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Howard Washington

Alsacs said:
Then our staff unequivocally failed this cycle.
They missed on Green and had no backup. They are scrambling now because of how awful they were recruiting guards this cycle.
We need a 4 year program kid. Grad transfers are not going to happen every year.
If the staff didn't bungle the recruiting like they have Washington wouldn't be necessary. We haven't even locked down Duarte yet and he isn't a PG.
We don't know Ayala will reclassify if he doesn't we have to keep Howard and hope Battle stays.
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No, the staff has not unequivocally failed yet if their strategy was go big or go grad . The grad portion hasn't concluded.

No, we don't need a 4 yr program kid this year. Grad , FH, and Battle could be the main components next year. A 4 yr program kid would be a nice luxury. One that needs to be carefully done while in sanction status.

We don't know if the recruiting has been bungled yet because the strategy of going big or grad isn't over yet. And it certainly doesn't seem like the staff is saying Washington is necessary at this point since he hasn't been offered.
 
newmexicuse said:
Relying on trannies is a very dangerous strategy. Last year we lucked out getting two of the best. No guarantees that would happen again.

Limited scholies ? - Plenty of room at the inn. I want to lock up some kids NOW. This is a kid who appears to want us. Let's stop playing games and take him.
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It may look like plenty of room, but if the 8 that can are still here, that leaves 2 grad trannies needed (the Gillon/White replacements) and just one 4 year program guy. Really not that much room.

And while it seems a dangerous strategy, the idea of having a true frosh (or FH) run the show is even more dangerous.

And while it may seem SU lucked out, the two are really just providing what many expected. And if done again I think JB will bring the transfers up to speed quicker - with roles and responsibilities set - ie they will start from day 1 and they will play the 1 and the 3 respectively, and get them in earlier.
 
Sgt Cuse said:
No, the staff has not unequivocally failed yet if their strategy was go big or go grad . The grad portion hasn't concluded.

No, we don't need a 4 yr program kid this year. Grad , FH, and Battle could be the main components next year. A 4 yr program kid would be a nice luxury. One that needs to be carefully done while in sanction status.

We don't know if the recruiting has been bungled yet because the strategy of going big or grad isn't over yet. And it certainly doesn't seem like the staff is saying Washington is necessary at this point since he hasn't been offered.
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Our staff has given out the max scholarships one time since 2013.
We have had 2 open in 2014.
We had 2 open in 2015.
Last year we used all of the 10 we could.
This year we are using 10 of 11 scholarships.

Our recruiting has been pathetic at filling the roster. Then you get JB saying I wouldn't play Roberson if I had anyone else. JB you did it to yourself.
He is lucky White came that took till the last day it
could.
Our recruiting for a top 10 program has been pathetic. Listen to Francis podcast he outlines it.
 
Sgt Cuse said:
No, the staff has not unequivocally failed yet if their strategy was go big or go grad . The grad portion hasn't concluded.

No, we don't need a 4 yr program kid this year. Grad , FH, and Battle could be the main components next year. A 4 yr program kid would be a nice luxury. One that needs to be carefully done while in sanction status.

We don't know if the recruiting has been bungled yet because the strategy of going big or grad isn't over yet. And it certainly doesn't seem like the staff is saying Washington is necessary at this point since he hasn't been offered.
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FH a main component? Okay, let's just cancel the '17-18 season.
 
Alsacs said:
I would take Washington being a practice body for 2 years and serviceable ACC backup Jr. Year and starter Sr. year over an unknown grad transfer.
The only reason to hold onto scholarships are a talented regular transfer who can help more than just next year and has to sit out. We can't rely on grad transfers because our coaching staff went on all-in and don't get their guy.
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It would also be nice to have a backup PG, that is actually a PG. How many years have we been caught without one?
 
Alsacs said:
Our staff has given out the max scholarships one time since 2013.
We have had 2 open in 2014.
We had 2 open in 2015.
Last year we used all of the 10 we could.
This year we are using 10 of 11 scholarships.

Our recruiting has been pathetic at filling the roster. Then you get JB saying I wouldn't play Roberson if I had anyone else. JB you did it to yourself.
He is lucky White came that took till the last day it
could.
Our recruiting for a top 10 program has been pathetic. Listen to Francis podcast he outlines it.
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Last years recruiting was : Gillon, Battle, AW3, Moyer, and TT (with 7'2" coming in). If that is supposedly "pathetic" sign me up.

If you are going to discount recruits because of "lucky" (AW3) or "desperate" (Gillon) then shouldn't you add back in the unlucky misses of TBryant and QG? You sound ridiculous.
 
Sgt Cuse said:
Last years recruiting was : Gillon, Battle, AW3, Moyer, and TT (with 7'2" coming in). If that is supposedly "pathetic" sign me up.

If you are going to discount recruits because of "lucky" (AW3) or "desperate" (Gillon) then shouldn't you add back in the unlucky misses of TBryant and QG? You sound ridiculous.
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Pathetic at FILLING THE ROSTER do not fit your own narrative.
We have no Juniors and our roster has no depth.
The grad transfers were necessary because we ran off Johnson/Patterson for the benefit of the program getting the penalties started one year earlier.
Our staff hasn't used up all available scholarships but one time of the last 4 years and we have been penalized two of those years that is pathetic.
 
iommi said:
I didn't say that. If FH is a "main component," we will suck.
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I'm with ya on this one. If he's a main cog we're in trouble. If he's here I still haven't given up hope that he can be a serviceable PG. I can't explain the regression as a ball handler/distributor, as he was much better last season in his spot minutes. His ability to score, especially at the rim is really bad and something we definitely cannot rely on!
 
iommi said:
I didn't say that. If FH is a "main component," we will suck.
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I consider the 3rd guard as a main component. FH was the 3rd guard last year during the FF run and is the 3rd guard this year for another potential FF run. If he is the 3rd guard again next year, it doesn't mean we will suck.

As for Washington, if he came he would be the 4th guard. That is generally just developmental here. It's nice to have but not in the same stratosphere of importance for next year as the level of grad we get to run the show.
 
Funk Doc said:
I'm with ya on this one. If he's a main cog we're in trouble. If he's here I still haven't given up hope that he can be a serviceable PG. I can't explain the regression as a ball handler/distributor, as he was much better last season in his spot minutes. His ability to score, especially at the rim is really bad and something we definitely cannot rely on!
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I would hate to have to count on frank, but on the other hand many players have made soph to junior year leaps & he should not be counted out. The first key for Frank is mental -he has to accept that he just isn't a natural scorer. I think Laz Sims should be his role model.
 
newmexicuse said:
I would hate to have to count on frank, but on the other hand many players have made soph to junior year leaps & he should not be counted out. The first key for Frank is mental -he has to accept that he just isn't a natural scorer. I think Laz Sims should be his role model.
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Yeah. He has shown flashes of what he capable of. There were many more last season. You're right though, completely mental. Maybe just not ready to be the guy running the show. G and TC did it last year and now he needs to figure out how to do. I agree with you though, I hope he's not the only option, but if he figures it out, we could do a heck of a lot worse.
 
SoBeCuse said:
No hate at all of course just seeing what we see.
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I see a Sophomore who is progressing. While fans hope for a guard who goes in the lottery after two years, or less like we have been spoiled with. In 19 minutes against L'Ville he looked pretty good to me. But, let's shove him out after two years. Next year he will be huge for us, but I guess a freshman would do better.

We need to add more, obviously. Frank doesn't need to be pushed out though. Man, people seem to forget the days of players developing throughout their time.

Some of you are so full of hate. I can't wait until Frank is leading us, and you have to eat crow. He isn't Kaleb. He just needs a bit more time,
 
I have no idea on the mindset of Frank Howard but body language indicates it will be a very similar situation to Joseph, Johnson, Patterson, there's 0 confidence and when you're looking over your shoulder after one bad play it continues to add up and it finally has gotten to the point where Frank should move on as I think he could be a much better player in a smaller program and Cuse benefits from the open spot IF we can actually fill the spot, it's a win win scenario for Frank and SU IMO but who knows the actual story. Like others have mentioned it's completely mental and for some kids that's 20x more difficult to deal with then having to deal with physical problems.
 
JLine said:
I see a Sophomore who is progressing. While fans hope for a guard who goes in the lottery after two years, or less like we have been spoiled with. In 19 minutes against L'Ville he looked pretty good to me. But, let's shove him out after two years. Next year he will be huge for us, but I guess a freshman would do better.

We need to add more, obviously. Frank doesn't need to be pushed out though. Man, people seem to forget the days of players developing throughout their time.

Some of you are so full of hate. I can't wait until Frank is leading us, and you have to eat crow. He isn't Kaleb. He just needs a bit more time,
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Some people need to look back at the career arc of Allen Griffin. Or Z Sims. Or even MCW from freshman to sophomore year. Progress isn't always linear.
 
RICuse44 said:
Some people need to look back at the career arc of Allen Griffin. Or Z Sims. Or even MCW from freshman to sophomore year. Progress isn't always linear.
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While I agree with you completely on the idea your expressing I'm not sure MCW is as good of an example as the others you expressed. He didn't play much as a freshman simply because he was buried on the depth chart behind adequate upperclassmen, and wasn't/still isn't a good shooter.
 
Sgt Cuse said:
I consider the 3rd guard as a main component. FH was the 3rd guard last year during the FF run and is the 3rd guard this year for another potential FF run. If he is the 3rd guard again next year, it doesn't mean we will suck.

As for Washington, if he came he would be the 4th guard. That is generally just developmental here. It's nice to have but not in the same stratosphere of importance for next year as the level of grad we get to run the show.
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Oh, if you consider the 3rd guard a main component then that is a different perspective from where I thought you were going. You listed only three players as main components (including Frank), so I had to assume you meant Frank would be one of our top options. I don't get it though, how is a 3rd guard a main component? I guess you consider players 1-10 to be main components?
 
Funk Doc said:
Yeah. He has shown flashes of what he capable of. There were many more last season. You're right though, completely mental. Maybe just not ready to be the guy running the show. G and TC did it last year and now he needs to figure out how to do. I agree with you though, I hope he's not the only option, but if he figures it out, we could do a heck of a lot worse.
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Elvir Ovcina showed flashes of a three point shot, never thought he'd be a capable deep threat.

I think FH made a lot of simple passes look more difficult than they had to be and people looked at that as "vision". G wasn't a good point guard but he was light years better than anything I've seen from FH.
 
JLine said:
I see a Sophomore who is progressing. While fans hope for a guard who goes in the lottery after two years, or less like we have been spoiled with. In 19 minutes against L'Ville he looked pretty good to me. But, let's shove him out after two years. Next year he will be huge for us, but I guess a freshman would do better.

We need to add more, obviously. Frank doesn't need to be pushed out though. Man, people seem to forget the days of players developing throughout their time.

Some of you are so full of hate. I can't wait until Frank is leading us, and you have to eat crow. He isn't Kaleb. He just needs a bit more time,
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He's had just as much time if not more than Kaleb. There is far more into the story about Frank that goes beyond just the basketball court and I think it's left a bitter taste in many people's mouths including mine. Even if he does well he has still cost us.
 
Alsacs said:
If people knew what Howard did they wouldn't want him back. I am glad it has never been said on the board but the kid hurt the program.
I don't want him back but if the staff keeps him it means they are more forgiving than me or they can't replace the guy.
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That's how I feel. Trying to put the program in front of my own feelings on this one.
 
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