Give us your top 5 realistic next HC

[elimunelson]

Lewis
Cig
Ches
Dan

I'm out on Sean Lewis or White. If we're going to fire Dino, i want a completely new operation. if that's mullin, herman, chesney, marrone. Those are operationally a new look at Syracuse football vs Dino ball.

If dino was to leave for another job and the operation was in good shape, sure look at Lewis/White. But it feels like Shafer taking over imo. we have short memories. Everyone was pining for continuity when marrone left and shafer got the gig (along with Hackett until he got paid in WNY)

 

[swish7]

Looking at it another way, here is someone's ranking of the top 20 hires from 2022, and the teams records this year and last. Its interesting to read through the comments the writer made about each hire, and now look at the team's w/l records. There are some patterns to the good hires.

1 - Matt Rhule, Nebraska: 2023 (5-3), 2022 (4-8)
2 - Luke Fickell, Wisconsin: 2023 (5-3), 2022 (7-6)
3 - Deion Sanders, Colorado: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (1-11)
4 - Hugh Freeze, Auburn: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (5-7)
5 - Jeff Brohm, Louisville: 2023 (7-1), 2022 (7-5)
6 - Jamey Chadwell, Liberty: 2023 (8-0), 2022 (8-2)
7 - Tom Herman, Florida Atlantic: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (5-7)
8 - Brent Key, Georgia Tech: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (5-7)
9 - Kevin Wilson, Tulsa: 2023 (3-5), 2022 (5-7)
10 - Biran Newberry, Navy: 2023 (3-4), 2022 (4-8)
11 - Kenni Burns, Kent State: 2023 (1-7), 2022 (5-7)
12 - GJ Kinne, Texas State: 2023 (5-3), 2022 (4-8)
13 - Kenny Dilingham, ASU: 2023 (2-6), 2022 (3-9)
14 - Ryan Walters, Purdue: 2023 (2-6), 2022 (8-6)
15 - Alex Golesh, South Florida: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (1-11)
16 - Lance Taylor, Western Michigan: 2023 (3-6), 2022 (5-7)
17 - Eric Morris, North Texas: 2023 (3-5), 2022 (7-7)
18 - Tim Beck, Coastal Carolina: 2023 (5-3), 2022 (9-4)
19 - Scott Satterfield, Cincy: 2023 (2-6), 2022 (9-3)
20 - Troy Taylor, Stanford: 2023 (2-6), 2022 (3-10)

In bold face are some teams that made some good hires. And there are more that made good hires. A bunch of good ones there, but I'll pick South Florida. This is what they had to say about that hire.

• Golesh has gained attention for orchestrating Tennessee's offense this season, and it netted him the South Florida head coaching gig. In his three seasons as Josh Heupel's offensive coordinator (one season at UCF; two at Tennessee), he has overseen electric offenses that have given fits to defenses. While the talent at South Florida won't be what he had in Knoxville or Orlando, USF is still capable of getting guys who can play in Golesh's offenses. He is a stand-up coach who has an outstanding work ethic and demands the same of everyone around him. This has the be the potential to be a home-run hire.

Some made some potentially bad hires. Purdue jumps out to me. Here are the comments they made about this hrie:

• This is a very interesting hire. For one, it follows trends of going young (Walter is 36 years old) and hiring a defensive-minded coach. That second point is very interesting since Purdue is known for their high-flying passing attacks, and this hire isn't what they normally do. Walters isn't just a defensive coach, but one who keeps things close to the vest and plans on being the guy making all the defensive calls. So what will that mean for the Boilermakers' offense? Well, Walters is saying all the right things -- he used words like "explosive" and "creative" to describe how the offense will continue to run.

If this all goes down and we are on the market soon, where do we want to be a year from now, record wise? What type of hire do we want to make?

 

[elimunelson]

Looking at it another way, here is someone's ranking of the top 20 hires from 2022, and the teams records this year and last. Its interesting to read through the comments the writer made about each hire, and now look at the team's w/l records. There are some patterns to the good hires.

1 - Matt Rhule, Nebraska: 2023 (5-3), 2022 (4-8)
2 - Luke Fickell, Wisconsin: 2023 (5-3), 2022 (7-6)
3 - Deion Sanders, Colorado: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (1-11)
4 - Hugh Freeze, Auburn: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (5-7)
5 - Jeff Brohm, Louisville: 2023 (7-1), 2022 (7-5)
6 - Jamey Chadwell, Liberty: 2023 (8-0), 2022 (8-2)
7 - Tom Herman, Florida Atlantic: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (5-7)
8 - Brent Key, Georgia Tech: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (5-7)
9 - Kevin Wilson, Tulsa: 2023 (3-5), 2022 (5-7)
10 - Biran Newberry, Navy: 2023 (3-4), 2022 (4-8)
11 - Kenni Burns, Kent State: 2023 (1-7), 2022 (5-7)
12 - GJ Kinne, Texas State: 2023 (5-3), 2022 (4-8)
13 - Kenny Dilingham, ASU: 2023 (2-6), 2022 (3-9)
14 - Ryan Walters, Purdue: 2023 (2-6), 2022 (8-6)
15 - Alex Golesh, South Florida: 2023 (4-4), 2022 (1-11)
16 - Lance Taylor, Western Michigan: 2023 (3-6), 2022 (5-7)
17 - Eric Morris, North Texas: 2023 (3-5), 2022 (7-7)
18 - Tim Beck, Coastal Carolina: 2023 (5-3), 2022 (9-4)
19 - Scott Satterfield, Cincy: 2023 (2-6), 2022 (9-3)
20 - Troy Taylor, Stanford: 2023 (2-6), 2022 (3-10)

In bold face are some teams that made some good hires. And there are more that made good hires. A bunch of good ones there, but I'll pick South Florida. This is what they had to say about that hire.

• Golesh has gained attention for orchestrating Tennessee's offense this season, and it netted him the South Florida head coaching gig. In his three seasons as Josh Heupel's offensive coordinator (one season at UCF; two at Tennessee), he has overseen electric offenses that have given fits to defenses. While the talent at South Florida won't be what he had in Knoxville or Orlando, USF is still capable of getting guys who can play in Golesh's offenses. He is a stand-up coach who has an outstanding work ethic and demands the same of everyone around him. This has the be the potential to be a home-run hire.

Some made some potentially bad hires. Purdue jumps out to me. Here are the comments they made about this hrie:

• This is a very interesting hire. For one, it follows trends of going young (Walter is 36 years old) and hiring a defensive-minded coach. That second point is very interesting since Purdue is known for their high-flying passing attacks, and this hire isn't what they normally do. Walters isn't just a defensive coach, but one who keeps things close to the vest and plans on being the guy making all the defensive calls. So what will that mean for the Boilermakers' offense? Well, Walters is saying all the right things -- he used words like "explosive" and "creative" to describe how the offense will continue to run.

If this all goes down and we are on the market soon, where do we want to be a year from now, record wise? What type of hire do we want to make?

It's hard to say in a vacuum. The end of year 1 of marrone felt like we were going the right way. Schedule that year says 4-8 but no blowouts, we killed a ranked Rutgers team and seemed to be on the path to better things.

End of year 1 of Shafer was a bowl season and I never felt like it was a trajectory of any positive consequence. Some huge blowouts that year.

I wouldn't place any W/L on year 1 of the next HC. It could be good, it could be bad record wise but the overall feel of what's going on will be bigger. End of year 3 we should have a sense if the program is turned around or not. To me the rebuilds should happen within 3 years now with NIL/Transfer portal and quality coaching

 

[Franz69]

Sean Lewis won 7 games twice in five years at Kent State. From 1962 until he took over, Kent State won 7 or more games five times.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Sean Lewis won 7 games twice in five years at Kent State. From 1962 until he took over, Kent State won 7 or more games five times.

Has Dungey ever spoken about Sean? I'd be curious to hear his take...

 

[orangepassion]

Even though I was upset that White left, there's few program builders better to learn from than Rhule.

 

[UnknownOrange]

I was ride or die for Babers in 2015. I thought his offense was going to be i n c r e d i b l e @ the Dome and thought "these are the offenses/HCs we need to be going after"

then Chris Ash was the rumor and god the board was ELECTRIC for a few hours.. days?

Then Dino became HC and I was in the room for the close-your-eyes speech (Close em Stephen Bailey!!!)

And a few incredible upsets, 1 awesome season, a couple hot starts turned wheels fallen off seasons later.. it's time to move on.

I'm sure I will be excited for the next HC just like I was the last one, but unfortunately for the program -- the next hire is really only going to have 2 seasons to prove it with this fanbase.

 

[swish7]

It's hard to say in a vacuum. The end of year 1 of marrone felt like we were going the right way. Schedule that year says 4-8 but no blowouts, we killed a ranked Rutgers team and seemed to be on the path to better things.

End of year 1 of Shafer was a bowl season and I never felt like it was a trajectory of any positive consequence. Some huge blowouts that year.

I wouldn't place any W/L on year 1 of the next HC. It could be good, it could be bad record wise but the overall feel of what's going on will be bigger. End of year 3 we should have a sense if the program is turned around or not. To me the rebuilds should happen within 3 years now with NIL/Transfer portal and quality coaching

Agree with 3 year windows. Every coach inherits something different in terms of the difficulty of the situation they walk into. I was just trying to bang something out quickly. Still, you can make some conclusions based on performance to date, but leave final judgment for the full 3 years.

Looking quickly at someone's list from 2020s best hires, re-ranked (by me) by how successful those teams are today.

1. 1. Mike Norvell, Florida State | Previous Job: Head Coach, Memphis | 8-0, ranked 4th
2. 5. Jimmy Lake, Washington | Previous Job: Co-Defensive Coordinator, Washington | 8-0, ranked 5th
3. 2. Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss | Previous Job: Head Coach, FAU | 7-1
4. (big jump) 11. Eli Drinkwitz, Missouri | Previous Job: Head Coach, Appalachian State | 7-1
5. (jump) 9. Kalen DeBoer, Fresno State | Previous Job: Offensive Coordinator, Indiana | 7-1
6. 6. Greg Schiano, Rutgers | Previous Job: Co-Defensive Coordinator, Ohio State | 6-2
7. (big jump) 20. Ryan Silverfield, Memphis | Previous Job: Offensive Line Coach, Memphis | 6-2
8. (jump) 12. Danny Gonzales, New Mexico | Previous Job: Defensive Coordinator, Arizona State | 6-3
9. 8. Jeff Hafley, Boston College | Previous Job: Co-Defensive Coordinator, Ohio State | 5-3
10. (drop) 4. Mike Leach, Mississippi State | Previous Job: Head Coach, Washington State | 4-4
11. 10. Jeff Scott, USF | Previous Job: Co-Offensive Coordinator, Clemson | 4-4
12. (drop) 19. Shawn Clark, Appalachian State | Previous Job: Offensive Line Coach, Appalachian State | 4-4
13. 16. Willie Taggart, FAU | Previous Job: Head Coach, Florida State | 4-4
14. 18. Ricky Rahne, Old Dominion | Previous Job: Offensive Coordinator, Penn State | 4-4
15. (drop) 7. Dave Aranda, Baylor | Previous Job: Defensive Coordinator, LSU | 3-5
16. 17. Brady Hoke, San Diego State | Previous Job: Defensive Line Coach, San Diego State | 3-5
17. 13. Mel Tucker, Michigan State | Previous Job: Head Coach, Colorado | 2-6
18. 14. Sam Pittman, Arkansas | Previous Job: Offensive Line Coach, Georgia | 2-6
19. (big drop) 3. Nick Rolovich, Washington State | Previous Job: Head Coach, Hawaii | 2-7
20. 15. Todd Graham, Hawaii | Previous Job: Head Coach, Arizona State | 2-7

Highlighted some recognizable teams that chose well.

 

[benjams77]

Mike Hart
Jim Leonard
Tony White
Wake Forrest OC

Its widely known that Mullens is not a grinder when it comes to recruiting and thats what you have to be at Cuse.. Find those diamonds in the rough and have a lot of options when some don't work out.. He is a QB developer though

If you could combine Ed O and Mullens it would be a heck of a coach

 

[Orangefizz]

46 Bob Chesney, Holy Cross
49 Manny Diaz, Penn St DC
51 Dan Mullen, Florida/Miss St
60 Rich Rodriguez, Jax St
62 Curt Cignetti, JMU

 

[AlaskaSU]

My take is different. Number 1 priority is upgrade the talent level. The only feasible way to do that is to hire a big name ex NFL star, perhaps a quarterback that wants to get coaching experience. Neon is doing well on the recruiting trail. Assistants can run the X's and O's. I don't care if his experience is minimal.

The Syracuse football image is right up there with Bud Light. That is the heart of our problem. A star power coach is our best option, but no star power coach is walking through our door. Next best option is a former star player.

The Buffaloes were a dumpster team. Their prospects are now better than ours.

 

[orangepassion]

Are people really serious about Mike Hart? His resume isn't that great and I can't think of anyone (with the exception of Willie Tyler) who likes ditching SU more than him.

 

[elimunelson]

My take is different. Number 1 priority is upgrade the talent level. The only feasible way to do that is to hire a big name ex NFL star, perhaps a quarterback that wants to get coaching experience. Neon is doing well on the recruiting trail. Assistants can run the X's and O's. I don't care if his experience is minimal.

The Syracuse football image is right up there with Bud Light. That is the heart of our problem. A star power coach is our best option, but no star power coach is walking through our door. Next best option is a former star player.

The Buffaloes were a dumpster team. Their prospects are now better than ours.

Marvin Harrison head coach would be amazing. We'd have so much street cred that no one would with us. We'd be like season 6 of the Wire with the Godfather running the show. Prop Joe could be the offensive coordinator.

 

[kirbivore]

Marvin Harrison head coach would be amazing. We'd have so much street cred that no one would with us. We'd be like season 6 of the Wire with the Godfather running the show. Prop Joe could be the offensive coordinator.

I always likened Marvin to Stringer Bell

 

[anomander]

Agree with 3 year windows. Every coach inherits something different in terms of the difficulty of the situation they walk into. I was just trying to bang something out quickly. Still, you can make some conclusions based on performance to date, but leave final judgment for the full 3 years.

Looking quickly at someone's list from 2020s best hires, re-ranked (by me) by how successful those teams are today.

1. 1. Mike Norvell, Florida State | Previous Job: Head Coach, Memphis | 8-0, ranked 4th
2. 5. Jimmy Lake, Washington | Previous Job: Co-Defensive Coordinator, Washington | 8-0, ranked 5th
3. (big jump) 11. Eli Drinkwitz, Missouri | Previous Job: Head Coach, Appalachian State | 7-1
4. (jump) 9. Kalen DeBoer, Fresno State | Previous Job: Offensive Coordinator, Indiana | 7-1
5. 6. Greg Schiano, Rutgers | Previous Job: Co-Defensive Coordinator, Ohio State | 6-2
6. (big jump) 20. Ryan Silverfield, Memphis | Previous Job: Offensive Line Coach, Memphis | 6-2
7. (jump) 12. Danny Gonzales, New Mexico | Previous Job: Defensive Coordinator, Arizona State | 6-3
8. 8. Jeff Hafley, Boston College | Previous Job: Co-Defensive Coordinator, Ohio State | 5-3
9. (drop) 2. Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss | Previous Job: Head Coach, FAU | 4-4
10. (drop) 4. Mike Leach, Mississippi State | Previous Job: Head Coach, Washington State | 4-4
11. 10. Jeff Scott, USF | Previous Job: Co-Offensive Coordinator, Clemson | 4-4
12. (drop) 19. Shawn Clark, Appalachian State | Previous Job: Offensive Line Coach, Appalachian State | 4-4
13. 16. Willie Taggart, FAU | Previous Job: Head Coach, Florida State | 4-4
14. 18. Ricky Rahne, Old Dominion | Previous Job: Offensive Coordinator, Penn State | 4-4
15. (drop) 7. Dave Aranda, Baylor | Previous Job: Defensive Coordinator, LSU | 3-5
16. 17. Brady Hoke, San Diego State | Previous Job: Defensive Line Coach, San Diego State | 3-5
17. 13. Mel Tucker, Michigan State | Previous Job: Head Coach, Colorado | 2-6
18. 14. Sam Pittman, Arkansas | Previous Job: Offensive Line Coach, Georgia | 2-6
19. (big drop) 3. Nick Rolovich, Washington State | Previous Job: Head Coach, Hawaii | 2-7
20. 15. Todd Graham, Hawaii | Previous Job: Head Coach, Arizona State | 2-7

Highlighted some teams that chose well.

Lane Kiffin at 9? He has Ole Miss at 7-1 and #10 in the CFB rankings.

 

[swish7]

Lane Kiffin at 9? He has Ole Miss at 7-1 and #10 in the CFB rankings.

I might have made some errors in this extremely manual process. Might have been a copy paste error. I could not find a simple list of all teams and their W/L records. Everything was grouped by conference or top 25 or whatever. So, I was literally looking up each team and using 4-4 as the placeholder text and editing it. I'll fix it. Hopefully that was the only mistake.

 

[DPCuse]

I'm not in the camp of our next coach needing to be an electric recruiter. I just don't think you can win those recruiting battles against the big boys. Therefore, I think our next coach needs to be a developer of talent. Get the underrated kids and coach them up. I want to see our players and team performances improve as the year goes on, not regress. Who that is...I don't know.

 

[Chip]

I'm not in the camp of our next coach needing to be an electric recruiter. I just don't think you can win those recruiting battles against the big boys. Therefore, I think our next coach needs to be a developer of talent. Get the underrated kids and coach them up. I want to see our players and team performances improve as the year goes on, not regress. Who that is...I don't know.

I think this is mostly true, but not the whole story. The other must have is a focused, organized portal operation. Yes, the portal will cost us the Duce and Carters of the world. But returns us the Bellamys, Goulds, Farmers, Wohlabaughs. These weren't under the radar kids, they just walked into very competitive situations at power schools.

Find more of them. I don't think they're the ones that break the NIL bank. And once they're here, they're not leaving until a potential grad transfer. You're starting with more talent and you develop them. That's the biggest key to our future success.

If I were prepping for an interview as potential SU coach, having that plan ready to present would probably be step 1.

 

[Chip]

I'm out on Sean Lewis or White. If we're going to fire Dino, i want a completely new operation. if that's mullin, herman, chesney, marrone. Those are operationally a new look at Syracuse football vs Dino ball.

I'd interview them both. For White, find out what his plan is for offense, and what his talent acquisition plans would be. I think the 3-3-5 is still something that might work best here. We don't get enough Freeneys or Jones brothers walking through our doors. And White has taken Nebraska's D from #100 to #13, chopping off 115 yards per game. That's without the privilege of playing Iowa yet.

As for Lewis, Dino has completely gotten away from what Lewis wants to do on offense. Dinoball changed, not Lewisball.

Not saying who I want, what do I know. But each of them would certainly get an interview at least.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I think this is mostly true, but not the whole story. The other must have is a focused, organized portal operation. Yes, the portal will cost us the Duce and Carters of the world. But returns us the Bellamys, Goulds, Farmers, Wohlabaughs. These weren't under the radar kids, they just walked into very competitive situations at power schools.

Find more of them. I don't think they're the ones that break the NIL bank. And once they're here, they're not leaving until a potential grad transfer. You're starting with more talent and you develop them. That's the biggest key to our future success.

If I were prepping for an interview as potential SU coach, having that plan ready to present would probably be step 1.

Just recruit 4 and 5 star high school talent. Yes they will not pick SU, but remember they're no good to us out of the gate because they'll get scooped up after we develop them. So butter them up, build trust and they will consider us as a transfer destination when they decide to portal in 1-2 years.

 

[DPCuse]

Just recruit 4 and 5 star high school talent. Yes they will not pick SU, but remember they're no good to us out of the gate because they'll get scooped up after we develop them. So butter them up, build trust and they will consider us as a transfer destination when they decide to portal in 1-2 years.

That is exactly the new transfer portal game. Let them go get their NIL money elsewhere and when they transfer to us year 2 or 3, they are kind of locked in because their one free transfer is done. Unless they want to sit a year.

 

[JRHEETER]

Chesney has easily jumped up to my #1 choice

The dude would do amazing things in my opinion at Cuse.

Would we retain him forever? Not sure. But worth the shot

 

[CousCuse]

I have liked him for awhile and he is extremely under the radar: Chuck Martin.

He will have connections to Ohio recruiting which is nice.

The prior tenure to his Miami went 4-8 (3-5), 4-8 (3-5), 0-12 (0-8). So he took over crap. After his 1st two years he is 47-42 (37-19) with 2 division titles and 1 conference title. For comparison Candle is 39-19 in conference winning his division twice and the conference twice.

He doesn't have any major OOC Ws, but the conference record is pretty impressive. He has beaten on the road Cincy and Northwestern in the last 2 seasons.

Before Miami he was OC at Notre Dame under Kelly, who he eventually followed from Grand Valley State. While a HC there he won 2 titles, made another Final, and another Final Four. From 2005-09 he lost only 1 regular season game and 3 games total. During that span he won 40 straight games a DII record.

He has a similar background as Brian Kelly. he obviously can coach. No clue if he could recruit at a P4 level though.

I'm sure he would like swing at the P5 before he is too old. A lot like Liepold. Probably wouldn't be too expensive. I think he's a fit. People should be realistic with the route SU will take.

 

[Upstatenynw]

Which Cignetti? JMU HC or the Pitt OC?

1) G.J. Kinne
2) Ryan Silverfield
3) Shawn Clark
4) Cignetti
5) Jeff Traylor

Bonus add on there…. Bob Chesney

Alright let’s hear em


Give us your tip 5 REALISTIC next HC to take over if/when Dino is fired

I have a couple names that I have not seen mentioned:

1. Joe Brady- Bills qb coach. Was once the hottest up and coming name in college football and is already coaching in the state. Is also young and relatable

2. Rick Neuheisel- has loads of experience building programs from the very bottom. West coast guy but is itching to get back into the game. Perhaps an acc member could lure him to head east. Has been on the outside looking in at the game for a while and has a fresh perspective on how to build a program without the big money that some of the other institutions have

 

[kcsu]

Hugh Freeze. If Jesus cant handle his Junk neither can the rest of the ACC