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[wfschrec]

That's different - he had a personal connection.

I love when recruits reference The Express too - but unless you grew up a fan Coach Mac is distant history with no bearing on you as a high schooler at all.

I don't think you give a lot of the young players enough credit ... they are well aware of a lot of the guys who have circulated through this program and the staff makes them well aware when on campus for visits as well.

 

[TheCusian]

I don't think you give a lot of the young players enough credit ... they are well aware of a lot of the guys who have circulated through this program and the staff makes them well aware when on campus for visits as well.

Well yeah - once they have contact with the staff, I'm sure they know more about the history of the program. I'm talking about the kid in Florida who is 17 and a junior in high school who hasn't had contact with anyone Syracuse related. They are not on YouTube looking up Freeney clips.

 

[rrlbees]

Lets put the 'Syracuse' back in the Syracuse football uniforms.

That about sums it up.

 

[OrangePA]

Well yeah - once they have contact with the staff, I'm sure they know more about the history of the program. I'm talking about the kid in Florida who is 17 and a junior in high school who hasn't had contact with anyone Syracuse related. They are not on YouTube looking up Freeney clips.

I'm sure that when Syracuse University expresses interest the target goes to Youtube and watches video of McNabb, Freeney, Harrison and others.

Branding, branding, branding!

You don't mess with a good brand.

 

[Bayside44]

I'm sure that when Syracuse University expresses interest the target goes to Youtube and watches video of McNabb, Freeney, Harrison and others.

Branding, branding, branding!

You don't mess with a good brand.

I'm with you to a point - I don't think kids watch 15 plus years old youtube video. It's multiple coaches ago, different conference and irrelevant. (agree with the rest on the unis)

A kid gets recruited by Wisconsin for instance - they ain't looking up Ron Dayne.

We weren't able to find a person to be the next McNabb when we had him.

 

[Chip]

Think about how many times we've switched uniforms since Gross arrived. It's fashion police gone horribly wrong and there's no end in site. I don't think this is all on Nike, there's someone in the room high fiving them and clapping during their runway shows.

 

[anomander]

Do we actually have any chance of bringing back the "real" Syracuse to the uniforms, or is all this just wishful thinking? Personally I would be all for going back to the 2012 uniforms. I agree with TheCusian that the Ernie Davis, and McNabb uni's are too outdated. I really thought we were onto something with the 2012 uni's until we started messing with that stupid blue helmet. So are we stuck with what we have now, or is there a chance we will make a change? Unfortunately I think we are stuck with what we were wearing this year.

 

[OrangePA]

Maybe many years ago, but times have changed. We do not compete at the same level as USC. That's like saying DePaul basketball competes at the same level as Kentucky basketball. Maybe one time many many years ago that is true, in this modern era it just isn't the case.

DePaul is in the Big East.

DePaul is eligible to compete in the NCAA and win the Championship.

And DePaul plays as tough a schedule as KY.

It plays the game at the same level of KY and should present itself with the same kind of self-respect that KY presents itself.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

you join the military, the military dresses you.

you join a football program, the football program should dress you.

its my program, theyre cattle.

if the cattle wants a sweatsuit in blue that they can wear on the quad or at home...done.

on the field the cattle should wear ORANGE.

I thought they were student athletes

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

the best programs in college football wear recognizable uniforms most weeks. oregon is the exception. we can't have facilities that look like the factories but the least we can do is fake it with shirts and pants. shirts and pants don't cost as much as IPFs last time i checked.

We are not one of the best programs in CFB. Not by a long shot.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I agree completely.

Frankly, it's not their program - it's our program.

We invite them to have the privilege of playing for our program.

The players come and go, but the program and the brand remains - and the uniform is the essence of the brand.

It is not your program. It belongs to the students, the school, the coaches and most of all the players.
We are fans. Nothing more. Sometimes less.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Do we actually have any chance of bringing back the "real" Syracuse to the uniforms, or is all this just wishful thinking? Personally I would be all for going back to the 2012 uniforms. I agree with TheCusian that the Ernie Davis, and McNabb uni's are too outdated. I really thought we were onto something with the 2012 uni's until we started messing with that stupid blue helmet. So are we stuck with what we have now, or is there a chance we will make a change? Unfortunately I think we are stuck with what we were wearing this year.

The real uniforms, the original ones, were pink and white. If you are stridently against change, then those are the uniform colors you want.

 

[Scotty44]

DePaul is in the Big East.

DePaul is eligible to compete in the NCAA and win the Championship.

And DePaul plays as tough a schedule as KY.

It plays the game at the same level of KY and should present itself with the same kind of self-respect that KY presents itself.

Comparing SU to USC is like comparing Depaul to Kentucky you just can't see the forest from the trees. While they play the same sport in each comparison, that is where the comparison end. They are on two completely different planets. USC has had 7 Heisman Winners and 11 National Titles. Syracuse has had 1 Heisman Winner and 1 National title and both were some 50 years ago for SU. It's not a comparison. SU doesn't match up if you compare " football tradition/history" or in the modern era in terms of being on their level on the field. USC goes into each season with a shot to win a National Title, Syracuse just doesn't. It's just a fact, not a knock.

We all love the Orange but to say SU and USC are on the same level is just factually incorrect.

 

[Scotty44]

I'm sure that when Syracuse University expresses interest the target goes to Youtube and watches video of McNabb, Freeney, Harrison and others.

Branding, branding, branding!

You don't mess with a good brand.

Im pretty sure they don't. I think kids tune into the NFL draft and wait to see how many times "Syracuse" is mentioned. I am sure kids tune into Sportscenter and wait to see the Syracuse score. Not many high school kids care what happened at the school some 20 years ago before they were born with people who are now retired from the NFL. Kids care about the now, not about the distant past.

 

[Scotty44]

It is not your program. It belongs to the students, the school, the coaches and most of all the players.
We are fans. Nothing more. Sometimes less.

That is so so true. It's a program for the kids and for the students.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It is not your program. It belongs to the students, the school, the coaches and most of all the players.
We are fans. Nothing more. Sometimes less.

And yet SU has no problem calling up its' Alumni and Boosters and asking for donations every year.

I guess the program belongs to us too. Where would it be without us?

 

[anomander]

And yet SU has no problem calling up its' Alumni and Boosters and asking for donations every year.

I guess the program belongs to us too. Where would it be without us?

Ya I tend to agree that the program belongs to the fans just as much as the players and coaches. If there were no fans there would be no college football. Well I guess there would, but it would be one of the non-revenue sports that nobody really pays attention to.

 

[TheCusian]

And yet SU has no problem calling up its' Alumni and Boosters and asking for donations every year. I guess the program belongs to us too. Where would it be without us?

Yep - it's shared. But the original thought - that it's not the players program is dead wrong.

 

[OrangePA]

Comparing SU to USC is like comparing Depaul to Kentucky you just can't see the forest from the trees. While they play the same sport in each comparison, that is where the comparison end. They are on two completely different planets. USC has had 7 Heisman Winners and 11 National Titles. Syracuse has had 1 Heisman Winner and 1 National title and both were some 50 years ago for SU. It's not a comparison. SU doesn't match up if you compare " football tradition/history" or in the modern era in terms of being on their level on the field. USC goes into each season with a shot to win a National Title, Syracuse just doesn't. It's just a fact, not a knock.

We all love the Orange but to say SU and USC are on the same level is just factually incorrect.

You don't get it.

USC and SU are competitors - they are major conference members who are looking to win the NC.

This year and for a few years, neither SU nor USC has had a real chance to win the NC. If you think USC has been at that level in the past few years, you're kidding yourself or not paying attention.

And SU should not - as you apparently have proposed - consider itself an unworthy competitor for USC or Penn State or Alabama or consider itself a second class football program.

I don't know how old you are or how much you know about Syracuse University Football, but it's clear that you view it apparently as a second rate program - one that needs clown uniforms to recruit.

I just don't see it that way.

I see that the greatest running back of all time - Jim Brown - played at Syracuse University.

I see that perhaps the greatest center of all time - Jim Ringo - played at Syracuse University.

I see that the greatest tight end of all time - John Mackey - played at Syracuse University.

I see that greatest fullback of all time - Larry Csonka - played at Syracuse University.

I see that greatest kicker of all time - Gary Anderson - played at Syracuse University.

I see that one of the pivotal pro football figures of all time - Al Davis - was at Syracuse University.

I see some of the greatest coaches of all time - Tom Coughlin, Ben Schwartzwalder, Bud Wilkinson, Nick Saban - who were at Syracuse University.

And you can add Floyd Little, Ernie Davis, Donovan McNabb, Jim Nance, Qadry Ismail, Rob Moore, Keith Bulluck, Marvin Harrison, Moose Johnston, Dwight Freeney, Walt Sweeney, Art Thoms, Rob Burnett, and even Chandler Jones and Arthur Jones on to the roster of the some of the great players who played at Syracuse University.

So, we should never take a back seat to anybody when it comes to football legacy and we should never discount or demean our program to the point of thinking that we need stupid uniforms to attract players.

We have a great brand - a great traditional uniform - and we don't need the BS.

If you feel inferior, that's your issue.

 

[OrangePA]

That is so so true. It's a program for the kids and for the students.

That sounds so naïve.

This isn't travel soccer or men's hockey at RIT.

 

[OrangePA]

It is not your program. It belongs to the students, the school, the coaches and most of all the players.
We are fans. Nothing more. Sometimes less.

Clearly you don't have enough information to make that statement.

 

[wfschrec]

You don't get it.

USC and SU are competitors - they are major conference members who are looking to win the NC.

This year and for a few years, neither SU nor USC has had a real chance to win the NC. If you think USC has been at that level in the past few years, you're kidding yourself or not paying attention.

And SU should not - as you apparently have proposed - consider itself an unworthy competitor for USC or Penn State or Alabama or consider itself a second class football program.

I don't know how old you are or how much you know about Syracuse University Football, but it's clear that you view it apparently as a second rate program - one that needs clown uniforms to recruit.

I just don't see it that way.

I see that the greatest running back of all time - Jim Brown - played at Syracuse University.

I see that perhaps the greatest center of all time - Jim Ringo - played at Syracuse University.

I see that the greatest tight end of all time - John Mackey - played at Syracuse University.

I see that greatest fullback of all time - Larry Csonka - played at Syracuse University.

I see that greatest kicker of all time - Gary Anderson - played at Syracuse University.

I see that one of the pivotal pro football figures of all time - Al Davis - was at Syracuse University.

I see some of the greatest coaches of all time - Tom Coughlin, Ben Schwartzwalder, Bud Wilkinson, Nick Saban - who were at Syracuse University.

And you can add Floyd Little, Ernie Davis, Donovan McNabb, Jim Nance, Qadry Ismail, Rob Moore, Keith Bulluck, Marvin Harrison, Moose Johnston, Dwight Freeney, Walt Sweeney, Art Thoms, Rob Burnett, and even Chandler Jones and Arthur Jones on to the roster of the some of the great players who played at Syracuse University.

So, we should never take a back seat to anybody when it comes to football legacy and we should never discount or demean our program to the point of thinking that we need stupid uniforms to attract players.

We have a great brand - a great traditional uniform - and we don't need the BS.

If you feel inferior, that's your issue.

You forgot Art Monk, Joe "Doc"Alexander, Biggie Munn, Vic Hanson, Sadet-Sing, Joe Morris, Dan Conley, Todd Philcox, Donovan Darius, Jameel McClain, Shamarko Thomas, Olinda Mare, Morlon Greenwood, Ted Gregory, Pat Gedney, Markus Paul, Kevin Abrams, Craig Wolfley, Antonio Anderson, Rob Carpenter, Marvin Graves and so many more. Oh good lord I think we could do this all day.

 

[CanadianSU]

All you old guys are really missing it.

I hate the Uniforms however, I am on a thing called twitter (unfortunately) and I follow this sports uniform design thing and when they posted our uniforms everyone loved them. I couldn't believe it but some of you don't take into account what the younger gen says.

Comparing SU recruiting to USC, Penn State, and Alabama in the same sentence...

:rolling:

 

[TheCusian]

You don't get it. USC and SU are competitors - they are major conference members who are looking to win the NC. This year and for a few years, neither SU nor USC has had a real chance to win the NC. If you think USC has been at that level in the past few years, you're kidding yourself or not paying attention. And SU should not - as you apparently have proposed - consider itself an unworthy competitor for USC or Penn State or Alabama or consider itself a second class football program. I don't know how old you are or how much you know about Syracuse University Football, but it's clear that you view it apparently as a second rate program - one that needs clown uniforms to recruit. I just don't see it that way. I see that the greatest running back of all time - Jim Brown - played at Syracuse University. I see that perhaps the greatest center of all time - Jim Ringo - played at Syracuse University. I see that the greatest tight end of all time - John Mackey - played at Syracuse University. I see that greatest fullback of all time - Larry Csonka - played at Syracuse University. I see that greatest kicker of all time - Gary Anderson - played at Syracuse University. I see that one of the pivotal pro football figures of all time - Al Davis - was at Syracuse University. I see some of the greatest coaches of all time - Tom Coughlin, Ben Schwartzwalder, Bud Wilkinson, Nick Saban - who were at Syracuse University. And you can add Floyd Little, Ernie Davis, Donovan McNabb, Jim Nance, Qadry Ismail, Rob Moore, Keith Bulluck, Marvin Harrison, Moose Johnston, Dwight Freeney, Walt Sweeney, Art Thoms, Rob Burnett, and even Chandler Jones and Arthur Jones on to the roster of the some of the great players who played at Syracuse University. So, we should never take a back seat to anybody when it comes to football legacy and we should never discount or demean our program to the point of thinking that we need stupid uniforms to attract players. We have a great brand - a great traditional uniform - and we don't need the BS. If you feel inferior, that's your issue.

I agree 1000% on the history and not taking a back seat to anyone. I just disagree that our uni's somehow disparage any of that history. As I said in another post: Greg Robinson is the dark spot - not what we wore for one season.

 

[wfschrec]

I agree 1000% on the history and not taking a back seat to anyone. I just disagree that our uni's somehow disparage any of that history. As I said in another post: Greg Robinson is the dark spot - not what we wore for one season.

The crux of the point is that the uniform is a deviation from the brand ... whether or not you agree it looks good is irrelevant ... they have deviated from the brand that is Syracuse football. That is what OrangePA is driving at as well as bees.