Here we go again

[tbonezone]

ok judge me. hey i'm down with frampton. as long as the check clears "baby i love your way".

 

[rrlbees]

Uhh, maybe freedom of the property owner to do whatever the he wants with his property as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others?

Maybe that kind of freedom?

Did I keep someone from selling their tickets? Or maybe your talking about my freedom to say that a season ticket holder should sell to other SU fans.

 

[orange79]

so people who rent out their lakefront cottages to pay taxes should be burned at the stake?

If they sold them to Duke fans, yes.

 

[rrlbees]

So what? They aren't your tickets and you can't dictate your views to others. We are free to do what we want with our tickets and can sell them to whoever we want...

Did I dictate something? I believe I gave my opinion that some of these people aren't real SU fans.

 

[GoSU96]

if you're buying season tickets you can't afford then I see that as the real problem and to be honest I can't imagine buying my ticket and only attending a few games because I had to sell the biggest ticket of the season to afford it. No logic there I'm afraid.

There's plenty of logic.

Lots of judgmental BS in this thread.

You also seem to have a profound lack of imagination.

 

[GoSU96]

Did I dictate something? I believe I gave my opinion that some of these people aren't real SU fans.

Really?

 

[Rocketlax44]

Duke has no fans. Carolina had 20x more fans. Fact. Was no problem last night.

 

[rrlbees]

Really?

Really.

"Can't believe the number of SU season ticket holders who chose to support Duke by selling their fans their tickets. You're not real SU fans so stop pretending to be one. "

 

[rrlbees]

Although I usually just lurk, the responses to this thread are annoying.

There is difference between what is your "right" to do as a season ticket holder in a free society and what is the "right" thing to do as a fan of Syracuse sports. Of course everyone has the right to sell their tickets to the highest bidder and make as much money as possible. But if you do sell your tickets to someone who supports the other team, don't call yourself a fan. A fan does everything he can to make sure his/her team wins. And part of that is making sure every seat in the dome is Orange NOT Blue.

Home Court matters. You may not think a few seats matter but JB and the Syracuse players frequently remark about the positive impact of having Orange fans wherever they go. And think about how this board get energized when we hear LGO chants on TV from an opposing arena. Don't you think having supporters of our opponents in the Dome also has an impact?

At the BET last year my son was in the Syracuse student section (tickets cost $10 ea) and 2 students next to him scalped their tickets to G'town fans. My son was rightly appalled. Being a passionate fan should not have a price.
LGO!

Great post. Amazing how people start talking about freedoms, rights, dictating etc. I have those powers? Very cool. There are plenty of ways to seel tickets to an Su fan for a game like this. Every single person knows someone, family, friends, coworkers, etc that would go to the game if possible. There is this board. There is the newspaper, eBay and craigslist where you can require payment and ticket exchange take place face to face in the area, etc. My opinion that these season ticket holders that sold to Duke fans, because they put them on stubhub where it is a blind sale, has zero to do with freedoms, rights or dictating. People just take it that way to try and make their opposite opinion factual in someway.

BTW, congrats on hitting the halftime square.

 

[HastingsCuse]

Thanks! There is big distinction between what you can do and what you should do.

 

[KellySyracuse]

There's plenty of logic.

Lots of judgmental BS in this thread.

You also seem to have a profound lack of imagination.

wrong but you seem to have a profound amount of opinion on the subject.

 

[ORRange]

You might want to re-consider this after you see how tightly controlled Cameron Indoor is. You can't squeeze a mouse into that garage unless it's got a Duke tee shirt. Georgetown ... same way. When they started the gray-out 2 years ago, they actually did "confront" SU fans in the arena to find out how they got in (stub hub traitors and alumni packages).

I don't blame anyone for selling their tickets if they can't attend a game. But taking money from a Dukie is selling out your team. All the people you sit next to have to listen to some blowhard screaming, "yay duke". You might as well spit in their faces, and flip off JB (and the rest of us) while you're at it.

???? Please read my 1st sentence. I did listen to Kansas fans yapping at the 2003 FF, but I sure didn't confront them in regards to who sold them the tickets. It was none of my business and it's also a way to get a fat lip. BTW, there weren't many Duke fans in the dome. It sure wasn't like when the Orange nation invades. Some here are being hypocrites, it's okay for our fanbase to do it but a few hundred Duke fans come to town and it's selling out the team. Like I said, I wouldn't do it but they have an absolute right to give, sell or flush those tickets if they want. They paid for them not us.

 

[690West]

Although I usually just lurk, the responses to this thread are annoying.

There is difference between what is your "right" to do as a season ticket holder in a free society and what is the "right" thing to do as a fan of Syracuse sports. Of course everyone has the right to sell their tickets to the highest bidder and make as much money as possible. But if you do sell your tickets to someone who supports the other team, don't call yourself a fan. A fan does everything he can to make sure his/her team wins. And part of that is making sure every seat in the dome is Orange NOT Blue.

Home Court matters. You may not think a few seats matter but JB and the Syracuse players frequently remark about the positive impact of having Orange fans wherever they go. And think about how this board get energized when we hear LGO chants on TV from an opposing arena. Don't you think having supporters of our opponents in the Dome also has an impact?

At the BET last year my son was in the Syracuse student section (tickets cost $10 ea) and 2 students next to him scalped their tickets to G'town fans. My son was rightly appalled. Being a passionate fan should not have a price.
LGO!

What a great post.

 

[Cuseman78]

Bees, there were like 400 Dukie fans in the whole building. They had no impact on the game whatsoever except they happened to wear the wrong color. If this were a fanbase wide issue where thousands of our fans were selling off tickets and creating a less hostile environment, then maybe we could have a 100 response thread discussion about this. The fan base, from a macro perspective, did a tremendous job last night on all levels. So a couple hundred people took the money and ran. Not a big deal.

 

[Cheriehoop]

so people who rent out their lakefront cottages to pay taxes should be burned at the stake?

If you rent it to a rock band to practice for triple the normal rent- don't be surprised if your lakefront neighbors complain and/or end up ticked off.

That being said despite it being disappointing, it didn't look like many fans did sell to Duke fans as others pointed out. What I found funny is that a couple of the people I personally know who did -live pretty big and don't appear to need the $.

 

[BludOrange]

My personal opinion is that the less opposing fans in our house, the better. I would assume the players feel the same way. It only takes one opposing fan/heckler to get in someone's head and cause them to have a bad night on the court. When we travel, it has an effect on the other team when they walk out of their locker room and on to their home court and see a sea of orange. Some are beat before they even tip it off. Others are beat when their fans are drownded out by a chorus of LGO!!!.

I would like to agree with bees and say you are not a real fan if you are selling your tickets to our opponents, but i can't. There is one thing that is stopping me from agreeing and comes before my rabid passion for Cuse hoops, and that thing is my family. One always has to do what's best for one's family. Circumstancees arise, and sometimes people need money to take care of something more important than a game. I'm no rich man, I could afford season tix in the 3rd tier if i wanted too but feel i would be taking away from my children and could be the difference between them having/living a good life or just an ok one . If I did purchase tix and could get my money back from selling the tickets to one game or even a few and somehow be guaranteed that they were going to cuse fans and not the enemy before ever purchasing, I would. However, I have no Guarantee like that and don't envision one ever coming, so I don't.. I would NOT want some foreigner sitting in MY seat rooting against SU. The same seat where I usualy lose my voice from my constant yelling, screamng and cheering from. The same seat i never sit in, cause i'm always standing and clapping. I'd feel as if i had betrayed JB and the boys, and possibly have helped in them losing. That would kill me. That's just me though and how i operate. I don't expect everyone to have same beliefs and don't hold it aginst anyone for selling their tickets to whoever. Can only ask to try to sell them or give them to a Cuse fan, preferably a rabid one like me.

Maybe some who donate to the program, should donate a portion of it towards buying season tickets and giveing them to crazy rabid fans to help make the Dome a more hostile enviorment for our opponets. Would the program suffer more from, having a lil' less in it's bank account or from a group of fans standing and cheering all game helping to create better home court advantage?

 

[CuseFaninVT]

My sister was at the game on Saturday dressed in all blue, as Duke has been her favorite team since before I was able to really mold her mind the way I should have. But she didn't buy her ticket from some season ticket holder looking to cash in, she sat in the corporate seats her employer allows her to use to entertain clients. This was her third game this year (I think) and of course she rooted for the correct team the first two games.

My point here is that not all of the Duke fans in attendance got their tickets from regular season ticket holders and maybe, just maybe, the admin at the Dome should be looking at their own policies and figuring out how to get tickets into the hands of regular folks who also happen to be rabid fans like us.

And just as an FYI, my sister played point guard in college (small school none of you would know of) and is still the all-time assist leader at the school so she knows a thing or two about hoops.

 

[SUFan44]

The holier than thou act needs to stop.

400 < 35,146.

The vast majority of fans kept their tickets, cheered on their team and were treated to a great game.

The others that didn't were treated to an extra couple hundred bucks - which they probably used to go out and watch the game in Armory Square or a like location. Helping the Syracuse economy.

I was asked outside the dome after I had purchased my 2003 Final Four tickets as a student if I wanted to sell. The guy offered me $1,000 for two. Which as a college student is a ton of money. I declined. And went to the Final Four and had the time of my life.

But I wouldn't vilify someone for selling. That's their right and their choice. And these days it's a heckuva lot easier to do it online and sell to a higher number of people than it is to call up your local buddies and ask if they'd be willing to buy your seats.

Just because you have a problem with it doesn't make it wrong.

 

[Bayside44]

I bought mine on stubhub - end of the day wish I had waited for the SU auction, but that site is far more trustworthy than random Craig's List of whatever else out there. For the purchaser it's a no brainer.

 

[sufandu]

I get what your saying. But, selling on stubhub brings primo $. I think that's the bottom line for people selling. Would locals pony up those prices for tix? Don't know

I think that's his point. A true fan is willing to accept a little less money in exchange for maintaining/enhancing our home court advantage.

 

[Moontan]

if you're buying season tickets you can't afford then I see that as the real problem and to be honest I can't imagine buying my ticket and only attending a few games because I had to sell the biggest ticket of the season to afford it. No logic there I'm afraid.

Really?

By having season tickets in this case:

• you know you'll have a decent seat to games that you choose to go to (hard to do that any other way)
• You (may) have access to tournament tickets (both conference and NCAA) in the SU's section(s)
• You support the athletic department financially, by way of preferred seating and tickets fees

If there was a way to guarantee that a secondary market sale went to an SU fan then that would be great. Unfortunately, there's no real way to do that. The only way to guarantee it is to sell via SyracuseFan.com (which I've done) and take a loss (face value is not the actual ticket cost... but you know that). I also donate some tickets to Big Brothers Big Sisters to help some less fortunate kids enjoy the SU game day experience.

When I sold physical tickets via the secondary market, just about all purchasers were within a 3-hour drive of SU. With electronic ticket delivery I have no idea where the tickets went. Based on previous experience, 90+% of the sales went to SU fans.

The secondary market is a two-way street. I've bought tickets to attend SU away games via the secondary market... along with blocks if 460+ tickets to the SU@GA Tech football game. Imagine if GA Tech didn't allow opposing fans in their stadium... crazy talk!

 

[Moontan]

only attending a few games because I had to sell the biggest ticket of the season to afford it. No logic there I'm afraid.

That sounds like a townie viewpoint.

Please tell me how a distant alumnus/fan should support SU's programs? If your answer is "don't buy season tickets" then you're missing the point.

If your response to distant season ticket holders is "you're a bad fan for selling tickets" then you're way off base. Some of us have traveled quite a bit around the country (and beyond) to support SU's teams.

 

[KellySyracuse]

That sounds like a townie viewpoint.

Please tell me how a distant alumnus/fan should support SU's programs? If your answer is "don't buy season tickets" then you're missing the point.

If your response to distant season ticket holders is "you're a bad fan for selling tickets" then you're way off base. Some of us have traveled quite a bit around the country (and beyond) to support SU's teams.

No where did I say anyone was a bad fan, I just will never understand the logic behind selling tickets to the most anticipated game of the season because you couldn't afford to buy the season tickets in the first place and needed to recoup money. But thanks for taking a "townie" shot at me just the same. Get over yourself

 

[sufandu]

Did I dictate something? I believe I gave my opinion that some of these people aren't real SU fans.

Don't you understand, bees. You have the right to give your opinion as long as it doesn't offend anyone. That's the current state of "freedom".

 

[Moontan]

No where did I say anyone was a bad fan, I just will never understand the logic behind selling tickets to the most anticipated game of the season because you couldn't afford to buy the season tickets in the first place and needed to recoup money. But thanks for taking a "townie" shot at me just the same. Get over yourself

The attitude that you shouldn't sell a ticket because of pricing is just out of whack. For some of us it's a $1,000+ expense to attend a single game. I don't think those in town quite appreciate that fact. Not a shot at townies (I love my townie SU friends), just trying to convey the point that things are quite different for those of us beyond driving distance.