Here is what I can PROMISE all the "fire Shafer" people

[billsin01]

I would say no.

Year 1 ended in a bowl victory.

Year 2 ended when QB1 was injured and QB's 2, 3 and 4 were ineffective or injured. Didn't help that we had the wrong OC in place (a mistake which has been corrected).

Year 3 is still in progress. QB1 injured again, and QB2 is a true frosh who's going to make mistakes.

I'd love to see what Shafer-Lester-Dungey can do with this offense after they get a full Spring Practice in.

QB injuries aren't rare today. I'm not disagreeing with your point per se, but keeping a QB healthy all season seems like an extremely difficult task these days.

 

[billsin01]

Spot on. I agree 100% which is why i believe that the next year is the year that Coyle will make his decision on.

Didn't you also believe Austin wilson was the QB of the future here?

 

[TheCusian]

For somebody who likes context you sure are oblivious to it. It took Briles time because he took over a Gregian level toxic waste site. Shafer - didn't. Briles IMPROVED his team in three years Shafer, not so much

That's a fine point. But not the one I was making.

I was saying - regardless of context - that it took time. I didn't pay attention to Baylor previously, so it appear eared to me that it happened out of no where. But like all things, it took time. That's it. That was the simple point I was making.

Given the context I now know, I'm all the more impressed with Brlles. By God, he might just be a better coach than Shafer. Who would have thought?!

 

[TheCusian]

2009 included wins against an 8 win Northwestern team and a 9 win Rutgers team.

My bad, I thought the word ranked meant ranked. I know who they beat, I watched the games.

 

[Alsacs]

My bad, I thought the word ranked meant ranked. I know who they beat, I watched the games.

That Rutgers team in 2009 was ranked 25th in the AP poll the week we destroyed Tom Savage and Rutgers in the Dome.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?gameId=302960277

 

[TheCusian]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/recap?gameId=302960277 They were ranked when we beat them on the road in Morgantown.

You should let cfbstats know their data is wrong

 

[Alsacs]

You should let cfbstats know their data is wrong

I don't need to as I remember it pretty clearly. Marrone beat 1 ranked team every year. 2009-Rutgers, 2010-West Virginia, 2011-West Virginia, 2012-Louisville

 

[TheCusian]

That Rutgers team in 2009 was ranked 25th in the AP poll the week we destroyed Tom Savage and Rutgers in the Dome.

Again - not sure if cfbstats go with AP or coaches poll... But sue me for not checking elsewhere.

 

[Alsacs]

Again - not sure if cfbstats go with AP or coaches poll... But sue me for not checking elsewhere.

I don't need to sue you at all. It just goes to show Marrone upset teams while he was SU FB HC and under SS the biggest upsets we have had in 3 years is beating BC in the Dome to get bowl eligible or Maryland on the road.

Marrone beat 4 ranked teams in 4 years. We haven't beaten a ranked team since 2012. Just facts.

 

[TheCusian]

I don't need to sue you at all. It just goes to show Marrone upset teams while he was SU FB and under SS the biggest upsets we have had in 3 year is beating BC in the Dome to get bowl eligible or Maryland on the road. Marrone beat 4 ranked teams in 4 years. We haven't beaten a ranked team since 2012. Just facts.

Yeah I stand corrected. Apparently they go by coaches poll. Should have double checked.

Nice win

 

[tep624]

Duke's passed us by. They're going all-in on football to become Stanford East. They've renovated their stadium, are going to win their division again, and have a top 25 recruiting class. We should do what they did and hire a real head coach. Someone with experience and proven success.

You do realize that their "real" head coach had losing seasons in his first 5 years at Duke?

 

[orangencpolice]

No. But there is no consensus that it's a "stupid offense" that's your opinion. It may be. It also might be okay and it's being run by young inconsistent players.

This years offense is better at some things and it's clear that the organizational bits are way better.

That goal line offense we saw against UVA was "Pop Warner" like. Just saying...

 

[orangencpolice]

I must have missed when McFarlane and Morris looked good. I don’t know how Morris still plays with the number of passes he dropped last year as a sophomore but I’ve noticed they’ve not thrown one his way this year.

McFarlane should be moved over to safety where he was recruited.

If I remember correctly McFarlane broke a couple nice runs last year. Obviously the offensive line made their blocks, but this year he hasn't done much at all. I don't know if it is him or the offensive line missing assignments.

 

[orangencpolice]

They have to find away to harness the freelancing within an coherent scheme. Lester has an idea of what he wants to do and they prepped for 8 months to go a certain way. They didn't know what they had in Dungey until August.

They are all learning on the fly, trying to fit within in a "get it to the fourth quarter" mentality, all while trying to run this system at the same time.

I think if Hunt did not get hurt he would have a very hard time running this offense and succeeding at it. We would most likely would not have three wins.

 

[orangencpolice]

You're right--we should. Only our offensive line sucks, which makes it tough to run the ball.

They all have game experience, why do they suck? At the beginning of the season they were viewed as a strength. Trudo should be All ACC this year. He started for 4 years straight. Why would Shafer hire such an incompetent offensive line coach? Trivial at the least.

 

[cuse309]

Syracuse University doesn't support FB? You actually want me to believe that was your point. When I said Duke doesn't care about football. You think I should know what you meant okay.
Good job good effort. Syracuse is about to announce something about its stadium in the next month. If Syracuse didn't care about FB they wouldn't do anything to improve the stadium and would just continue cashing checks.

Of course that's what I meant. Obviously the fans support the team. What sense would it make if I implied a fan didn't support the team? That wouldn't be a fan would it.
No. SU does not support football to the level it should. Look no further than the putrid salaries our coaches and assistant coaches make. There are non P5 coaches who make more. A lot of them.

 

[orange7]

...What I would do to have Marrone back...just saying. As an 'X and O' guy, he was extremely successful. And having a young Hackett and energetic Shafer for recruiting was extremely beneficial.

 

[Crusty]

The EXACT same position we are in right now in 3 years. Probably worse- and I don't care if we hire Bill Belichek. Brand new recruiting grounds which will take time to infiltrate- brand new systems to teach with painful growing pains-a depleted recruiting class and- very likely- major transfers from current team.
Other than that we should be just fine.

Losing a recruiting class is much overrated.
In 2013, when Shafer took over on January 9th, a month before NSD, we lost 5 Marrone recruits. All proved to be busts.

1. Gus Edwards RB (Miami) - buried on the depth chart at #3.
2. Laray Smith RB (Indiana) - switched to CB and transferred to Delaware State to play RB.
3. Zach Allen QB (TCU) - buried on the depth chart at #6 QB. Was tried at WR in the spring.
4. Malik Brown DE/LB (Tennessee) transferred to Bowling Green.
5. Devan Carter LB/RB (Rutgers) moved from RB to LB where he is buried in the depth chart.

On the other hand, Shafer's staff pulled in Brisly Estime and Corey Winfield, both starters.

New staffs have their own contacts and recruits in progress and it is far from certain whether a class will be better or worse off with a change. Also, it is only one class.

I doubt Coyle will pay any attention to this factor - nor should he.

 

[TheCusian]

Losing a recruiting class is much overrated. In 2013, when Shafer took over on January 9th, a month before NSD, we lost 5 Marrone recruits. All proved to be busts. [*]Gus Edwards RB (Miami) - buried on the depth chart at #3. [*]Laray Smith RB (Indiana) - switched to CB and transferred to Delaware State to play RB. [*]Zach Allen QB (TCU) - buried on the depth chart at #6 QB. Was tried at WR in the spring. [*]Malik Brown DE/LB (Tennessee) transferred to Bowling Green. [*]Devan Carter LB/RB (Rutgers) moved from RB to LB where he is buried in the depth chart. On the other hand, Shafer's staff pulled in Brisly Estime and Corey Winfield, both starters. New staffs have their own contacts and recruits in progress and it is far from certain whether a class will be better or worse off with a change. Also, it is only one class. I doubt Coyle will pay any attention to this factor - nor should he.

Not disagreeing - very salient point. But Gus was the starter going into this year and got hurt.

I don't think you can label him a straight up bust just yet.

 

[Crusty]

Not disagreeing - very salient point. But Gus was the starter going into this year and got hurt.

I don't think you can label him a straight up bust just yet.

Point taken.

 

[Millhouse]

the problem with the long term decision shafer isn't his record in the past. i could live with his losing record if i felt good about his philosophy - what does he want to do on offense? is this offense what we want? defensive coaches need to decide what they want to do or else you just end up throwing at the wall and changing gears all the time

Since 2000 pre Dungey, we have played 86 games on the road where a QB has thrown 10 passes. There were only 11 games where that qb had a rating better than 132. (13%!)

We won 8 of those games

This year, Dungey's rating was over 132 for both road games and we are 0-2. Nassib did it 4 times out of 18. Dungey already has 2. No one else has more than 1.

It is so rare for us to have a qb who doesn't stink on the road. Dungey is great. We should win when our QB plays well

Now a lot of the W/L is on the defense. But if you have a really good quarterback and a meh offense, you need a new scheme.

 

[Alsacs]

If our OL is struggling and we have a lot of experience on that line when can we question Joe Adam. Last year the OL was awful and this year the line has been inconsistent,

Adam needs to move to another position on the staff or get a new OL coach.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

UCLA fired a lot of coaches until they finally got it right.

I am not into blaming assistants anymore, if you cant win games, HC needs to go. Year 3 assistants should be in place that coach wants

Shafer took over a 8-5 program that lost quite a bit of talent, he backed that up with an up and down 7-6 season. Shafer has no big wins, HUGE losses and won 3 games last year and will most likely win between 3-5 this year. If that resume isn't at least worth discussing a possible replacement, we should just pack up and go home.

I don't care either way anymore, I really like Shafer but I like winning football games more. I prefer he stays and we win games but he has 6 games left this year to get it going. Shafer will be just fine but I think the decision will make itself. 5 wins I think he is fine, 3 wins is a very tough sell. 4 wins? Who knows

I don't think coaches get as much time as they use to. Like I said, I can see cases on both sides. I think he wins 5 games and is safe, but coaches know the game.

 

[Alsacs]

SS has to win another game this year. @NC State or Boston College are our two best bets. If we can't win beat either of them it is obvious we need a new HC. I don't expect this team to beat Pitt, @ Florida State, @Louisville, Clemson those teams all offensive firepower that our pass D won't be able to stop.

Not getting blown out is the objective in those games. The reason that UVA loss is such a killer is that at 4-6 those last games would be huge to keep the kids fired up about getting to a bowl. At 3-7 it will be on the staff to play the kids hungry to play for pride.

SS won the lottery when he got the SU FB job. He wasn't on the radar of any P5 teams when DM left to be a HC. He may have gotten a MAC level type HC in the future but sorry patience won't be acceptable if his record is 13-24 that would be a clear step back from DM.

I said this when we hired SS "He's a nice guy and a father figure. But they had a wonderful architect and they hired the painter to build the next house.

 

[TheCusian]

SS has to win another game this year. @NC State or Boston College are our two best bets. If we can't win beat either of them it is obvious we need a new HC. I don't expect this team to beat Pitt, @ Florida State, @Louisville, Clemson those teams all offensive firepower that our pass D won't be able to stop. Not getting blown out is the objective in those games. The reason that UVA loss is such a killer is that at 4-6 those last games would be huge to keep the kids fired up about getting to a bowl. At 3-7 it will be on the staff to play the kids hungry to play for pride. SS won the lottery when he got the SU FB job. He wasn't on the radar of any P5 teams when DM left to be a HC. He may have gotten a MAC level type HC in the future but sorry patience won't be acceptable if his record is 13-24 that would be a clear step back from DM. I said this when we hired SS "He's a nice guy and a father figure. But they had a wonderful architect and they hired the painter to build the next house.

By advanced metrics our best shot is this weekend. Seems crazy and I'm not sure I'm buying - but we have more of a shot vs Pitt than FSU and Clemson.