I think the following will come with Gerry

[baggerbob]

I know interviews don't win games. But he's really good at them. He's stepping into this job with eyes wide open.

I really hope it works out.

For one there is no way JB would have played someone like JJ who couldn't shoot or play defense 30 minutes a game for 3 years. He would have either left or found a seat at thd end of the bench.

 

[721Comstock]

I've got an old 2006 silver Honda CRV with minor body rust that I can donate to the cause.

Oh, and it has a full-size spare.

1-800-CARS-4-CUSE

 

[Briancuse]

are you thinking that the staff hires reflect the nil funding?

More so the level of player we get in the portal.

 

[BEGood]

We will find out by the level of both if the nil surge is legit or a farce

Why do you think it’s a farce?

 

[007]

More so the level of player we get in the portal.

I asked because you mentioned NIL in response to a post about the quality of staff and GM hiring:

We will find out by the level of both if the nil surge is legit or a farce

The NIL funding has nothing to do with the level of staff hires (other than the HC hire). Those salaries are paid by the university.

As for the level of NIL being a possible "farce," we have heard from multiple sources, as well as GMac, that SU will be "in the game" when it comes to NIL. We will know soon when we see who we get from the portal. Guessing we see 2 high level additions from the portal.

 

[qdawgg]

A very small sample size and totally different circumstances, but just rewatch Cuse vs Duke and Siena vs Duke. Yes, they had similar backgrounds but I, among many, feel very strongly that Gerry will outperform Red's record his first three season.

If fact, if he doesn't, I will walk from Briancuse's house in Jersey all the way to Syracuse. LOL.

I said he would do better than Red. But you commented on my post to someone else about him being a good talent evaluator and the idea he will excel compared to other coaches at work ethic and other intangibles.

I haven’t seen an argument yet from anyone that proves he’s some great talent evaluator. He might be or might become one. Is he now, stepping into the role of a D1 coach? Don’t know. Nothing about his time at Siena screams some high level talent evaluator and coach that gets more out of his players than other coaches do. It’s all based on one game against Duke.

Again, him doing well here would be stuff of legends. I want that. I’m not convinced it happens.

What will happen is if he does even marginally better than Red it’ll be seen as the right pick. But that’s a bar that’s so low, Hop might have been an improvement.

 

[Orangezoo]

I said he would do better than Red. But you commented on my post to someone else about him being a good talent evaluator and the idea he will excel compared to other coaches at work ethic and other intangibles.

I haven’t seen an argument yet from anyone that proves he’s some great talent evaluator. He might be or might become one. Is he now, stepping into the role of a D1 coach? Don’t know. Nothing about his time at Siena screams some high level talent evaluator and coach that gets more out of his players than other coaches do. It’s all based on one game against Duke.

Again, him doing well here would be stuff of legends. I want that. I’m not convinced it happens.

What will happen is if he does even marginally better than Red it’ll be seen as the right pick. But that’s a bar that’s so low, Hop might have been an improvement.

If he’s not better than Red by a large margin I’d be shocked. So many little things in what you saw at Siena, how he communicates amongst other things that point to how he should be better. Not to mention he has the advantage of seeing how things went wrong from afar and I’m sure will continue to learn where all those missteps were and use that to his advantage as well. Coming into a familiar place where you can fix what a close former colleague failed at is actually a benefit to Gerry in that sense as much as failure could be devastating.

This will truly be feast or famine which is what I know worries many of us.

 

[twinight]

Nothing about his time at Siena screams some high level talent evaluator and coach that gets more out of his players than other coaches do. It’s all based on one game against Duke.

Yeah! It was just that ONE game. Great point.

btw, does anyone know how that team that was 4-28 the season before he became head coach got that opportunity to play Duke? Was it a raffle or something?

 

[qdawgg]

If he’s not better than Red by a large margin I’d be shocked. So many little things in what you saw at Siena, how he communicates amongst other things that point to how he should be better. Not to mention he has the advantage of seeing how things went wrong from afar and I’m sure will continue to learn where all those missteps were and use that to his advantage as well. Coming into a familiar place where you can fix what a close former colleague failed at is actually a benefit to Gerry in that sense as much as failure could be devastating.

This will truly be feast or famine which is what I know worries many of us.

I think this is a massive risk, however, I do think he can be successful. And I know a lot of my posts in this thread probably sound like I don’t think he will and being negative. Not actually my intent at all. We really don’t know. He has a lot of positives working for him, he’s shown a lot of passion as a coach - that’s important, he’ll have the $. But can he actually recruit and coach at this level. My personal opinion, first year or two could actually be rough. In the sense of not quite meeting the expectations. I think he will grow as a coach and what we see each additional year will be an improvement. Especially in coaching techniques, offensive/defensive sets and so on.

 

[qdawgg]

Yeah! It was just that ONE game. Great point.

btw, does anyone know how that team that was 4-28 the season before he became head coach got that opportunity to play Duke? Was it a raffle or something?

You didn’t offer any insight, just an emotional response. Thanks for proving one of my discussion points.

 

[Briancuse]

I asked because you mentioned NIL in response to a post about the quality of staff and GM hiring:


The NIL funding has nothing to do with the level of staff hires (other than the HC hire). Those salaries are paid by the university.

As for the level of NIL being a possible "farce," we have heard from multiple sources, as well as GMac, that SU will be "in the game" when it comes to NIL. We will know soon when we see who we get from the portal. Guessing we see 2 high level additions from the portal.

I should have clarified better but was multitasking when I posted. We will know how good nil is by quality of player in the portal.

 

[grepal]

Folefac is a freshman at Siena with great size and strength as a bully ball reserve 4 at 6-7 245 with a frame to build more muscle.

He has nice footwork he’s added, he’s a very solid defender who has been used to guard various other teams’ best player. He also showed off he has a decent looking outside shot to keep teams honest and be able to hit it on occasion. We all saw him defend a top 5 pick about as well as anyone has for stretches against Duke.

Now he’s still a bottom of the rotation guy at best as he matures from a 6-7 frosh at a MAAC school but to not see what this kid can bring and the potential is being too focused on where he played vs his game. He has every bit the tools and size to be another Omier type player as well as a modern day version of Otis Hill as he keeps improving ( that’s a potential reference not a now reference) . There is a lot of value there given the experience he’s had already playing in the NCAAT against Duke after being thrust into a bigger role.

I will just add that it’s a big summer for any of the returning kids, Siena kids and the new blood we will have. We’ve watched Red and his staff have kids regress or not improve their games. That I am confident will change with Gerry at the helm. So I think as it pertains to Doty and Folefac there are trust issues we have as a fanbase that are fair. Let’s see what he brings in and see how much these guys improve.

Our leftover freshmen need to develop as well. Kiyan needs strength, needs to learn defense and work oh his jumper, white needs to learn to defense without fouling out in under 20 minutes, the three redshirts probably need even more development. Players often take big jumps year one to year two.

 

[Nicknack]

I don't know Gerry at all. I just hope he isn't like Boeheim late in his tenure where he played guys over other guys who should have started or had more minutes or playing guys constantly out of position. Loyalty is great until it's not. That's my concern about Gerry bringing anyone from Siena. Since NIL was a big reason he was hired, I want to see us fully utilize our resources, starting at PG and Center.

 

[baggerbob]

I think this is a massive risk, however, I do think he can be successful. And I know a lot of my posts in this thread probably sound like I don’t think he will and being negative. Not actually my intent at all. We really don’t know. He has a lot of positives working for him, he’s shown a lot of passion as a coach - that’s important, he’ll have the $. But can he actually recruit and coach at this level. My personal opinion, first year or two could actually be rough. In the sense of not quite meeting the expectations. I think he will grow as a coach and what we see each additional year will be an improvement. Especially in coaching techniques, offensive/defensive sets and so on.

Getting the right assistants and GM, and having a good talent evaluater who can fit the pieces to whatever offensive, and defensive systems he wants to run, will be a key.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I asked because you mentioned NIL in response to a post about the quality of staff and GM hiring:


The NIL funding has nothing to do with the level of staff hires (other than the HC hire). Those salaries are paid by the university.

As for the level of NIL being a possible "farce," we have heard from multiple sources, as well as GMac, that SU will be "in the game" when it comes to NIL. We will know soon when we see who we get from the portal. Guessing we see 2 high level additions from the portal.

I’m not being argumentative here, but I thought last year the characterization of our 25-26 team NIL was “good,” and “competitive” or something of that nature. Am I ‘misremembering?’ “In the game” is scary. Sounds like “level 5”—it’s meaningless without context. [No criticism to you.] And how can we know what ‘the game’ is? We can’t know how much other teams will have, and I would hate it if we based our ‘needs’ on last years’ competitive landscape. Every team will be aiming for more than they already spent because the next guy is aiming for more.

It just concerns me when words like that are used, without actual numbers. And where do those numbers come from and when is the money available and known? From the whales, sure, amounts can be known early. From alums, we only just got a coach, and I would think donations would come in a burst and then in spotty amounts over more time. And the portal opens and closes within a few weeks, so how does that all work? Promises would have to be made based on the actual, held amounts, not on projections, right?

 

[twinight]

You didn’t offer any insight, just an emotional response. Thanks for proving one of my discussion points.

There was nothing emotional about my response. I was making fun of someone who doesn't know how teams get into the NCAA tournament.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Yeah! It was just that ONE game. Great point.

btw, does anyone know how that team that was 4-28 the season before he became head coach got that opportunity to play Duke? Was it a raffle or something?

"Raffle?"
No, but didn't Siena all of a sudden have the most NIL in the conference? Isn't that how you go from 4-28 to a conference bid?

Sorry—who are you 'making fun of?'

 

[phsyra]

Where do we rank in ACC in NIL? Do we know?

 

[007]

I’m not being argumentative here, but I thought last year the characterization of our 25-26 team NIL was “good,” and “competitive” or something of that nature. Am I ‘misremembering?’ “In the game” is scary. Sounds like “level 5”—it’s meaningless without context. [No criticism to you.] And how can we know what ‘the game’ is? We can’t know how much other teams will have, and I would hate it if we based our ‘needs’ on last years’ competitive landscape. Every team will be aiming for more than they already spent because the next guy is aiming for more.

It just concerns me when words like that are used, without actual numbers. And where do those numbers come from and when is the money available and known? From the whales, sure, amounts can be known early. From alums, we only just got a coach, and I would think donations would come in a burst and then in spotty amounts over more time. And the portal opens and closes within a few weeks, so how does that all work? Promises would have to be made based on the actual, held amounts, not on projections, right?

I hear you (and I don't see you as being argumentative).

In an interview on Thursday, McNamara said "Syracuse needed $9 to $10 million “to be in the game” in terms of competing in the ACC. That total would include the money Syracuse University pays athletes (rev share) and the money Lobdell’s group and other third-parties can contribute to fund the team."

Vinny Lobdell

I'm not sure if that number includes what Melo and friends will be funding.

 

[BEGood]

I hear you (and I don't see you as being argumentative).

In an interview on Thursday, McNamara said "Syracuse needed $9 to $10 million “to be in the game” in terms of competing in the ACC. That total would include the money Syracuse University pays athletes (rev share) and the money Lobdell’s group and other third-parties can contribute to fund the team."

Vinny Lobdell

I'm not sure if that number includes what Melo and friends will be funding.

What is your guess what we will get to in total?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I hear you (and I don't see you as being argumentative).

In an interview on Thursday, McNamara said "Syracuse needed $9 to $10 million “to be in the game” in terms of competing in the ACC. That total would include the money Syracuse University pays athletes (rev share) and the money Lobdell’s group and other third-parties can contribute to fund the team."

Vinny Lobdell

I'm not sure if that number includes what Melo and friends will be funding.

Thank you. : )

 

[007]

What is your guess what we will get to in total?

Not sure how relevant guessing would be at this point. The specific figures quoted by Gmac were $9-10 million "to be in the game." The article I referenced said that included rev share. I think Lobdell's group (25-30 CEOs and business leaders) will hit the $5M mark, if not more. Lobdell's group does not include Melo currently. So the potential is there for a higher number. Blair is innovative in this ecosystem. Finding creative ways of funding NIL is his wheelhouse. AW??

I believe that we need to be north of $10M with rev share included. I don't think that anyone can say with absolute certainty at THIS point in time that we will be.

 

[phil77]

Not sure how relevant guessing would be at this point. The specific figures quoted by Gmac were $9-10 million "to be in the game." The article I referenced said that included rev share. I think Lobdell's group (25-30 CEOs and business leaders) will hit the $5M mark, if not more. Lobdell's group does not include Melo currently. So the potential is there for a higher number. Blair is innovative in this ecosystem. Finding creative ways of funding NIL is his wheelhouse. AW??

I believe that we need to be north of $10M with rev share included. I don't think that anyone can say with absolute certainty at THIS point in time that we will be.

My guess is we will fall between 11 and 13 million when all is said and done.

 

[Mr. M]

My guess is we will fall between 11 and 13 million when all is said and done.

Including rev share or not? I feel everyone is talking past each other here - half are quoting numbers including rev share, and half are not

 

[Zelda Zonk]

My guess is we will fall between 11 and 13 million when all is said and done.

My guess is $14,044.44, or $3.5M after attorney and accounting fees.