Jones, and MKG (possibly others and maybe the coach). We are losing Fab Melo, Scoop, Dion, and KJo. They are losing 3 lottery picks and the rest of that team including incoming recruits is not at the talent level of MCW, Triche, Cooney, Fair, Southerland, Christmas, DC2, Keita. Add Noel and we are beyond loaded. Our front line could be the best in recent memory, maybe ever with those guys. Two talented upperclassmen at the 3 with Southerland and Fair and a rotation of 3 McDonalds AA at the 4 and 5. Fuhggedaboutit.

He can win a NC next year with Cuse or UK, im sorry I dont see Gtown having the talent around him to do that.

I think you are probably right about a SU team having the best chance to win a title. I guess possibly if UK gets Shabazz that could change the equation, but we don't know for sure that he is going there.

Georgetown was one of the 15 best teams in the country this year. They lose Clark and Sims, maybe their 2 best players, but if Noel is as good as he's supposed to be, he can easily make up for losing Sims, and probably Clark too. They have 5 or 6 guys coming back who played solid minutes for them this year; Hollis Thompson should be real good next year. UConn won the national title going 9-9 in the BE last year. Everythign else being equal (IE, holding Noel out) I agree Gtown will probably be the third best of the teams involved, but that doesn't mean they can't win a title.
I also think if you look at it from an SU standpoint, you can either overrate our guys or underrate their guys. I'm more talking about maybe some of the frosh that didn't play much lats year that we may not know too much about. (And I'll cop right now to not knowing much about their incoming recruiting class). We assume that MCW is going to be a stud, and I think he is, but a Gtown fan is probably going to look at it and say hey, this guy barely played as a frosh, now he's supposed to run the point for a national title contender? (Though Noel presumably knows how good MCW is).

I guess the short version of what I am saying is I don't think you are biased to say SU would have the best chance of winning a title of the 3 teams, holding Noel to the side, but I think either of the other 2 would have a realistic chance of winning it should they land Noel.

 

[SU2NASA]

Georgetown was one of the 15 best teams in the country this year.

But did anyone care?

 

[Sgt Cuse]

This is kind of a long thread here, I may be jumping in too late here.

1) I agree with the idea that Noel is going to pick a school based on a group of reasons that are unique to him. It may be because he can play in front of 30,000 fans. Or it may not. It may be for any number of reasons; maybe he met a cute girl at Gtown or SU or UK that he wants to try and bang. As I said, I just don't like the stuff like "Noel and his Mom are good people; they know SU is the right place for him".
2) If Noel is as good as advertised, and Gtown goes there, he absolutely has a chance to win a national title. (Same thing goes for if he came here or went to UK, of course)
3) If the shoe was on the other foot, and Gtown had a freshmen who barely played, and we had a guy who had the season Otto Porter did, we would definitely get on anyone from Gtown who tried to say their guy would be better next year. That being said, I think MCW is going to be awesome, so we may be right here, just saying.

This is the second time now (Poppy was the first), saying that by Noel going to Georgetown they become a title contender. No way. I know you're trying to hide behind the "If he is as good" nonsense, but just stop. He is not Anthony Davis. Noel averages 13 ppg in high school, A Davis averaged 32. Georgetown does not become a title contender with Noel.

It is unreasonable to think that Noel is going to be an offensive juggernaut. At SU or Georgetown, Noel will not be the focal point of the offense. The Pete Thamel article mentioned how raw he was offensively. Noel is much more Fab than he is A Davis.

What are you expecting out of this kid? Earlier people were dismissing the stats of AOs senior year or RJ last year, because they have not starred in the NBA. If Noel could put up 13 ppg and 10rpg he would be surpassing my expectations, he is not doing that in high school for crying out loud.

Look from a team perspective, if he is keeping it real, for SU he could replace Fab. MCW, as he knows, could replace Scoop. BT stays, along with two scoring forwards in Dirty and CJ. The pieces are there for his year as a complimentary offensive player and defensive stopper. His year here could be with a good team making a run. At UK he would be a disappointment and at GTown he would be irrelevant.

 

[Noexcuse]

Fuzzy memory here but what could have been . . . I remember Billy Owens and Mourning being good friends and there was talk at the time of their recruitment that they might play together in College. Seems to me that that possibility was between SU and UNC, as Owens was never too high on G'Town and of course his brother was here playing football. In the end they decided to play against each other than with each other, and JT2 convinced Mourning to follow in Ewing's footsteps. Just thought I'd throw that out there for the heck of it.

 

[Knicks411]

This is the second time now (Poppy was the first), saying that by Noel going to Georgetown they become a title contender. No way. I know you're trying to hide behind the "If he is as good" nonsense, but just stop. He is not Anthony Davis. Noel averages 13 ppg in high school, A Davis averaged 32. Georgetown does not become a title contender with Noel.

It is unreasonable to think that Noel is going to be an offensive juggernaut. At SU or Georgetown, Noel will not be the focal point of the offense. The Pete Thamel article mentioned how raw he was offensively. Noel is much more Fab than he is A Davis.

What are you expecting out of this kid? Earlier people were dismissing the stats of AOs senior year or RJ last year, because they have not starred in the NBA. If Noel could put up 13 ppg and 10rpg he would be surpassing my expectations, he is not doing that in high school for crying out loud.

Look from a team perspective, if he is keeping it real, for SU he could replace Fab. MCW, as he knows, could replace Scoop. BT stays, along with two scoring forwards in Dirty and CJ. The pieces are there for his year as a complimentary offensive player and defensive stopper. His year here could be with a good team making a run. At UK he would be a disappointment and at GTown he would be irrelevant.

I just think that Gtown will be a pretty good team without Noel next year, and if you add the #1 recruit in the country to that, that makes a national title contender. I would define that loosely as one of the 10 or 15 best teams in the country. Could I be wrong? Sure.

And to be fair, I am more going off what I have heard about Noel. Didn't realize he is only scoring 13 points per game.

 

[longislandcuse]

Hollis Thompson and Otto Porter are good players but I do not think G'town and the talent or system to win a NC even w/ Noel. His best shot is at Cuse or UK and if what he says about going to a place hes comfortable with and not wanting to be the next so and so are taken at face value, I gotta think hes leaning towards picking us. Just sounds like JB and Hop have to convince his Mom that this is a good place for him.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Gtown fans think theres a very small chance thompson comes back next year, he graduates but has 1 year of eligibility, he toyed with the nba even last year

 

[Knicks411]

Gtown fans think theres a very small chance thompson comes back next year, he graduates but has 1 year of eligibility, he toyed with the nba even last year

Ok, I didn't realize that. Would definitely change things.

Of course, at th e same time, did anyone think Butler had the talent to win the national title last year?

 

[longislandcuse]

Ok, I didn't realize that. Would definitely change things.

Of course, at th e same time, did anyone think Butler had the talent to win the national title last year?

Haha, well considering the best teams hardly ever win it anymore I guess Gtown would be a contender.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

I just think that Gtown will be a pretty good team without Noel next year, and if you add the #1 recruit in the country to that, that makes a national title contender. I would define that loosely as one of the 10 or 15 best teams in the country. Could I be wrong? Sure.

And to be fair, I am more going off what I have heard about Noel. Didn't realize he is only scoring 13 points per game.

Well, you could be right, depending on your definition of contender. I could be biased against GTown because I do not like them. I also do not like gimmicky offenses. Both GTown and Whisky have those gimmicky offenses - they annoy me.

I don't know the Georgetown squad well enough to compare expectations for next year. I do know the future looks bright for the Orange but there still could be a place for Noel.

 

[Knicks411]

Well, you could be right, depending on your definition of contender. I could be biased against GTown because I do not like them. I also do not like gimmicky offenses. Both GTown and Whisky have those gimmicky offenses - they annoy me.

I don't know the Georgetown squad well enough to compare expectations for next year. I do know the future looks bright for the Orange but there still could be a place for Noel.

I guess another way to look at it is what did we have coming back for the 2003 season, putting Melo aside? Probably not any better than what Gtown has coming back. (I am assuming Hollis comes back, if he doesn't, that definitely changes things).
My point isn't that Noel is going to be as good as Melo next year, but more that one player can drastically alter the fortunes of a team.