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Oh, please. "Play calling" is what fans whine about when they mean "poor execution.".

Click management?!? That's what your takeaway from today's performance was?

Massive OL injuries, Tommy playing below his rating, and drops were the issue today. Period. The score was 6-7 midway through the third quarter, when we'd forced three turnovers. Let's discuss why that was the case, instead of clock management.

The reason it was 7-6 was because of all the issues I outlined instead of 21 or 24-7. We got three turnovers including a gift deep in UNC territory and scored a total of 6 pts. Which included the end of the half fiasco when we ran 30 seconds off the clock versus calling a TO. If you can't see how Bad Babers is with clock management your watching a different team.

We ran Jordan our speed rb up the middle with no fb how many times on first down?

The issue isn't poor execution when u call two dives inside the 5 to your rb averaging about a yard a carry and then roll Devito out to the short side of the field on 3rd and goal that had zero chance of being successful. Redzone playcalling was abysmal last year and looked just as bad today.

The D was good or really great today before the 4th but the fact it was 7-6 in the third is pointless when you lose by 25
 
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Dino Babers

We’ve played one game we don’t even know if we’re bad yet. We were a blown up punter and whiffed touchdown pass away from being in control of the game against a ranked team today.

Let’s maybe wait until we play a home game to punt on the season

this. I was encouraged by the D after 3Q. The O was rough but I saw some signs. TD throwing the ball away and taking sacks were not good signs tho
 
this. I was encouraged by the D after 3Q. The O was rough but I saw some signs. TD throwing the ball away and taking sacks were not good signs tho

The D was good. Good speed and not a lot of mental errors or blown assignments. If most of the starters stay healthy they could put up some quality performances.
 
The reason it was 7-6 was because of all the issues I outlined instead of 21 or 24-7. We got three turnovers including a gift deep in UNC territory and scored a total of 6 pts. Which included the end of the half fiasco when we ran 30 seconds off the clock versus calling a TO. If you can't see how Bad Babers is with clock management your watching a different team.

We ran Jordan our speed rb up the middle with no fb how many times on first down?

The issue isn't poor execution when u call two dives inside the 5 to your rb averaging about a yard a carry and then roll Devito out to the short side of the field on 3rd and goal that had zero chance of being successful. Redzone playcalling was abysmal last year and looked just as bad today.

The D was good or really great today before the 4th but the fact it was 7-6 in the third is pointless when you lose by 24.

31-6=25, but otherwise...

 
We don't need to be competing for ACC titles. Getting to Bowls is good enough. Why can't we be Wake or BC with the right HC? Is that asking too much?
Yes, it is asking too much. Many of the athletes we compete against are jocks with little interest in academics. We need to be attractive to these players. We need to spend money on player oriented facilities that appeal to this type of player. Show them that we are serious about becoming big boys. We are out talented and there is no inexpensive fix. it will take a big financial commitment for us to get out of the cellar, regardless of who the coach is. A new coach is fools gold. The problem is that we are not an attractive destination for the quality and quantity of talent that we need to move up the food chain. Basketball works because JB established a reputation. Football has to take a different route.
 
lets not act like he didnt call his own number instead of another player that would have scored as well
He had the most confidence in himself. I think if we looked at how often various players got stuffed at the goalline, we would have found his reasoning was sound.
 
Chance Amie?

the guy who can’t win a JUCO or community colllege starting QB job?
That guy?

Child, please.

IF he went someplace else, and did, well - ANYTHING AT ALL -
maybe, MAYBE this would be valid.

(hint - it’s not remotely valid.)
The validity stems from a lack of dual-threat qb (and I'm not talking specifically about Chance) who could have challenged Devito and offer a skillset (i.e., legit running threat, extend plays with legs) to counter some of the offense's weaknesses. Dungey was a dual-threat and we never replaced him. I acknowledge finding a good qb isn't dime-a-dozen, but the cupboard has been bare for awhile. Tommy is tough and a pocket passer, but his pocket presence and our o-line aren't great. I don't think he's particularly accurate in the pocket, but for any of our qbs to have a chance we need to move the pocket, bootlegs to tight end etc. The slant seemed to be the only pass we could complete today.

Our head coach is from the offensive side of the ball and supposed to be innovative, but our offense remains anything but and predictable. Whatever happened to 'Orange is the new fast'? This game and others were calling for a change of tempo. Go into a two-minute offense to see what it can spark. Did we even attempt a running back screen? What's up with two runs inside the tackles inside the 5 when it never worked despite doing over and over again?

In this current climate it is hard to see us making a head coaching change, but Steve Addazio would be my pick if/when we do. I'm still surprised Boston College let him go. He's in his first season at Colorado State and I think we could get him considering.
 
Redzone playcalling was abysmal last year and looked just as bad today.

Red zone scoring (TD’s) and 3rd down % on offense and defense have been some of the worst in the country 4/5 years. But don’t worry, when Babers gets his recruits here and they learn the system things are going to turn around. Just need 3 more years. This year doesn’t count b/c SU FB is impacted by Corona.
 
Honest question... Does anyone see us being considerably better next year? What 'cruts do we have coming in that are game changers? By this point Devito is who he is. The line is going to lose some seniors. Do we call it rebuilding again next year? At some point we need to call a spade a spade and move on. Maybe I'm jaded because I just watched a HB dive on every single first play of the drive today. But this is where Wildhack is going to earn his paycheck. FB drives the bus, so do we make the change sooner or later.
I may be wrong on this, but I was under the impression this was a free year and everyone can come back. If so, I think few would leave as we don't have anyone other than Cisco that could play in the NFL next year. As Dino has said in the past, once your college eligibility is used up, few play competitively again. Why give that up. An additional year to play football and receive an education to complete your degree or start graduate classes. Sign me up.
 
The reason it was 7-6 was because of all the issues I outlined instead of 21 or 24-7. We got three turnovers including a gift deep in UNC territory and scored a total of 6 pts. Which included the end of the half fiasco when we ran 30 seconds off the clock versus calling a TO. If you can't see how Bad Babers is with clock management your watching a different team.

We ran Jordan our speed rb up the middle with no fb how many times on first down?

The issue isn't poor execution when u call two dives inside the 5 to your rb averaging about a yard a carry and then roll Devito out to the short side of the field on 3rd and goal that had zero chance of being successful. Redzone playcalling was abysmal last year and looked just as bad today.

The D was good or really great today before the 4th but the fact it was 7-6 in the third is pointless when you lose by 25

Clock management again -- oy vey.

I would have liked to see those first three quarters with Dakota Davis starting, instead of someone else. Then I wonder if those two dives up the middle might have sprung, or whether we would have gotten any more push. Maybe if we'd had either of the two RBs who opted out, we would have been able to capitalize on those short fields we had in the first half, and changed the complexion of the game and put pressure on UNC by playing from ahead, instead of going out on downs and being unable to capitalize.

I would have liked to see what this lineup might look like with a fifth year senior like Sam Heckel or Liam O'Sullivan who were both medically disqualified, or maybe Tyrone Sampson inside, who might have countered the massive injuries we've had this year on the interior OL. We've really had tremendously bad luck, in a multi-dimensional bunch of ways at OL these last three years.

I would have liked to see what those inside runs might have looked like with Jarveon Howard inside the 5 instead of a 175 running back like Jordan -- who I still think is going to have a tremendous career here, and be a difference making weapon -- but isn't going to be effective running inside behind a line that can't hold up at the point of attack and open holes due to injuries compromising the interior OL.

I would have liked to see us play with tempo, but you have to be able to execute and move the sticks in order to have that work in your favor, which doesn't happen due to all of the above. I would have liked for the offense to support the quality effort from the defense in the first three quarters and to put points up to put pressure on the opposition.

I think you are right about DeVito -- I'm not sure that as a fourth year junior that he's showing that he has the chops to be a difference maker. Maybe he will disprove that once Dakota and others return from injury. But without an improved group up front, we're going nowhere. I really like what we have in the pipeline at OL, not just in the class of 2021, but last year's group. But we really, really, really need both Davis's, Red, etc. back.

And I agree with PhatO below -- a dual threat QB changes everything, and Lamson is that guy.
 
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He’s an offensive coach. Why is it our d is recruiting increasingly well, but we can’t get guys on O? Our O recruits are pretty good, but we’ve not seen the needle move to “improving” on that end

D has better recruiters. I’m not sure lynch has recruited anyone in 5 years. Then we lost Lewis and punted McCloud. We have Ferri, Cav, Lustig, they’re ok, Cavs got some lineman this year. But we need better from all 4. Too early to judge Gilbert on that front. I think I’d go find a RB or WR coach from Florida. Add some cache on that side of the ball. Lynch has to be on the clock. I was surprised he survived the winter chopping block.
 
lets not act like he didnt call his own number instead of another player that would have scored as well
How do you know that? Even if true, the threat of Dungey may have been what let the other player score.
Dungey was the unquestioned leader of the team of course he gets the bulk bulk of the credit as QBs often do. It’s not a slap in anyone else’s face.
 
We're going to lose a bunch of guys on defense but should return almost everyone on offense
Surely thats a set up for blazing success. Can't wait.
 
I may be wrong on this, but I was under the impression this was a free year and everyone can come back. If so, I think few would leave as we don't have anyone other than Cisco that could play in the NFL next year. As Dino has said in the past, once your college eligibility is used up, few play competitively again. Why give that up. An additional year to play football and receive an education to complete your degree or start graduate classes. Sign me up.
I think Trill could play in the NFL next year. There’s a reason his name wasn’t heard today, UNC was definitely avoiding him. Because he might be (probably is) a better all-around player than Cisco
 
And I think we just need to start out-toughing teams. Dive didn't work on 1st and 2nd down? Run it again! Screw talent. Need tougher players. Lift weights? Nah. Drink motor oil. Get tough.
 
And I think we just need to start out-toughing teams. Dive didn't work on 1st and 2nd down? Run it again! Screw talent. Need tougher players. Lift weights? Nah. Drink motor oil. Get tough.
This team could easily go 2-9 or 1-10.
 

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