How Doug Marrone became 'The Man Who Left Buffalo'

[Millhouse]

As I am continuing to read the article, I see why they didnt name the assistant earlier... Sorry my blood was fuming after all that.

combine this with the graduation fork story, this story needs a fact check

 

[Statesman1]

Regarding recruiting, I remember Doug once saying he liked the pros better because the guys were fighting for a job and the players did everything they could to make the team so players were self motivated. In the college scene, he said he really didn't mind going into living rooms trying to convince kids & parents that SU was the best place for the kid. What he didn't like were overcoming obstacles with things like being in the BE, attendance, facilities, IPF, SU being a basketball school with the Melo center that were always being used against us.

Shafer & his staff is much better at recruiting but he has fewer obstacles to face than Marrone had - we are in the ACC, we have better facilities including the new IPF but we are still labeled as a bball school and attendance is down. Shafer is very good at motivating college kids but it seems to me he still trying to figure out the finer things like recognition where his kids are especially in the 4th quarter - like when to go for 2 in overtime, clock management, timeouts, going for it on offense vs relying on defense for stops, etc. That's his job to manage the pulse of the team and momentum of the game, not his staff's job and he needs to think this through before the game because we could very well be in it up or down by 1 score in the 4th quarter from here on out.

Coyle was hired with the long term goal to bring back football and has already started to address the attendance problem like they did at Boise with the stakeholder committee they are forming. That is encouraging. The redo of the Dome with emphasis on football game day experience is encouraging too. Simply the emphasis to bring back football is very encouraging. JB won't be here much longer and we don't really know what will happen with bball.

I hope Shafer survives because in my opinion he has the right demeanor to be a really good football HC. He just needs more time.

In other words, except for the game day coaching he's doing a bang-up job?

 

[OrangePA]

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Everyone knew that SP was the real OC and called his own plays. He had Parcells in his corner but he wasn't hot as I recall. I don't think he ever got an interview. He had to get out from under Sean Payton's shadow.

I'm just recalling what Bill Polian and Tim Green said publicly at the time Doug took the SU job.

 

[elimunelson]

He did worry about it.

He was hired by Orthwein, the then owner of the Patriots and became very disillusioned when Robert Kraft bought the team. And he left.

Because of that, he included in his contract with Wayne Huzienga of the Dolphins, the same kind of "out clause" that Marrone had with Ralph Wilson. And when Huzienga sold, Parcells left.

In his most recent memoir Parcells explained in detail why he could not work for an owner who did not hire him.

He became disillusioned during the tenure not when he bought the team. When Parcells signed on w Orthwein he knew something was going to happen. He was either going to move to St Louis or a new owner was going to emerge. That's revisionist history to say otherwise. I have to guess that Parcells would never have coached a game in St. Louis.

Kraft was somewhat new to the NFL game and ruffled Parcells feathers and vice versa. Parcells admits both sides could have handled the situation better.

To full circle it back to Marrone. Parcells during his entire coaching tenure was in demand. Marrone was in demand once and had his bluff called last off season when he didn't get a gig. I suspect he will have to work through the ranks again to get his next gig. Pete Carroll had to spend 3-4 years with the 49'ers before he got his shot w the Patriots.

 

[OrangePA]

He became disillusioned during the tenure not when he bought the team. When Parcells signed on w Orthwein he knew something was going to happen. He was either going to move to St Louis or a new owner was going to emerge. That's revisionist history to say otherwise. I have to guess that Parcells would never have coached a game in St. Louis.

Kraft was somewhat new to the NFL game and ruffled Parcells feathers and vice versa. Parcells admits both sides could have handled the situation better.

To full circle it back to Marrone. Parcells during his entire coaching tenure was in demand. Marrone was in demand once and had his bluff called last off season when he didn't get a gig. I suspect he will have to work through the ranks again to get his next gig. Pete Carroll had to spend 3-4 years with the 49'ers before he got his shot w the Patriots.

I'm not sure you're right about the NE situation.

Read Parcells' recent book.

It explains his concerns about a change of ownership pretty well.

From the Orthwein/Kraft situation, Parcells made sure that he had an out clause with Huzienga.

I believe that prompted Marrone to obtain the same clause in Buffalo.

The demand for Parcells' services or for Marrone's services is not what I'm addressing.

 

[elimunelson]

I'm not sure you're right about the NE situation.

Read Parcells' recent book.

It explains his concerns about a change of ownership pretty well.

From the Orthwein/Kraft situation, Parcells made sure that he had an out clause with Huzienga.

I believe that prompted Marrone to obtain the same clause in Buffalo.

The demand for Parcells' services or for Marrone's services is not what I'm addressing.

It just doesn't add up to when he agreed to come to New England and the tenuous circumstances surrounding the move to St Louis and a potential new owner to stop it.

Marrone was smart and calculating. I applaud him for that. I wish he was back at SU sometimes but life moves on.

 

[OrangePA]

It just doesn't add up to when he agreed to come to New England and the tenuous circumstances surrounding the move to St Louis and a potential new owner to stop it.

Marrone was smart and calculating. I applaud him for that. I wish he was back at SU sometimes but life moves on.

I think for Parcells the issue was power - not the location of the franchise.

 

[Crusty]

I think for Parcells the issue was power - not the location of the franchise.

Agreed. He was smart and calculating, but so are many others at that level of competition. Doug just outsmarted himself and miscalculated at the wrong moment. When you are an opportunist, you have to make the correct calculations or you get flushed.

 

[OrangePA]

Agreed. He was smart and calculating, but so are many others at that level of competition. Doug just outsmarted himself and miscalculated at the wrong moment. When you are an opportunist, you have to make the correct calculations or you get flushed.

I just can't go that far and say that Doug was an "opportunist"

I just don't think that's accurate or fair.

In the end, he may have out smarted himself, but I don't think his motives were sinister.

I think he's a good man. And I would be very happy if he somehow returned to SU as the HC.

 

[Crusty]

I just can't go that far and say that Doug was an "opportunist"

I just don't think that's accurate or fair.

In the end, he may have out smarted himself, but I don't think his motives were sinister.

I think he's a good man. And I would be very happy if he somehow returned to SU as the HC.

Did not say he was a bad guy nor that his motives were sinister. However he is clearly an opportunist IMO. He never stays to finish the jobs he started and he jumped at the first opportunity to leverage a situation. He is short-term greedy, which usually runs its course quickly because it is so transparent to others. I believe that is what happened to him.

Always better to be long-term greedy.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Well

1. We don't know why he left Buffalo and

2. He was offerered one of the 32 best football coaching jobs on the planet in 2012.

 

[Scooch]

Read Parcells' recent book.

In his book did Parcells cop to sabotaging the Pats Super Bowl chances in 1996 when he spent the week before the game trading dozens of phone calls with Jets management?

Because he did.

I think Parcells is one of the greatest football coaches who's ever walked the Earth. His record is practically unassailable. But Bill is about Bill and he has spread a lot of disingenuous stories over the years to make himself either the victim or the hero.

Just sayin'.

 

[SWC75]

I think the "dream job" thing is really his problem more than it's our problem. He keeps looking for a job without problems and disappointments. There isn't one. It would have to be a "dream job" for him to stay. And he's certainly not doing "what's best for his family" if they resent having to move all the time as he pursues his dream.

He's certainly no ogre and isn't an uncaring person,as the Rob Long situation shows. He's a good football coach but he walks out on jobs before they are finished and that's not good. My only problem with the "dream job" comment is that I felt that after introducing himself that way to us, he should have said something when he left about why he was leaving or how this job didn't turn out the way he hoped it did. Just having our coach announced as somebody else's coach at a press conference was quite a shock and we needed something more at that point and didn't get it.

And who knew Bob Casullo was so powerful?

 

[orangenirvana]

Do I still wish he was here? Yep, but I'm also glad he brought Shaf here. Shaf will be our HC for a long time IMO and we can thank Doug for bringing him to us.

 

[ThruWayWest]

http://www.syracuse.com/poliquin/index.ssf/2010/11/bob_casullo_has_been_fired_and.html

HOLY . . . . ! he was fired in the tunnel AFTER the UCONN game. Not a few days later!

From the bottom...this quote made me laugh...it is groudhog day!!!

More Syracuse Orange football news:

Syracuse University coach Doug Marrone: Quarterback Ryan Nassib, young offense need time

 

[OrangePA]

In his book did Parcells cop to sabotaging the Pats Super Bowl chances in 1996 when he spent the week before the game trading dozens of phone calls with Jets management?

Because he did.

I think Parcells is one of the greatest football coaches who's ever walked the Earth. His record is practically unassailable. But Bill is about Bill and he has spread a lot of disingenuous stories over the years to make himself either the victim or the hero.

Just sayin'.

Oh, I don't disagree at all - Bill is about Bill.

I guess that's one of the points I was making - most of these guys - guys like Doug and Bill or Bob Knight - are about themselves.

My only reference to Bill Parcells was - again - to point out that he likely gave Doug Marrone advice - don't work for an owner who did not hire you.

I was not judging the advice - I was not assessing Bill Parcells as a person or his interaction with ownership - I was just noting what I suspect was an explanation for Marrone's insistence upon having an out clause and his decision to take the out.

 

[OrangePA]

Did not say he was a bad guy nor that his motives were sinister. However he is clearly an opportunist IMO. He never stays to finish the jobs he started and he jumped at the first opportunity to leverage a situation. He is short-term greedy, which usually runs its course quickly because it is so transparent to others. I believe that is what happened to him.

Always better to be long-term greedy.

I think he outsmarted himself.

I think he is impatient.

I think he has a thin skin.

I think he lacks a certain degree of maturity.

And, I think he made a bad decision for himself and his family by leaving Syracuse University.

I also think he is a very good football coach who would have had great success on the Hill had he stayed.

I can't call him an opportunist because that to me connotes more negatives than I think are appropriate in this instance.

 

[Crusty]

I think he outsmarted himself.

I think he is impatient.

I think he has a thin skin.

I think he lacks a certain degree of maturity.

And, I think he made a bad decision for himself and his family by leaving Syracuse University.

I also think he is a very good football coach who would have had great success on the Hill had he stayed.

I can't call him an opportunist because that to me connotes more negatives than I think are appropriate in this instance.

Not so bad as you might imagine.
Opportunist
a person who exploits circumstances to gain immediate advantage rather than being guided by consistent principles or plans.

 

[djorange1989]

I think he outsmarted himself.

I think he is impatient.

I think he has a thin skin.

I think he lacks a certain degree of maturity.

And, I think he made a bad decision for himself and his family by leaving Syracuse University.

I also think he is a very good football coach who would have had great success on the Hill had he stayed.

I can't call him an opportunist because that to me connotes more negatives than I think are appropriate in this instance.

The thin skin line is key. We heard the same reasons why he left SU and why he left Buffalo: he didn't feel he got the respect and love he deserved from the fans and the media. Nothing wrong with being a sensitive individual, but he is very very thin skinned in a business where you have to have an armadillo shell. If he had stayed at SU and had learned to do what Coughlin did with the Giants (ease up a bit) then he could have been a huge success as coach here. I don't think that would have happened, however.