In 2015

[OrangePA]

I actually agree with some of this - I think it's a fad.

You guys are burying your head in the sand if you think it doesn't matter to recruits though. I've done all I can do - actual quotes from coaches doing the recruiting to the kids being recruited. It matters - not much in the scheme of things - but it does matter.

It clearly is fad - all the way.

And, there is no proof that it matters.

Just the opposite is true.

 

[TheCusian]

Oregon's kajillion dollar facilities thanks to Uncle Phil >>>>>>>>>> wacky uniforms, though.

And it's more evidence of SU desperately trying to be a copycat instead of finding unique things to set us apart, on field or off.

Past decade we've been Lame Ass Trend Follower U in all aspects.

I can agree with this.

 

[TheCusian]

It clearly is fad - all the way.

And, there is no proof that it matters.

Just the opposite is true.

Read the article, man. I love it - we have actual quotes, half of all CFB has tried to do something new with their uni's to get attention - but there is no proof. It's not a question of "does it make a difference in recruiting" it's "how much of a difference does it make in recruiting" - to have any other take is to ignore reality.

 

[oldpinepoint]

This thread is ridiculous on so many levels I don't know where to start. There are many good points on both sides of this argument.

 

[TheCusian]

Oregon's kajillion dollar facilities thanks to Uncle Phil >>>>>>>>>> wacky uniforms, though.

And it's more evidence of SU desperately trying to be a copycat instead of finding unique things to set us apart, on field or off.

Past decade we've been Lame Ass Trend Follower U in all aspects.

What do you attribute our uptick in recruiting to? For the record - I don't think it's the uni's and I'm not suggesting that at all.

For my money, it's this, in this order:

1. ACC affiliation (and the demotion of the non-p5 schools like UCONN, USF)
2. Acosta, White, McDonald, Shafer and the rest of the staff
3. The IPF

 

[Full_Rebar]

It makes very little difference in recruiting and is a poor investment of money to invest in 4 or 5 different helmets for 100+ players. I bet another Eric White would impact recruiting a lot more for the same investment.

 

[rrlbees]

Read the article, man. I love it - we have actual quotes, half of all CFB has tried to do something new with their uni's to get attention - but there is no proof. It's not a question of "does it make a difference in recruiting" it's "how much of a difference does it make in recruiting" - to have any other take is to ignore reality.

If you want to keep believing we got even 1 recruit because our unis were a factor, then you have to also say we lost recruits because of them. Not just because they sucked, but because our unis were pointed out by others in the media and mocked. I guess negative press is good for recruiting.

 

[Millhouse]

It may be self-sustaining BS - I don't know. I just think it's crazy talk for people to write it off when the number of schools playing with uni concepts is roughly half of CFB.

which half

 

[oldpinepoint]

What do you attribute our uptick in recruiting to? For the record - I don't think it's the uni's and I'm not suggesting that at all.

For my money, it's this, in this order:

1. ACC affiliation (and the demotion of the non-p5 schools like UCONN, USF)
2. Acosta, White, McDonald, Shafer and the rest of the staff
3. The IPF

I would flip 1 and 2 myself but that's just me

 

[Millhouse]

Oregon's kajillion dollar facilities thanks to Uncle Phil >>>>>>>>>> wacky uniforms, though.

And it's more evidence of SU desperately trying to be a copycat instead of finding unique things to set us apart, on field or off.

Past decade we've been Lame Ass Trend Follower U in all aspects.

i wish we'd start following some trends on offense

 

[TheCusian]

which half

I honestly don't have time to research the exact schools - but just think about all of the CFB games you've watched this year. I've seen odd, non-traditional looks from Sunbelt schools and big powers like Ohio State. Literally - half might be an understatement.

 

[TheCusian]

If you want to keep believing we got even 1 recruit because our unis were a factor, then you have to also say we lost recruits because of them. Not just because they sucked, but because our unis were pointed out by others in the media and mocked. I guess negative press is good for recruiting.

I have no problem believing that. We probably have.

(Also - you do know that there is a whole bunch of retweets of our uni's from the ND game as best uni of that week, by our recruits?)

 

[Millhouse]

This wouldn't be such a lightning rod if our new unis weren't so GD awful.

There was some consternation when the hoops unis went with silver, but generally speaking I think most people like those. I know I do.

It's not that most people are stuck in the 80s or hate change, it's just that these specific uniforms suck moose balls.

I love modern unis, I just hate ours with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns.

even those silver uniforms have enough orange. the recruits we get will like having the name orange but not wearing orange.

all kinds of different uniforms, enough orange to satisfy old guys

basketball
plenty of orange, plenty of variety
https://www.google.com/search?q=syr...uJYqegwSy94H4Cw&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1680&bih=925

football

plenty of blue

https://www.google.com/search?q=syr...bih=925#tbm=isch&q=syracuse+football+uniforms

 

[TheCusian]

even those silver uniforms have enough orange. the recruits we get will like having the name orange but not wearing orange.

all kinds of different uniforms, enough orange to satisfy old guys

basketball
plenty of orange, plenty of variety
https://www.google.com/search?q=syracuse basketball uniforms&espv=2&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=n3-ZVNCuJYqegwSy94H4Cw&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1680&bih=925

football

plenty of blue

https://www.google.com/search?q=syracuse basketball uniforms&espv=2&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=n3-ZVNCuJYqegwSy94H4Cw&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1680&bih=925#tbm=isch&q=syracuse football uniforms

I'd have no problem shelving the current uni for a new look - that is not dated and from the 90's - all with more orange across the board.

 

[rrlbees]

I honestly don't have time to research the exact schools - but just think about all of the CFB games you've watched this year. I've seen odd, non-traditional looks from Sunbelt schools and big powers like Ohio State. Literally - half might be an understatement.

One offs or standard?

 

[rrlbees]

I have no problem believing that. We probably have. (Also - you do know that there is a whole bunch of retweets of our uni's from the ND game as best uni of that week, by our recruits?)

You do realize those were the one offs?

Also, a nice looking uniform doesn't mean a nice looking Syracuse uniform.

I guess if we wore Oregon's uniforms we'd do better in recruiting.

 

[TheCusian]

One offs or standard?

No idea. I'm not tracking this stuff. I just am pointing out that by my eye test and just watching games - there is a lot of experimenting with uni's by all kinds of teams.

 

[TheCusian]

Also, a nice looking uniform doesn't mean a nice looking Syracuse uniform.

I don't know what this means.

I guess if we wore Oregon's uniforms we'd do better in recruiting.

Yep. We'd be known for experimenting and kids would be more aware of who we are and we'd get in more living rooms. The history, academics, number of HoFer's, coaching relationships, playing time for studs, new IPF, etc. would all add together to a better chance at better recruits. It would help more to have Oregon's facilities, however.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

First, I'm not sure what an administrator is going to say - "we went with the new uniforms to make more money"? Or, "well, this is what Nike told us we have to do"?

Va Tech went funky a few years ago - and recruiting has gotten much worse for them.

Oklahoma State is having trouble of late.

And Penn State with all its trouble is with the traditional uniform recruiting very well.

Frankly, it has gotten to the point where the schools that have gone the funky uniform route are beginning to look alike.

They all seem to have the all white look and the all grey look etc. I am an IU grad - IU has the all-white uniforms that SU wore this year. One of my buddies called me during an SU game and commented "hey, that's either IU or Texas playing CMU!"

In an effort I guess to be distinctive the schools are becoming homogenous - how ironic.

I think your connection of recruiting success and uniform style is a false correlation.

Virginia Tech is struggling with recruiting because it's nearly impossible for a head coach to be in place for 30 years and not get stagnant eventually.

Penn State is a regional icon with a savvy, engaging head coach.

Oklahoma State is an isolated outpost in a tough conference with a hot-and-cold tradition and a mediocre head coach. They've got a wealthy backer, but that's no guarantee of success.

 

[rrlbees]

I don't know what this means.

That's because you're just a kid.

 

[Millhouse]

I honestly don't have time to research the exact schools - but just think about all of the CFB games you've watched this year. I've seen odd, non-traditional looks from Sunbelt schools and big powers like Ohio State. Literally - half might be an understatement.

my beef with syracuse is that all our uniforms are alternate uniforms. you need to have some normal everyday uniform for the alternates to be alternates

i looked up what OSU is wearing for the sugar bowl and it sure looks like OSU to me

 

[TheCusian]

That's because you're just a kid.

Huh? I'm 36 with an education from Syracuse. I still don't know what you're trying to say.

 

[TheCusian]

my beef with syracuse is that all our uniforms are alternate uniforms. you need to have some normal everyday uniform for the alternates to be alternates

i looked up what OSU is wearing for the sugar bowl and it sure looks like OSU to me

I agree. I'd of liked a more standard uni - kind of an in-between the old Nassib look and the new ones.

 

[rrlbees]

Huh? I'm 36 with an education from Syracuse. I still don't know what you're trying to say.

Oh, so you're an old guy too.

 

[TheCusian]

I think your connection of recruiting success and uniform style is a false correlation.

Virginia Tech is struggling with recruiting because it's nearly impossible for a head coach to be in place for 30 years and not get stagnant eventually.

Penn State is a regional icon with a savvy, engaging head coach.

Oklahoma State is an isolated outpost in a tough conference with a hot-and-cold tradition and a mediocre head coach. They've got a wealthy backer, but that's no guarantee of success.

They are good at making grand macro-pronoucements excluding important things like that - but when confronted with actual proof, they can't bring themselves to say "you were right."