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If I were Autry

Kind of an odd take; nobody hits on 100% of their recruiting targets. When stuff like this is being posted, you know the Red apologists have basically nothing left in the tank.

It's Red's team and Red's guys, through and through.
It’s more nuanced than that. Leffew committed and then screwed us over. Red did not bring in Carlos to be a starter and that’s a fact. Leffew’s double-cross forced the issue.

He didn’t ask for Starling to break his wrist, either.

It’s like expecting to work with a MacBook Pro, only to have it stolen. Then you’re stuck with the 10-year-old Dell laptop you found in the closet. Your performance is not going to be the same.
 
He didn’t get all of his guys.
So how does this works?

Say I am a NBA GM I hire a coach and he says he wants Lebron, Curry, Kawhi, KD, Jokic as the starting five, and I got him only Curry, KD, Jokic, and Lebron. Mid season Lebron went down and they go 30-50 I want to fire him but a valid excuse from him would be he didn't get "all his guys"? Really?
 
It’s more nuanced than that. Leffew committed and then screwed us over. Red did not bring in Carlos to be a starter and that’s a fact. Leffew’s double-cross forced the issue.

He didn’t ask for Starling to break his wrist, either.

It’s like expecting to work with a MacBook Pro, only to have it stolen. Then you’re stuck with the 10-year-old Dell laptop you found in the closet. Your performance is not going to be the same.
This is a pretty delusional take. You aren’t going to get all of your top targets every year. Also, players get hurt. Red chose to give Lampkin the big pay day and build around Bell. The roster was terribly constructed. Gotta stop making excuses for Red
 
It’s more nuanced than that. Leffew committed and then screwed us over. Red did not bring in Carlos to be a starter and that’s a fact. Leffew’s double-cross forced the issue.

He didn’t ask for Starling to break his wrist, either.

It’s like expecting to work with a MacBook Pro, only to have it stolen. Then you’re stuck with the 10-year-old Dell laptop you found in the closet. Your performance is not going to be the same.
and somehow player back paddling, kids changing their minds, in season injuries, insufficient NIL funding are issues unique to Syracuse.
 
It’s more nuanced than that. Leffew committed and then screwed us over. Red did not bring in Carlos to be a starter and that’s a fact. Leffew’s double-cross forced the issue.

He didn’t ask for Starling to break his wrist, either.

It’s like expecting to work with a MacBook Pro, only to have it stolen. Then you’re stuck with the 10-year-old Dell laptop you found in the closet. Your performance is not going to be the same.
It's not like that at all. Even if it was, I would still expect to see some basic coaching acumen on display come game time. As far as I can see, Red is a dumpster fire on every level except the personality he puts forward in public; no player development, no Xs and Os, no plan or game prep in evidence the vast majority of the time, etc. At times on the bench he looks like he wants to be there even less than many of the players do. Also, SU was terrible WITH Starling.

A lot of good men have turned out to be terrible coaches. It happens.
 
He didn’t get all of his guys

It’s more nuanced than that. Leffew committed and then screwed us over. Red did not bring in Carlos to be a starter and that’s a fact. Leffew’s double-cross forced the issue.

He didn’t ask for Starling to break his wrist, either.

It’s like expecting to work with a MacBook Pro, only to have it stolen. Then you’re stuck with the 10-year-old Dell laptop you found in the closet. Your performance is not going to be the same.


That's his fault.

I know, I know, we got outbid. Well, it's his program. He has to own it.

This is a guy who refused to hit up some potential NIL donors because it would have been "awkward". That's according to two people here who claim to know that as a fact.

There's no way to win in today's game if our HC is too timid to hustle for the money he needs.

The "guys, NIL, you don't get it" crowd here is missing the point. It's Red's job to get that money. We have another coach here who figured that out from day 1. Autry had a full year and apparently didn't do it. That's entirely on him.
 
By the way, we're talking about a former MAAC PG who's averaging 25 minutes and 2.8 assists per game at Georgia, right?

Obviously he'd be a big step up from Carlos. But is he John Stockton?
Last I saw, he's coming off the bench at Georgia. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Red or the program that we lost a guy who was promised to start here to come off the bench at traditional basketball powerhouse Georgia.
 
Last I saw, he's coming off the bench at Georgia. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Red or the program that we lost a guy who was promised to start here to come off the bench at traditional basketball powerhouse Georgia.
Maybe he'd be killing it at SU. And I know he was sought after by a slew of big time programs. So I'm not trying to diminish the guy.

Just that there seems to be this sentiment among some folks that losing out on him is largely why this season sucks. And that is too easy of a cop out to me.

If folks are suggesting he was THE critical piece for this year's team then you can't get outbid by UGA. By all accounts, Fran managed to keep McCord despite Nebraska's push to outbid us. Red had to do the same, and he didn't.

Seems like to some since Red didn't secure the guy it means Red gets a pass. To me, that's a mark against him. If he was that important you can't lose him.
 
By the way, we're talking about a former MAAC PG who's averaging 25 minutes and 2.8 assists per game at Georgia, right?

Obviously he'd be a big step up from Carlos. But is he John Stockton?

Hilariously enough. Was PR posts on here said that Leffew was #1 on our board.

Looking at his numbers...Leffew's DBPM is by far the worst on the team. I assume why he doesn't start or get starter mins at Georgia.

But STATS! LOL! and all that...
 
and somehow player back paddling, kids changing their minds, in season injuries, insufficient NIL funding are issues unique to Syracuse.
Did I say that? What’s unique is blaming Red for any of those things, as they are outside his control.
 
Hilariously enough. Was PR posts on here said that Leffew was #1 on our board.

Looking at his numbers...Leffew's DBPM is by far the worst on the team. I assume why he doesn't start or get starter mins at Georgia.

But STATS! LOL! and all that...
I admit that I don't follow recruiting or the portal all that closely. But the way Leffew is talked about here I figured I'd look up his stats season-to-date and see that he's crushing it.

Nope. He's a nice 25 MPG, 12 PPG, 3 APG guy. Hell, I'd certainly take that! But I was expecting him to be an All-American candidate the way his loss to SU is portrayed.
 
Did I say that? What’s unique is blaming Red for any of those things, as they are outside his control.
NIL is inside his control. He had a year to get the fund where he needed it. And he didn't hustle to do that. That has to be on him.
 
It's not like that at all. Even if it was, I would still expect to see some basic coaching acumen on display come game time. As far as I can see, Red is a dumpster fire on every level except the personality he puts forward in public; no player development, no Xs and Os, no plan or game prep in evidence the vast majority of the time, etc. At times on the bench he looks like he wants to be there even less than many of the players do. Also, SU was terrible WITH Starling.

A lot of good men have turned out to be terrible coaches. It happens.
This doesn’t have to be a debate over the following:

1) Red’s coaching cost us the games against Georgetown and Wake.

2) Starling’s absence cost us the games against Georgetown and Wake.

Both can be true. Both ARE true.
 
Last I saw, he's coming off the bench at Georgia. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Red or the program that we lost a guy who was promised to start here to come off the bench at traditional basketball powerhouse Georgia.
They paid him more.
 
They paid him more.
I think it was starting at SU for 400k v. bench at Georgia for 600k (could be slightly off). If our NIL isn't going to be top tier, we need a coach who can close on that type of portal recruit. One is too small of a sample size and maybe his 100% sole concern was NIL, but it's something to monitor when assessing our coach. And if our coach can't do that, he better be a really good in game coach.
 
NIL is inside his control. He had a year to get the fund where he needed it. And he didn't hustle to do that. That has to be on him.

I don't know the whole story on this, or who to believe. But I did go to one event this summer, and I can tell you being aggressive wasn't the issue. He was pretty clear about how much he needed, they had it all mapped out and that he needed people to step up. Even texted me the next day to get me to donate as I'm sure he did to everyone else that the event. (I did donate, but I'll just tell you that I'm not moving any needles, too much real life stuff to pay for).

I really enjoyed meeting him that night. He was very personable but again, very serious about what they needed to compete. And as I left I remember thinking what a thankless job this is to go around asking people for money to pay the players. And then to probably have to go back to the same limited number of people and keep asking them to give again.

I'll always root for him. He's one of us. If it doesn't work out then so be it. Hope he finds happiness back as an assistant or whatever else he decides to do.
 
This doesn’t have to be a debate over the following:

1) Red’s coaching cost us the games against Georgetown and Wake.

2) Starling’s absence cost us the games against Georgetown and Wake.

Both can be true. Both ARE true.
You're right, a reductionist approach here is appropriate. All of those situations are on Red, one way or another. Hitching our wagon to Starling could be its own spirited debate; that alone shows far the program has fallen.

A common theme among the excuses for Red stem from our disaster of a roster... which HE assembled.
 
Last I saw, he's coming off the bench at Georgia. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Red or the program that we lost a guy who was promised to start here to come off the bench at traditional basketball powerhouse Georgia.

He's averaging 25 minutes a game, 13 /2 / 3, 48% from the field and 42% from 3.

He's getting more money, that's why he's there.
 
Hilariously enough. Was PR posts on here said that Leffew was #1 on our board.

Looking at his numbers...Leffew's DBPM is by far the worst on the team. I assume why he doesn't start or get starter mins at Georgia.

But STATS! LOL! and all that...
Leffew's eFG% and TS% are both top-100 among guys who have played at least 40% of available minutes. He's played 63.5% despite not starting. He's also shooting 41.5% from deep. We'll see what happens come SEC play but I'd take that over Carlos, Cuffe too even though I like him.
 
I don't know the whole story on this, or who to believe. But I did go to one event this summer, and I can tell you being aggressive wasn't the issue. He was pretty clear about how much he needed, they had it all mapped out and that he needed people to step up. Even texted me the next day to get me to donate as I'm sure he did to everyone else that the event. (I did donate, but I'll just tell you that I'm not moving any needles, too much real life stuff to pay for).

I really enjoyed meeting him that night. He was very personable but again, very serious about what they needed to compete. And as I left I remember thinking what a thankless job this is to go around asking people for money to pay the players. And then to probably have to go back to the same limited number of people and keep asking them to give again.

I'll always root for him. He's one of us. If it doesn't work out then so be it. Hope he finds happiness back as an assistant or whatever else he decides to do.
What I gather is that by this summer he finally realized he had to actually ask for money (probably brought on by the Leffew and Lampkin situations). But that he wasn't doing that during his first year on the job.

It's a learning curve and not the end of the world. However, if we got outbid for Leffew because in the spring he didn't have enough NIL money, then that's the consequence of the learning curve.

I wouldn't want to be a D1 college coach. It seems absolutely awful to me. But that's the life Red chose.

Autry's a good guy and easy to root for. I hope the team starts kicking ass tomorrow. No one wants this program to be where it is.

I'm just over all the "well, its Syracuse, what can you do, you people don't understand things" excuse making. I heard the same thing about football for a decade -- that we'd never win more than 7 games and we'll never compete for good recruits and all that stuff -- and it's proven to be wrong.
 
Leffew's eFG% and TS% are both top-100 among guys who have played at least 40% of available minutes. He's played 63.5% despite not starting. He's also shooting 41.5% from deep. I'd take that over Carlos, Cuffe too even though I like him.
I'm not comparing him to Carlos and Cuffe. Its obviously better. I'm saying his defense stinks...hence why a guy who shoots 42% from 3 doesnt start. And that seems to be a trend when selecting our guys. Defense is being completely ignored
 
I think it was starting at SU for 400k v. bench at Georgia for 600k (could be slightly off). If our NIL isn't going to be top tier, we need a coach who can close on that type of portal recruit. One is too small of a sample size and maybe his 100% sole concern was NIL, but it's something to monitor when assessing our coach. And if our coach can't do that, he better be a really good in game coach.
Would you take less money for a bigger role and more work?
 
I don't know the whole story on this, or who to believe. But I did go to one event this summer, and I can tell you being aggressive wasn't the issue. He was pretty clear about how much he needed, they had it all mapped out and that he needed people to step up. Even texted me the next day to get me to donate as I'm sure he did to everyone else that the event. (I did donate, but I'll just tell you that I'm not moving any needles, too much real life stuff to pay for).

I really enjoyed meeting him that night. He was very personable but again, very serious about what they needed to compete. And as I left I remember thinking what a thankless job this is to go around asking people for money to pay the players. And then to probably have to go back to the same limited number of people and keep asking them to give again.

I'll always root for him. He's one of us. If it doesn't work out then so be it. Hope he finds happiness back as an assistant or whatever else he decides to do.

I don't know who posted the hustle thing originally, but it's baloney. Frankly its ridiculous that these guys act like politicians (different story) raising money like they do.
 
He's averaging 25 minutes a game, 13 /2 / 3, 48% from the field and 42% from 3.

He's getting more money, that's why he's there.
Yep. We should have paid him.
 

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