G-Town Mega fan stops by.

[ljmilman]

So your advantage is a kid who hardly played this year? People have siblings at other school's they are close too (Mr. Noel's older brother goes to NC State and plays football BTW) and they dont make a decision to attend one school or another based on that. If he goes to Syracuse the deciding factor wont be a AAU buddy.

Yes Syracuse has some advantages but lately you have had some major public disadvantages. Nothing is worse than a sex scandal involving minors. No need to delve further into that abyss but the point is made.

Roy Hibbert is 7'2", Georgetown didn't teach him that. He developed there, sure, but I think there are any number of schools he could and would have developed at. Greg Monroe, as someone pointed out previously, was the best PF recruit in the country, and the 8th best overall recruit. If you don't develop someone with that talent, then the university gets absolutely roasted.

As far as all the rest of your history with big men...well, they were retired before Mr. Noel (as you call him) probably even knew how to play basketball. Sure, he knows who they are, and he knows their success, but let's not presume that Georgetown's ability to produce centers 20 years ago is going to sway a teenager in 2012.

Having an AAU teammate, especially one who he was particularly close with in Carter-Williams is a bigger deal than you think. Doesn't make it automatic, but having a comfort level is a factor. At least as much of a factor as who attended a school 20 years ago.

Noel knows he's going to the NBA either way. And I think he's pretty darn sure he's going to be successful there either way. I don't think he'd be WRONG to attend Georgetown (who am I kidding, I think anyone would be making the wrong decision to go there), but Syracuse or Kentucky would be a better decision for him.

 

[Jake]

Your arena is empty and your coach runs an offense that features back door cuts with big men feeding guards from the high post. Its not exactly a showcase for elite big men.

 

[orangefan13]

If he goes to Syracuse the deciding factor wont be a AAU buddy.

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Right but it will be a HUGE deciding factor.

 

[skurey]

No I'm tired of idiot fans from other teams coming here pretending to be all nice and then starting stupid arguments. What'd you think, you would just come on a Syracuse site, point out reasons why the #1 recruit would pick Georgetown over Syracuse and then everyone would go "yeah that makes sense ok." It's dumb.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

Wow, a Georgetown fan. I didn't know you guys still existed. On the Noel front, what it really comes down to is a young kid is making a choice on where to stop on his way to the NBA. Who knows what his main priorities are? Could be he just wants to make sure he gets his, and doesn't care about the team. Could be he's basing it on how hot the coeds are (in which case, G'Town is at a huge disadvantage), or he could just be basing it on the way the wind blows. Point is, he's a kid and will make his decision on what he wants. None of us know where he's going, or why he's going there. Debating about it is silly.

With all that said, you have to admit (and you did in your first post) that SU has quite a few advantages over G'Town in this race. Facilities, fans, home court, good friends, better coach, etc... You have a legacy of big men. That's akin to the argument we use on the football board about our halfback legacy. We had Jim Brown, Joe Morris, Ernie Davis, Larry Csonka, and some other really solid running backs. So why can't we use that legacy to leverage top running backs today? The reason we can't is because legacy matters to us (the fans), and little to these kids. When all is said and done, in my opinion, he'll be UK's to lose.

 

[PauliePeppas]

He seems fine, go read the noel thread on hoyatalk if you want a laugh

 

[bronxhoya87]

There are other reasons that he would choose Syracuse over Georgetown. A great practice facility and the ability to play in front of 34,000 in the NY metro media capital of the world.

So you think he will be on the cover of more pre season magazines at Syracuse or billed and hyped as Gtown's next great big (assuming that matters to him)?

For the guy who said something about Mr. Noel's position in the pros.

He is 210 but has a frame and the feet to put on weight. Zo was very skinny as a Frosh too. You are splitting hairs but I will join...Monroe is really a 4 at the next level as was Alonzo who was 6'10.

If Marcus Camby can be a 5 in the NBA for 15 plus years Mr. Noel and well as Mr. Davis at Kentuck can be also.

 

[mark79]

So your advantage is a kid who hardly played this year? People have siblings at other school's they are close too (Mr. Noel's older brother goes to NC State and plays football BTW) and they dont make a decision to attend one school or another based on that. If he goes to Syracuse the deciding factor wont be a AAU buddy.

Yes Syracuse has some advantages but lately you have had some major public disadvantages. Nothing is worse than a sex scandal involving minors. No need to delve further into that abyss but the point is made.

MCW is a McDonalds all-America and is one of NN's best friends. They grew up playing together. MCW did not play much not because he wasn't great but because there were more seasoned players like Dion Waiters playing ahead of him. A lot of us, by the way, are not happy that he didn't get more run but that is another topic... NN has stated over and over that he would love playing with his good friend.

I don't know that he will come here, but there are many many reasons he could choose Syracuse over Georgetown. If you were on the inside of our program you would also know that much of the negative media attention we have reviewed this year is quite overblown.

 

[bronxhoya87]

Wow, a Georgetown fan. I didn't know you guys still existed. On the Noel front, what it really comes down to is a young kid is making a choice on where to stop on his way to the NBA. Who knows what his main priorities are? Could be he just wants to make sure he gets his, and doesn't care about the team. Could be he's basing it on how hot the coeds are (in which case, G'Town is at a huge disadvantage), or he could just be basing it on the way the wind blows. Point is, he's a kid and will make his decision on what he wants. None of us know where he's going, or why he's going there. Debating about it is silly.

With all that said, you have to admit (and you did in your first post) that SU has quite a few advantages over G'Town in this race. Facilities, fans, home court, good friends, better coach, etc... You have a legacy of big men. That's akin to the argument we use on the football board about our halfback legacy. We had Jim Brown, Joe Morris, Ernie Davis, Larry Csonka, and some other really solid running backs. So why can't we use that legacy to leverage top running backs today? The reason we can't is because legacy matters to us (the fans), and little to these kids. When all is said and done, in my opinion, he'll be UK's to lose.

It is utterly laughable that you compare these runners from yesteryear to Gtown's big men 1 who is currently a NBA All-Star and another who will be an All-Star for the next decade and considered by NBA GM's the best player under 21 in the league.

As far as advantages women wont be an issue. There are ladies all over DC (Howard U for starters). DC is a much more exciting place to be than a city that wins the Golden Snowball every year.

Again I am here because you (most not all) Syracuse Fans have been indignant to the possibility of him picking Gtown. I just find that utterly ridiculous. The same way you chaps visit the Kentucky board and laugh because they cant imagine him picking Syracuse.

As a matter of fact by your logic he should pick Ken tuck after all they have better fan support, better facilities, a better coach, more storied tradition...you name it.

 

[jekelish]

I think the most amusing part of this whole thread is that this dude refers to everyone here as "sir" and refers to players as "Mr. (insert surname)." I feel like I'm reading a New York Times movie review.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I don't think Georgetown is out of it for NN, but I do think we're in the lead.
Also, its refreshing (and a little disturbing) to have a GTown fan openly admit the obvious.
Ewing, Mutombo, ZO, and the 1980's are not walking thru that door!
GTown is receding in our rearview mirror, whether we get NN or not.

 

[SU2NASA]

Wow, a Georgetown fan. I didn't know you guys still existed.

He could always play in front of a lively sell-out crowd every other year... what an embarrassment for them.

 

[orangefan13]

Some have said MCW is the best player on this team right now.

If you watched the AA game and watched MCW this year you would clearly see he is a absolute stud and could have been the unanimus BE rookie of the year. Instead he will be the BE most improved player .
Its just we have two senior guards ahead of him and a sophmore first round NBA pick who plays on both ends of the floor.

 

[jekelish]

Some have said MCW is the best player on this team right now.

If you watched the AA game and watched MCW this year you would clearly see he is a absolute stud and could have been the unanimus BE rookie of the year. Instead he will be the BE most improved player .
Its just we have two senior guards ahead of him and a sophmore first round NBA pick who plays on both ends of the floor.

Erm, two senior guards?

If you're going to try to talk smack, you might want to get your facts straight about your own team.

 

[Cusee44]

No need for bad feelings here sir. I too have a disdain for many of my fellow Gtown Fans especially the many online.

Going off topic: why is rent in DC so darn expensive? I'm working in Bethesda, MD this summer and housing nearby that area is pretty hefty. Any recommendations for an affordable sublet in the area?

 

[PoppyHart]

Actually, Kwame Brown would the worst possible example, as he never stepped foot on a college campus. If he did, he likely would have been quickly humbled, and his NBA career possibly non-existent.

In college it doesn't matter what you play or do if it gets you to the NBA.
Kwame Brown is a perfect example.

Its all about when you get to the NBA if you cut it or not.

Gtown is still a good program.
If I may ask why are you talking about Noels? Hes down to Syracuse and UK last I heard.

 

[SU2NASA]

Going off topic: why is rent in DC so darn expensive? I'm working in Bethesda, MD this summer and housing nearby that area is pretty hefty. Any recommendations for an affordable sublet in the area?

Capitol Hill is a pretty decent place to find a share close to downtown for a decent price. I'd also recommend Tenleytown and Woodley Park. I live in Gallery Place, which can be more on the pricey side, but it's close to things to do, convenient to the metro, and it's only a few blocks to see us overrun the Verizon Center.

 

[bronxhoya87]

I don't think Georgetown is out of it for NN, but I do think we're in the lead.
Also, its refreshing (and a little disturbing) to have a GTown fan openly admit the obvious.
Ewing, Mutombo, ZO, and the 1980's are not walking thru that door!
GTown is receding in our rearview mirror, whether we get NN or not.

Well actually I do not agree with you. As you are well aware we probably will have the best second year player in the Big East next year.

We also have 2 highly recruited bigs (both over 6'9 and 260lbs) that sat out last year due to injury and received a medical redshirt.

We also have a lanky wing with tons of potential returning who was responsible for locking up your best player one on one this year.

We also have the top player from the top high school team in North America coming to join us. With Mr. Noel on board we will be legitmately 11 deep next year assuming Hollis Thompson returns to school. Of course I have doubts on how the coach will use his numerical advantage but that is for later discourse.

The cupboard is far from empty my friend.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

It is utterly laughable that you compare these runners from yesteryear to Gtown's big men 1 who is currently a NBA All-Star and another who will be an All-Star for the next decade and considered by NBA GM's the best player under 21 in the league.

As far as advantages women wont be an issue. There are ladies all over DC (Howard U for starters). DC is a much more exciting place to be than a city that wins the Golden Snowball every year.

Again I am here because you (most not all) Syracuse Fans have been indignant to the possibility of him picking Gtown. I just find that utterly ridiculous. The same way you chaps visit the Kentucky board and laugh because they cant imagine him picking Syracuse.

As a matter of fact by your logic he should pick Ken tuck after all they have better fan support, better facilities, a better coach, more storied tradition...you name it.

This is why you can't argue with G'Town fan (I use singular because he's the only one I'm aware of). They don't get nuance. My point, that you completely and utterly missed (coeds for example) is that he'll pick a school based on reasons that are arbitrary and singular to HIM. None of us can forecast where he'll go because we don't know what in his 18 year old brain truly entices him. If it's the fact that Greg Monroe settled into G'Town and played really good ball for a couple of years then good for him.

Monroe wasn't "developed" at G'Town, he didn't get better there, he used it as a stepping stone, which is what Noel will do. A legacy of big men means about as much to these kids, as the fact that G'Town used to be led by a Thompson that actually could coach. Point being, Monroe didn't get better at G'Town, he was already a complete product, so using the "legacy" as if that actually means something is a silly argument. Your legacy means nothing. You think what gets this kid going is thinking "hey Greg Monroe played there! What a tradition they have!" By using the legacy argument, what you're really saying is "there is something inherent at G'Town (coaching, facilities, etc...) that is conducive to producing big men who are prepared for the rigors of the NBA."

You have a big man who is an all star -- good for you. He was a great player when he got to Georgetown, and is a great player now. What exactly did Georgetown do for him that any number of powerhouse schools couldn't have done? He was a great player at Georgetown because he's a great player, not because Georgetown has some magic voodoo that "creates" great big men. So like I said before, the legacy argument is borderline ed, because it doesn't mean a damn thing to a kid who is already ready for the NBA.

Like I said, he could pick Georgetown, but the legacy thing probably won't be the reason.

 

[jekelish]

As you are well aware we probably will have the best second year player in the Big East next year.

Why? Is Michael Carter-Williams transferring down there?

 

[bronxhoya87]

Why? Is Michael Carter-Williams transferring down there?

If you are telling me that kid who hardly played is better than our kid who is an obvious star I will not discuss anything with you from here on out.

 

[jekelish]

If you are telling me that kid who hardly played is better than our kid who is an obvious star I will not discuss anything with you from here on out.

Oh darn. My life is ruined.

And our "kid who hardly played" is a McDonald's All-American who was fourth in the pecking order for guard minutes, and will absolutely be a first round NBA draft pick by the time he's done. He's a 6-5 point guard with uncanny passing ability who even a blowhard like Doug Gottlieb has gone on record as saying is an NBA point guard.

 

[SU2NASA]

Well actually I do not agree with you. As you are well aware we probably will have the best second year player in the Big East next year.

We also have 2 highly recruited bigs (both over 6'9 and 260lbs) that sat out last year due to injury and received a medical redshirt.

We also have a lanky wing with tons of potential returning who was responsible for locking up your best player one on one this year.

We also have the top player from the top high school team in North America coming to join us. With Mr. Noel on board we will be legitmately 11 deep next year assuming Hollis Thompson returns to school. Of course I have doubts on how the coach will use his numerical advantage but that is for later discourse.

The cupboard is far from empty my friend.

 

[cusetown1]

If you are telling me that kid who hardly played is better than our kid who is an obvious star I will not discuss anything with you from here on out.

no such thing as sophomore slumps?

 

[jekelish]

Is this guy basically the Georgetown version of RutgersAl?