I feel bad...

[alphaorange]

Frankly, spare me the sermon. I haven't seen hateful or posts that shouldn't be made. I see lots of intelligent discussion and venting. These are some abysmal and bizarre plays being made by players and coaches the past few weeks. Some unsettling trends in recruiting also. Unless you have Mod status and have access to the posts which have been thankfully deleted (I do NOT condone hateful posts); please don't judge posters with some valid criticisms and concerns.

Yes, you are one of the posters I am talking about. If you think there is a lot of intelligent discourse in these posts, it is well hidden. I have a feeling your idea of intelligent discussion and mine are very, very different. If you and others feel the need to be so hateful and insulting in order to vent, you likely should seek help. Criticism is not only fine, it is necessary for balance. What there is no need for is the total lack of grace and civility. If you don't like what I write, don't read it. You are not required to. I will remain civil to you and others even though it it hasn't been earned.
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[SoBeCuse]

Yes, you are one of the posters I am talking about. If you think there is a lot of intelligent discourse in these posts, it is well hidden. I have a feeling your idea of intelligent discussion and mine are very, very different. If you and others feel the need to be so hateful and insulting in order to vent, you likely should seek help. Criticism is not only fine, it is necessary for balance. What there is no need for is the total lack of grace and civility. If you don't like what I write, don't read it. You are not required to. I will remain civil to you and others even though it it hasn't been earned.
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I'll agree with you IF you can find ONE post of mine that is "hateful and insulting." I don't roll like that. Sorry. I call it like I see it and try to be fair. Debbie downer maybe. Hateful and insulting? Certainly not.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Yes, you are one of the posters I am talking about. If you think there is a lot of intelligent discourse in these posts, it is well hidden. I have a feeling your idea of intelligent discussion and mine are very, very different. If you and others feel the need to be so hateful and insulting in order to vent, you likely should seek help. Criticism is not only fine, it is necessary for balance. What there is no need for is the total lack of grace and civility. If you don't like what I write, don't read it. You are not required to. I will remain civil to you and others even though it it hasn't been earned.
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Calling out the wrong person my friend

 

[HOFCeluck]

Yes, you are one of the posters I am talking about. If you think there is a lot of intelligent discourse in these posts, it is well hidden. I have a feeling your idea of intelligent discussion and mine are very, very different. If you and others feel the need to be so hateful and insulting in order to vent, you likely should seek help. Criticism is not only fine, it is necessary for balance. What there is no need for is the total lack of grace and civility. If you don't like what I write, don't read it. You are not required to. I will remain civil to you and others even though it it hasn't been earned.
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If that's your standard then it sounds like the only people who post here should be

Or

Or

And no, I've lurked here since 1999. This place is no syr.com. Not. Even. Close.

 

[Ghost]

Yes, you are one of the posters I am talking about. If you think there is a lot of intelligent discourse in these posts, it is well hidden. I have a feeling your idea of intelligent discussion and mine are very, very different. If you and others feel the need to be so hateful and insulting in order to vent, you likely should seek help. Criticism is not only fine, it is necessary for balance. What there is no need for is the total lack of grace and civility. If you don't like what I write, don't read it. You are not required to. I will remain civil to you and others even though it it hasn't been earned.

Who are the others! Name names!

 

[SoBeCuse]

Who are the others! Name names!

Ah, Hop Sing's! Needed a laugh. Well done.

 

[tbonezone]

" I'm not angry... Just disappointed, that's all. When you're a fan, you're a fan, that's all there is to it. "

 

[Alsacs]

Wow. This thread has been an amazing food fight thread. I am wow. This thread has been like a GOP debate. Wow.

I have been critical of Cooney in the past haven't gone anyway close to the lengths this threads has devolved into.

This thread made me legitimately feel bad for that kid. Like wow. We got our own Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and others in this thread.

 

[Alsacs]

Trevor Cooney has literally broken our fanbase in half. That is sad. It really is. I have done my fair share but today makes me feel bad for the kid.

 

[CaptainJ]

I don't feel bad for him one bit. Got a free education. Lets make him the victim for being bad. gezzzzz, typical PC America

I used to think like that... the ol' "tough guy attitude. These kids can't work at regular jobs like any other student, and so the playing, practicing, conditioning, diet regimen, community outreach, etc, are all done to earn the education. It's "free" if you stick with a very narrow minded definition of the word, but when folks make proclamations like that, I don't suppose it's an issue for them.

Just because someone has a situation most of us can't relate to doesn't mean we can't empathize with many common, if not universal, human emotions they experience. That's one of the main reasons we have so many problems in this "us and them" society that the establishment has created through their puppet press. Things won't get better until the masses decide to see through it and see our commonalities instead of the wedges the media drives in our minds.

Whether he paid for his education in a manner you prefer(government subsidized loans, nude dancing, etc) or not, most degrees are far less close to a guarantee of anything than they ever have been. You do not have to feel sorry about someone, but you also don't have to act like a jerk as neither Cooney no anyone here has claimed he was a victim of anything other than people acting immature toward them and those who speak well of them.

 

[jr4750]

I "blame" Jim much more than any player out there today.

Guy gets paid 2 mil. We as fans are allowed to voice our displeasure as a result of that payday. I agree with you. This is not on Cooney, it's on JB for not bringing in help

 

[NineOneSeven]

Guy gets paid 2 mil. We as fans are allowed to voice our displeasure as a result of that payday. I agree with you. This is not on Cooney, it's on JB for not bringing in help

I wouldn't even say it's about bringing in help. The coaching today just wasn't there at times. Everyone makes errors and jim, contrary to what people think, is no exception and we saw them today in critical spots.

 

[CaptainJ]

Who's the angry one here?

Do we have to list all of them?

 

[CaptainJ]

Yep.

Can you name any SU-level program that does not do that? He signed up for playing for Syracuse. If he didn't want to deal with this level of pressure, fandom, etc. he could have played in the Patriot League.

Call it sad, call it whatever you want, but he should have known what he was signing up for.

You expect him to be a social science expert when he is 16 or 17? And he never signed a contract saying he understood the amount of jackass fans SU had, nor anything that entitled you or anyone from showing a level of decency which was once expected in our society. Fans weren't always like they are currently, and they appear to be getting worse. I'm not sure why you're on a high horse, but maybe once you come off it you'll have an easier time carrying on a civil conversation.

Maybe we can find some common ground and say the OP may have been a bit melodramatic, as some of my posts tend to be at times? We don't need to agree with every word to agree with the spirit. I like Emerson and Thoreau as much as the next guy, but even rugged individualists used to have a better sense of decency toward their fellow man than what many of us observe currently. We can add to that, or do our best to stem the tide.

 

[CuseCPT]

I'd be angry at Cooney if they were an intramural team with no coach. For whatever reason JB has in effect put a spotlight on all his shortcomings as a player with his crazy minutes and greenlight to shoot and at the same time shredded other players (at times very publicly) for far less.

 

[CaptainJ]

If you dont get angry, then you arent even a fan.

Are you certain that's a requirement? If so, how often and how much is required? Any specific times? Could disappoint suffice instead?

Does the anger have to be at the team or can it be directed at posts? I'm just trying to understand the requirements, because at least one mod(I try to avoid lumping in them in as one group, like with any other minority) likes to ban me and I want to see if lack of anger could be a contributing factor.

 

[jgeorge322]

this entire thread is a red herring. Cooney pays no mind to this board.

And if you all want to get truly philosophical on this b*tch, the su fan base is the fuel the program runs on. Without it, there is no money. Without money, there are no scholarships. Sure cooney could go somewhere else but the same situation and the same upset fans are everywhere. It is the nature of the beast and cooney gor a free education out of it and probably the best 5 years of his life. Take the sob story somewhere else and let us wallow for a minute.

 

[NineOneSeven]

this entire thread is a red herring. Cooney pays no mind to this board.

And if you all want to get truly philosophical on this b*tch, the su fan base is the fuel the program runs on. Without it, there is no money. Without money, there are no scholarships. Sure cooney could go somewhere else but the same situation and the same upset fans are everywhere.

WITHOUT A HOSTAGE THERE IS NO RANSOM

 

[CuseFaninVT]

We are all lousy fans. I am sitting here thinking the same thing everyone on the board is saying right now about Cooney. And I feel really bad for that. It's easy to sit and blame him for not making those shots, not being the player we all think he should be.

I feel bad because NONE OF US have any idea the amount of pain and struggle that dude has gone through in his career here. How dedicated he has been to working overtime every practice to get better. How much he has bled for this program both on and off the court. The type of leader he has been on the practice court and in the locker room.

Yet, we the fans sit in judgment. We crush him for the missed shots and the horrible turnovers. We piss and moan about how happy we are he's gone. And I'm in on it, I feel the SAME feelings. Yet, have any of us thought about how he feels in this moment?

That dude has dedicated his life and his body to a sport and to a team for four years, and for probably 14 years before that. He has worked hard, played hurt, and done everything he could do for this program. And instead of looking at it and saying "good effort kid, you're the type of player we want representing our team," we absolutely eviscerate him on an anonymous internet forum. And I'm right there with you, I've done the same thing.

I just keep thinking that as bad as we all feel about this loss, how bad do you think he feels about it? About his role in it? There's a young man who never quit on his team, never gave up on the season. The sad truth is he just didn't have that "clutch" gene. Even more bluntly, he just wasn't quite good enough.

And instead of rooting for him, through his warts -- we hate him. Fandom is sometimes a horrible and ugly thing.

I'm tired of hearing about the hardworking Cooney personally. As hard as everyone here claims he works, you'd think he'd actually progress over the last 4 years. He simply hasn't. He's the same exact player today that he was at the end of his sophomore season. If he's truly working that hard and this is the result, then someone should have redirected him along the way, which comes down to the coaching staff not doing their damned jobs.

And I swear to Christ, if Cooney ends up on the staff at SU, I'm DONE.

 

[JayCuse]

Are you certain that's a requirement? If so, how often and how much is required? Any specific times? Could disappoint suffice instead?

Does the anger have to be at the team or can it be directed at posts? I'm just trying to understand the requirements, because at least one mod(I try to avoid lumping in them in as one group, like with any other minority) likes to ban me and I want to see if lack of anger could be a contributing factor.

Im not sure, maybe im just mentally ill but sometimes I feel the urge to throw my laptop out my window. What did this mod ban you for?

 

[Alsacs]

I'd be angry at Cooney if they were an intramural team with no coach. For whatever reason JB has in effect put a spotlight on all his shortcomings as a player with his crazy minutes and greenlight to shoot and at the same time shredded other players (at times very publicly) for far less.

This is me to a tee. I don't blame Cooney as much as I get frustrated at JAB.

 

[CaptainJ]

I don't disagree, but that doesn't make it right.

I can't believe it took until post #52 for someone to stand up to a post proclaiming the entitlement of douchebaggery. I'm not even that old and I can see the lows society keeps sinking to. It isn't just about Cooney, but about people thinking their douchebaggery is beneficial to society or even their own psyche.

 

[Cowtown]

" I'm not angry... Just disappointed, that's all. When you're a fan, you're a fan, that's all there is to it. "

So, do I take this to mean you're disappointed I'm not all bitchy, and pissing & moaning?

 

[AlaskaSU]

We have had a plethora of great shooting guards over the years. I would have trusted anyone of them to take a season deciding shot and I would have expected them to make it. If one of them missed that shot I would have been disappointed but not angry. No one trusts Cooney to make such a shot. Therein lies the problem.

 

[CaptainJ]

Really? It's a frigging internet message board, don't take yourself so seriously and get over your self righteousness. People here don't hate Cooney the person, just his inconsistent play and never coming up clutch when it truly matters as a 3 year starter and 5th year senior, and, for a top tier program we all view SU as. Your rile you up nonsense is comical...

You might be right. A lot of these internet tough guys/(gals? are their bitter females on here too? I don't want to leave anyone out ) would likely not be able to say any of these things to Cooney's face. I dont mean just because he could lay a thumping on most of them, but because dealing with a human being is a lot different than dealing with the concept of one that we carry in our minds. They'd probably have no clue how Trevor would respond, and that unpredictability scares many folks of that ilk.

You're post reads well, but to be fair to the OP, many of the posts they were responding to did not. Is that a decent enough compromise, understanding many of us are feeling some relatively intense emotions at the end of the season and some players' careers? I'm trying to remind myself of that as I wade through this murky thread that I apparently got in on a bit too late.