Good to see Dungey on the sidelines...

[elimunelson]

If there is a protocol how could the university clear him to play again this year????

I think we have seen the last of ED if adults are in charge.

 

[chakka3421]

It's 100% certain it's a concussion. Being there to see the violent hit, the aftermath with the classic head trauma sign of holding ones face mask to stabilize oneself, seeing him right in front of me on the field walking off woozy looking, and from the in game notification sent out from the school re the hit makes this one an easy conclusion (again just like the two last year, which hopefully this year I won't have to engage with the less informed here re the reality of it).

This because you don't need head trauma to get one with the violence of the hit re whiplash enough to cause it. The fact that he was back on the sideline is good and means it wasn't a grade 3 concussion (which is usually the case with indirect concussions from whiplash without a direct hit to the skull). Grade one for sure and possibly grade 2 which will only be known by follow up neurological testing this week.

Regardless this is number 3, it would be crazy to put him out there next week regardless and the protocol would suggest against it (especially if it's grade 2):

Concussion Rating Scale

If I'm his parents I shut him down for the season given his history. Possibly his career. Its wasn't a stinger as, again, was right on the sideline and no upper extremity symptoms were present nor addressed.

(This is going to be my one and only one post on this this year as I'd prefer not to have to go through what was gone through last year with the dopey back and forth only to have it ultimately substantiated).

Thanks for the analysis - what bothered me most was Bailey tweeting he was skeptical that Dungey was not allowed back into the game. What I think you are saying is a player has to go through the full concussion analysis before he's allowed or not allowed back into the game.

Unless I'm misinterpreting what he tweeted, Bailey should know better and should be relived of his job and shouldn't be allowed to cover SU football again. Very stupid comment for a journalist especially in today's world. Concussions are serious and should never be taken lightly.

 

[upperdeck]

The neb kid was knocked and sent to the Hospital and still came back to the game and the sideline. SO

 

[jgeorge322]

While i think its irresponsible to speculate that dungey did not have a concussion as i posted yesterday unless you are a MD, i find it EQUALLY irresponsible to speculate about the status of his disability unless you are his TREATING physician. Some of you need to stay in your zone.

 

[TheCusian]

While i think its irresponsible to speculate that dungey did not have a concussion as i posted yesterday unless you are a MD, i find it EQUALLY irresponsible to speculate about the status of his disability unless you are his TREATING physician. Some of you need to stay in your zone.

It's this x1000. Babers wasn't even sure it was a concussion after the game.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Thanks for the analysis - what bothered me most was Bailey tweeting he was skeptical that Dungey was not allowed back into the game. What I think you are saying is a player has to go through the full concussion analysis before he's allowed or not allowed back into the game.

Unless I'm misinterpreting what he tweeted, Bailey should know better and should be relived of his job and shouldn't be allowed to cover SU football again. Very stupid comment for a journalist especially in today's world. Concussions are serious and should never be taken lightly.

Bailey is a clown

 

[elimunelson]

Calm down w the absolutes on message board speculation. It's what we do.

 

[pacusewife]

It's this x1000. Babers wasn't even sure it was a concussion after the game.

I'm skeptical...

 

[jgeorge322]

Calm down w the absolutes on message board speculation. It's what we do.

Speculating and saying if responsible adults were in charge dungey would not play again are two different things

 

[cuse309]

Syracuse concussion protocol
Syracuse football concussion policy | syracuse.com

 

[dan7800]

I'd guess the trainers would be able to tell very quickly if it was a concussion or a stinger.

 

[QUSE]

Are we positive that he already had 2 concussions? Wasn't the one against CMU deemed an upper body injury? Was the one against Louisville a concussion?

 

[SUMBA]

I'm skeptical...

Well played!

 

[Briancuse]

Brian...ask any physical therapist or Dr. on what a stinger is. It is a damage (how much varies) to the spinal nerve system and by far not a "just a" type of injury. I know coaches and the like say it all the time but it isn't a good thing in any way, shape or form.

Not saying it is, but when you are talking about the head and neck area, its not as bad as some of the alternatives.

 

[bnoro]

Thanks for the analysis - what bothered me most was Bailey tweeting he was skeptical that Dungey was not allowed back into the game. What I think you are saying is a player has to go through the full concussion analysis before he's allowed or not allowed back into the game.

Unless I'm misinterpreting what he tweeted, Bailey should know better and should be relived of his job and shouldn't be allowed to cover SU football again. Very stupid comment for a journalist especially in today's world. Concussions are serious and should never be taken lightly.

Pretty sure he was saying he was skeptical of the medical staff not giving Dino a reason why Dungey couldn't come in. Not sure why Bailey gets hate for that. I'm skeptical Dino didn't know what the injury was either.

 

[Cuseman78]

Pretty sure he was saying he was skeptical of the medical staff not giving Dino a reason why Dungey couldn't come in. Not sure why Bailey gets hate for that. I'm skeptical Dino didn't know what the injury was either.

Yes, this is correct. This is what he clarified when asked what he meant on twitter.

 

[TheCusian]

Pretty sure he was saying he was skeptical of the medical staff not giving Dino a reason why Dungey couldn't come in. Not sure why Bailey gets hate for that. I'm skeptical Dino didn't know what the injury was either.

He's saying Babers is lying. That's an opinion unsubstantiated by any fact. He's a reporter.

It doesn't matter what he's skeptical of. It matters what he can prove or not prove.

Like I said last night - be skeptical with your journo buddies after the game at the bar. Not in public.

 

[bnoro]

He's saying Babers is lying. That's an opinion unsubstantiated by any fact. He's a reporter.

It doesn't matter what he's skeptical of. It matters what he can prove or not prove.

Like I said last night - be skeptical with your journo buddies after the game at the bar. Not in public.

Journalists speculate and give their opinions all the time. He didn't accuse Babers of anything. Just said it's unlikely Babers didn't know what the injury is. Which is probably true.

 

[TheCusian]

Journalists speculate and give their opinions all the time. He didn't accuse Babers of anything. Just said it's unlikely Babers didn't know what the injury is. Which is probably true.

Disagree.

Columnists give opinions. Journalists deal in facts. Twitter is treated like a place where you can share your opinions, when in fact it's not much different than syr.com. I'd also it's implicit that he didn't think Babers was telling the truth.

Just odd to see the beat writer question the truthfulness of a statement without anything whatsoever to back it up.

 

[CuseOnly]

I think the "dopey back and forth" was over him already having three when the only evidence we had was visual by people who were not there and not doctors.

AND 2 concussions were "substantiated", but what grade they were is still visual by non-doctors who didn't even talk to the patient.

I will say it again: even if you are a doctor, seeing the hit on TV or from the stands *might* give you enough info to apply a % chance (i.e. Educated guess) - but it is not the same as a team doctors actual examination, knowing the players full medical history, and conversations with a specialist.

So, you may call it "dopey" - but I find only the confidence in what you're sharing here falls into that category (unless you are the team doctor, in which case, I apologize).

100%?

If I remember correctly, one of the Dungey's mentioned that what held him out for the remainder of the year last year wasn't a concussion but some other issue. They wouldn't clarify what that was. It may not be a concussion at all, thinking neck issue or something.

 

[CuseOnly]

Pretty sure he was saying he was skeptical of the medical staff not giving Dino a reason why Dungey couldn't come in. Not sure why Bailey gets hate for that. I'm skeptical Dino didn't know what the injury was either.

He should ask Babers if he was lying, then ask him if Babers cares what anyone thinks. I would pay actual dollars to hear those 2 questions form him on Monday.

 

[JoeSU]

And while he's at it, here's a question for Bailey to ask his colleague Nate Mink, about the headline to his recent P-S story:
Syracuse football QB Eric Dungey knocked out at Clemson

I don't mean to parse words, but did Dungey really lose consciousness? The headline doesn't say he was knocked out of the game. As I saw it, he immediately tried to get up, but was woozy. There's a difference.

 

[CUSU]

Here's a question for Nate Mink based on the headline in his P-S story:
Syracuse football QB Eric Dungey knocked out at Clemson

I don't mean to parse words, but did Dungey really lose consciousness? The headline doesn't say he was knocked out of the game. As I saw it, he immediately tried to get up, but was woozy. There's a difference.

Saw this too and just shook my head. From what I saw he wasn't "knocked out", but could be wrong.

 

[Cuseman78]

Saw this too and just shook my head. From what I saw he wasn't "knocked out", but could be wrong.

I think he meant it as knocked out of the game, not "knocked out", but who knows.

 

[CUSU]

I think he meant it as knocked out of the game, not "knocked out", but who knows.

If that's the case why not say knocked out of the game? The way it is worded illustrates a different picture than what happened (as far as I know). I think that's what the poster above was referring to.