I feel bad...

[Cowtown]

If you dont get angry, then you arent even a fan.

Angry? Over a game? Really? It's not supposed to be your validation as a man, you know? :noidea:

 

[br801]

I'm tired of hearing about the hardworking Cooney personally. As hard as everyone here claims he works, you'd think he'd actually progress over the last 4 years. He simply hasn't. He's the same exact player today that he was at the end of his sophomore season. If he's truly working that hard and this is the result, then someone should have redirected him along the way, which comes down to the coaching staff not doing their damned jobs.

And I swear to Christ, if Cooney ends up on the staff at SU, I'm DONE.

Damn, I can't even tell if that's parody or not. The hour is getting late on this thread.

 

[CaptainJ]

Some CRAZY stuff on here recently. The kids gave their all and it likely wasn't good enough to earn a dance bid. It sucks but its sucks for them more than it does for me as a fan. I don't make the sacrifices that these kids make to play (yes...I know they get a free education and likely get all the a@# they could ask for while on campus).

Ultimately the coaches are responsible for the roster. Yes, I've heard all the arguments about early player departures and how it has impacted the program. While that is true it does not absolve them for the recent results we have witnessed. So personally my venom will be directed at the coaching staff and NOT the players.

Is that level of rationality and emotional self control allowed on here? I think you hit a point that a lot of folks seemed to forget about. I wouldnt mind if the presser and post game interview had it's own thread that we could reply to(and that likely would get more views), so that folks could have seen their faces and listened to their voices as they answered questions at a time when they may have felt like remaining quiet. I imagine it's not easy processing those emotions and trying to look cordial to reporters while Christian White is getting naked behind you.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Damn, I can't even tell if that's parody or not. The hour is getting late on this thread.

No, I just watched the game, and I'm totally serious. Besides figuring out how to step into passing lanes (often putting himself out of position if he didn't get the steal), what exactly have you seen him progress on? His first shot tonight pretty much said it all. Completely drifting to his left and he got lucky. But the fact is that that was a terrible shot. You don't bank a shot in from that angle, intentionally. He's got a bad handle, can't feed the post or the roller on PNR to save his life, has a really weak pull-up jumper on the rare occasion he does get by his man, and can't finish on a fast break. In fact, he's gotten much worse on the last one. I remember he used to actually dunk the ball, but I can't remember a single dunk this year.

So what would you classify as an improvement?

 

[Ghost]

Can we all just admit that if Cooney wasn't "a coach on the floor" type player so to speak, we would call him an enigma, everyone would make fun of him of a little bit, like Roberson, and everyone would be okay with it.

 

[CaptainJ]

This isn't true.

I watch every game and go when I can. If we had gone to Providence, I'd be there. If we were in Brooklyn, I'd be there. If we were in Philly, I'd be there. And if we went to Houston, I'd be there. If we make the NIT semis, I'll be there.

I'll put my fandom up against just about anybody's.

I am very disappointed right now because March Madness is my favorite sporting event and it just isn't the same if we aren't in it.

But, I don't get angry. I don't get angry at players. I don't get angry at coaches.

My enjoyment is the journey, regardless of where it ends.

Granted, that enjoyment is much higher when it finishes in Boston (2012) or Atlanta (2013) rather than the NIT or nowhere (2015) but it is still about the journey rather than the destination.

I say this with sincerity, but you've become one of my favorite posters in the course of a day, and given me a goal to shoot for. I'd like to have that level of self control, and agree. I may even erase some of my edgier sounding posts being I got to this thread a bit late anyhow.

I think it's part of our modern American culture that anger is used as a measure in more things than necessary, and I myself find reminders beneficial. A lot of it becomes conditioning, and at that point it seems to take active work to change. Anyhow, I best be quiet before I get mocked or seem insincere.

 

[br801]

No, I just watched the game, and I'm totally serious. Besides figuring out how to step into passing lanes (often putting himself out of position if he didn't get the steal), what exactly have you seen him progress on? His first shot tonight pretty much said it all. Completely drifting to his left and he got lucky. But the fact is that that was a terrible shot. You don't bank a shot in from that angle, intentionally. He's got a bad handle, can't feed the post or the roller on PNR to save his life, has a really weak pull-up jumper on the rare occasion he does get by his man, and can't finish on a fast break. In fact, he's gotten much worse on the last one. I remember he used to actually dunk the ball, but I can't remember a single dunk this year.

So what would you classify as an improvement?

Jesus, I didn't think I was defending him or his career. Your post just seemed out of character. I get that emotions are running high, though. From my perspective, there were many reasons for today's loss, so I'm not going to dwell on this performance and the final sequence.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Jesus, I didn't think I was defending him or his career. Your post just seemed out of character. I get that emotions are running high, though. From my perspective, there were many reasons for today's loss, so I'm not going to dwell on the final sequence.

No, you're right, and I wasn't really talking about today's game as a whole. JB put him in a tough spot at the end, which makes you wonder if JB has a blind spot for the kid. Actually, check that, clearly JB has a blind spot for the kid.

I'm just tired of some of the narratives here.

 

[CaptainJ]

No, I just watched the game, and I'm totally serious. Besides figuring out how to step into passing lanes (often putting himself out of position if he didn't get the steal), what exactly have you seen him progress on? His first shot tonight pretty much said it all. Completely drifting to his left and he got lucky. But the fact is that that was a terrible shot. You don't bank a shot in from that angle, intentionally. He's got a bad handle, can't feed the post or the roller on PNR to save his life, has a really weak pull-up jumper on the rare occasion he does get by his man, and can't finish on a fast break. In fact, he's gotten much worse on the last one. I remember he used to actually dunk the ball, but I can't remember a single dunk this year.

So what would you classify as an improvement?

I know some on here disagree, but I think #2 in the ACC in steals is an improvement.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I know some on here disagree, but I think #2 in the ACC in steals is an improvement.

That's the stepping into passing lanes I was talking about. That also doesn't require all the 'hard work' we've heard about. That just requires getting smarter.

 

[Flacusian]

Thank you Trevor Cooney for all that you contributed to our program. Thank you for enduring all of the criticism which has been heaped upon you by grown people who don't have the grace to act with even a shred of dignity when a college basketball team that they more than likely live vicariously through in an all too serious fashion loses a big game.

Forgive them since they are constitutionally incapable of appreciating the fact that although you weren't able to live up to their lofty expectations it doesn't mean that you didn't give all of yourself to the best of your ability in an effort to make our proud program a winner.

I appreciate the fact that you were called upon to carry a burden which was well beyond what you perhaps should have been asked to assume. I watched as you struggled mightily, running frantically in a blur of twisting and turning with someone invariably in hot pursuit having been instructed to not let you get even the most remote peek at an open look.

And after several minutes your stalking personal assassin would be relieved by a fresh set of legs and 2 fresh lungs not heaving in an effort to supply their cramping muscles with oxygen. Oh, I'm sure you could have used a breather... but there was almost never a blow on the bench to catch your breath. And yes, we all know that college athletes don't need a rest. If they are conditioned properly they can go all game. (How many other guys are having to run around like a sh&% house rat being chased by a farmcat?)

I also feel for having lost your best friend. Do you even remember him? He was with you when you arrived here. Your best friend was your shot. It was a thing of beauty when you got here. Oh how people raved about how you were a bigger better version of the Scranton Idol GMAC. GMAC himself raved about how you were the best shooter he had ever seen. But then it began... eventually you became relied upon as the ONLY 3 point threat for the ORANGE. And it was a well kept secret...NOT. Everyone was ready for you. They were going to cover you like white on rice. And your best friend was only fleetingly seen... as you found yourself having to compromise the things that all good shooters know cannot be compromised. You would have to shoot fading away, have to shoot leaning on the move, have to shoot with being double covered, have to shoot when everyone KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SHOOT. Having to shoot when you were so red in the face it looked like you were ready to stroke out.

And I'm sorry that so many supposed Syracuse fans were always ready to criticize you and constantly complain that you weren't good enough, fast enough, reliable enough. JB continued to ask you to carry the weight and you watched other players come and go. Suddenly you looked around and saw that you were the last man standing.

I'm also sorry that while you were here you had to live through some terrible crap that went down with the program. Accusations that one of your coaches was a pedophile which came from a former ball boy. All of the circus which ensued and robbed the team of the focus which they so desparately needed. You had to play your entire career with the spectre of a NCAA investigation hovering over the program and the uncertainty as to when the other shoe would fall. I'm sorry that through none of your doing you had to endure a year in which Syracuse self imposed a post season ban which robbed you of the opportunity to do something in the post season.

And I feel that as a result of much of what I've mentioned things culminated toward today when you were asked to sit humbly on the bench as your team struggled to win a game that they seemingly need to qualify for the dance. In the end, I don't think it's all your fault that you were wore out. Perhaps physically, mentally, and spiritually at this point. I really felt the hurt you must have been feeling while you were sitting there next to JB. God, if ever there was a moment that you had been waiting for your whole career... this was it during todays game trying desperately to salvage what was beginning to look like a late season swoon by the team. You wanted to be out there... you should have been out there... yet there you were with the eyes of all of the Orange fandom upon you... on the bench.

That sucked. And I am one who thinks you were ridden too hard for too long and too much was expected of you. You weren't the only one missing shots this year. God we all know that.
And I also feel bad that the final shot was thrust upon you and I'll always remember how the rest of the team looked so detached from that last play that it was almost impossible to believe. Nobody tried to clear out for you, nobody raced down to set a pick, nobody raced down to get into position to possibly tip it in if it started to rim out. In the end


It was just Trevor Cooney alone


but you weren't alone kid. I was cheering for you regardless and wanted that shot to go in so so so badly. Not just for me and for Syracuse. But for a kid who gave so much for so long and still there are those who think he didn't give enough.

You gave it all. And I thank you and you will always be one of my favorites for carrying the Orange banner longer than anyone else during what has been one of the most difficult periods in the Boeheim era. And regardless of anything else. You have got my respect for what you brought to this program. The team may not have won today...

But Trevor Cooney... you will always be a winner.

Thank you!

 

[CaptainJ]

Thank you Trevor Cooney for all that you contributed to our program. Thank you for enduring all of the criticism which has been heaped upon you by grown people who don't have the grace to act with even a shred of dignity when a college basketball team that they more than likely live vicariously through in an all too serious fashion loses a big game.

Forgive them since they are constitutionally incapable of appreciating the fact that although you weren't able to live up to their lofty expectations it doesn't mean that you didn't give all of yourself to the best of your ability in an effort to make our proud program a winner.

I appreciate the fact that you were called upon to carry a burden which was well beyond what you perhaps should have been asked to assume. I watched as you struggled mightily, running frantically in a blur of twisting and turning with someone invariably in hot pursuit having been instructed to not let you get even the most remote peek at an open look.

And after several minutes your stalking personal assassin would be relieved by a fresh set of legs and 2 fresh lungs not heaving in an effort to supply their cramping muscles with oxygen. Oh, I'm sure you could have used a breather... but there was almost never a blow on the bench to catch your breath. And yes, we all know that college athletes don't need a rest. If they are conditioned properly they can go all game. (How many other guys are having to run around like a sh&% house rat being chased by a farmcat?)

I also feel for having lost your best friend. Do you even remember him? He was with you when you arrived here. Your best friend was your shot. It was a thing of beauty when you got here. Oh how people raved about how you were a bigger better version of the Scranton Idol GMAC. GMAC himself raved about how you were the best shooter he had ever seen. But then it began... eventually you became relied upon as the ONLY 3 point threat for the ORANGE. And it was a well kept secret...NOT. Everyone was ready for you. They were going to cover you like white on rice. And your best friend was only fleetingly seen... as you found yourself having to compromise the things that all good shooters know cannot be compromised. You would have to shoot fading away, have to shoot leaning on the move, have to shoot with being double covered, have to shoot when everyone KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SHOOT. Having to shoot when you were so red in the face it looked like you were ready to stroke out.

And I'm sorry that so many supposed Syracuse fans were always ready to criticize you and constantly complain that you weren't good enough, fast enough, reliable enough. JB continued to ask you to carry the weight and you watched other players come and go. Suddenly you looked around and saw that you were the last man standing.

I'm also sorry that while you were here you had to live through some terrible crap that went down with the program. Accusations that one of your coaches was a pedophile which came from a former ball boy. All of the circus which ensued and robbed the team of the focus which they so desparately needed. You had to play your entire career with the spectre of a NCAA investigation hovering over the program and the uncertainty as to when the other shoe would fall. I'm sorry that through none of your doing you had to endure a year in which Syracuse self imposed a post season ban which robbed you of the opportunity to do something in the post season.

And I feel that as a result of much of what I've mentioned things culminated toward today when you were asked to sit humbly on the bench as your team struggled to win a game that they seemingly need to qualify for the dance. In the end, I don't think it's all your fault that you were wore out. Perhaps physically, mentally, and spiritually at this point. I really felt the hurt you must have been feeling while you were sitting there next to JB. God, if ever there was a moment that you had been waiting for your whole career... this was it during todays game trying desperately to salvage what was beginning to look like a late season swoon by the team. You wanted to be out there... you should have been out there... yet there you were with the eyes of all of the Orange fandom upon you... on the bench.

That sucked. And I am one who thinks you were ridden too hard for too long and too much was expected of you. You weren't the only one missing shots this year. God we all know that.
And I also feel bad that the final shot was thrust upon you and I'll always remember how the rest of the team looked so detached from that last play that it was almost impossible to believe. Nobody tried to clear out for you, nobody raced down to set a pick, nobody raced down to get into position to possibly tip it in if it started to rim out. In the end


It was just Trevor Cooney alone


but you weren't alone kid. I was cheering for you regardless and wanted that shot to go in so so so badly. Not just for me and for Syracuse. But for a kid who gave so much for so long and still there are those who think he didn't give enough.

You gave it all. And I thank you and you will always be one of my favorites for carrying the Orange banner longer than anyone else during what has been one of the most difficult periods in the Boeheim era. And regardless of anything else. You have got my respect for what you brought to this program. The team may not have won today...

But Trevor Cooney... you will always be a winner.

Thank you!

Man, you're one of the posters I've missed the most this season. I'm a bit jealous of your way with words. The part I highlighted seems to say it all, whether it's that play, the board's reaction to the game, or the reaction to this season. The guy seems like a lightening rod. I imagine TC would rank highly on the list of most polarizing players in team history, on this board.

That line also reminds me of the Metallica song, "One", especially with the line from the movie in it that each man must die alone. It kind of felt like a fitting end to Cooney's career in the eyes of this board. Reminds me likewise of the song at the end of O Brother Where Art Thou. Even though hoops and life may be a team sport, in the end we all walk the long road alone.

 

[bballbeadle]

Thank you Trevor Cooney for all that you contributed to our program. Thank you for enduring all of the criticism which has been heaped upon you by grown people who don't have the grace to act with even a shred of dignity when a college basketball team that they more than likely live vicariously through in an all too serious fashion loses a big game.

Forgive them since they are constitutionally incapable of appreciating the fact that although you weren't able to live up to their lofty expectations it doesn't mean that you didn't give all of yourself to the best of your ability in an effort to make our proud program a winner.

I appreciate the fact that you were called upon to carry a burden which was well beyond what you perhaps should have been asked to assume. I watched as you struggled mightily, running frantically in a blur of twisting and turning with someone invariably in hot pursuit having been instructed to not let you get even the most remote peek at an open look.

And after several minutes your stalking personal assassin would be relieved by a fresh set of legs and 2 fresh lungs not heaving in an effort to supply their cramping muscles with oxygen. Oh, I'm sure you could have used a breather... but there was almost never a blow on the bench to catch your breath. And yes, we all know that college athletes don't need a rest. If they are conditioned properly they can go all game. (How many other guys are having to run around like a sh&% house rat being chased by a farmcat?)

I also feel for having lost your best friend. Do you even remember him? He was with you when you arrived here. Your best friend was your shot. It was a thing of beauty when you got here. Oh how people raved about how you were a bigger better version of the Scranton Idol GMAC. GMAC himself raved about how you were the best shooter he had ever seen. But then it began... eventually you became relied upon as the ONLY 3 point threat for the ORANGE. And it was a well kept secret...NOT. Everyone was ready for you. They were going to cover you like white on rice. And your best friend was only fleetingly seen... as you found yourself having to compromise the things that all good shooters know cannot be compromised. You would have to shoot fading away, have to shoot leaning on the move, have to shoot with being double covered, have to shoot when everyone KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SHOOT. Having to shoot when you were so red in the face it looked like you were ready to stroke out.

And I'm sorry that so many supposed Syracuse fans were always ready to criticize you and constantly complain that you weren't good enough, fast enough, reliable enough. JB continued to ask you to carry the weight and you watched other players come and go. Suddenly you looked around and saw that you were the last man standing.

I'm also sorry that while you were here you had to live through some terrible crap that went down with the program. Accusations that one of your coaches was a pedophile which came from a former ball boy. All of the circus which ensued and robbed the team of the focus which they so desparately needed. You had to play your entire career with the spectre of a NCAA investigation hovering over the program and the uncertainty as to when the other shoe would fall. I'm sorry that through none of your doing you had to endure a year in which Syracuse self imposed a post season ban which robbed you of the opportunity to do something in the post season.

And I feel that as a result of much of what I've mentioned things culminated toward today when you were asked to sit humbly on the bench as your team struggled to win a game that they seemingly need to qualify for the dance. In the end, I don't think it's all your fault that you were wore out. Perhaps physically, mentally, and spiritually at this point. I really felt the hurt you must have been feeling while you were sitting there next to JB. God, if ever there was a moment that you had been waiting for your whole career... this was it during todays game trying desperately to salvage what was beginning to look like a late season swoon by the team. You wanted to be out there... you should have been out there... yet there you were with the eyes of all of the Orange fandom upon you... on the bench.

That sucked. And I am one who thinks you were ridden too hard for too long and too much was expected of you. You weren't the only one missing shots this year. God we all know that.
And I also feel bad that the final shot was thrust upon you and I'll always remember how the rest of the team looked so detached from that last play that it was almost impossible to believe. Nobody tried to clear out for you, nobody raced down to set a pick, nobody raced down to get into position to possibly tip it in if it started to rim out. In the end


It was just Trevor Cooney alone


but you weren't alone kid. I was cheering for you regardless and wanted that shot to go in so so so badly. Not just for me and for Syracuse. But for a kid who gave so much for so long and still there are those who think he didn't give enough.

You gave it all. And I thank you and you will always be one of my favorites for carrying the Orange banner longer than anyone else during what has been one of the most difficult periods in the Boeheim era. And regardless of anything else. You have got my respect for what you brought to this program. The team may not have won today...

But Trevor Cooney... you will always be a winner.

Thank you!

WOW. Just WOW.

Thank you for that compassion. Although I have been as frustrated and disappointed as anyone by the last 2 1/2 years, ultimately my strongest feeling is sadness for the players, who certainly must take these types of losses/seasons far worse than I do. I woke up this morning, felt my heart aching, had to think for a few seconds, then remembered, "Crap! We lost that game." So, I've been feeling mopey all morning. But soon I'll get ready for work, and then I'll think about my upcoming trip to NC, and the summer, and my daughter's surprise 30th birthday party and I KNOW I absolutely must shift my thoughts to happier things. But I don't think it's that "easy" at all for the players and coaches, so how they recover is anyone's guess.

I haven't read many of the posts because that's my protective defense, but a friend of mine said that Cooney may not have been able to have a correct sense of seconds elapsing because the clock was on the floor. He shot too soon. Maybe others have pointed that out.

I also loved the OP's compassion. Anger and frustration can be very righteous, and that surely is one of the reasons we have a board: to vent in a safe place. Although we must keep it in bounds, which is why we have mods. What I love about this board is that we certainly have meltdowns, but then we pick ourselves up and get back to the business of being fans.

(Captain J, I've been enjoying your posts.)

 

[Cusefan0307]

No, you're right, and I wasn't really talking about today's game as a whole. JB put him in a tough spot at the end, which makes you wonder if JB has a blind spot for the kid. Actually, check that, clearly JB has a blind spot for the kid.

I'm just tired of some of the narratives here.

You know I like you man, but I find it weird that you often defend Roberson, who is inconsistent as Cooney, and everytime Roberson plays bad you blame it on some sort of un reported injury. I think they are just both inconsistent players, but it is what it is. Wish they both played better this year.

If we have a legit inside prescense this year, Jb doesn't get suspended, we are probably in the tournament and nobody is complaining about anyone.

 

[br801]

You know I like you man, but I find it weird that you often defend Roberson, who is inconsistent as Cooney, and everytime Roberson plays bad you blame it on some sort of un reported injury. I think they are just both inconsistent players, but it is what it is. Wish they both played better this year.

If we have a legit inside prescense this year, Jb doesn't get suspended, we are probably in the tournament and nobody is complaining about anyone.

Hell, one more win anywhere along the line and they are likely going to the dance.

 

[Millhouse]

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