IPF

[OttoinGrotto]

Um - setting goals that match the overall company objective is kinda critical. I have absolutely no problem with someone taking the actions for which he will be financially rewarded. None. It's ridiculously idealistic to think people will behave in any other way.

If Gross's bonus structure was set up in a way that gave him incentive to short change football while overfunding women's lax - that's ENTIRELY on whoever set up a deeply flawed bonus structure.

That's true.

 

[Orangepace]

if it is true that gross receives bonuses based on capital one directors cup and knowingly short changing the football program,then he should be fired immediately and the fans should send his next school his job resume asap and often...typical CEO mentality

This is a joke right? Economics 101, you incentivize persons to produce the result you want. My guess is the administration believed that the only way to get out of the BE was to improve the overall perception of the athletic programs as a collective. Whether any of us believe that is what needed to be done is another argument. That said, they aligned his incentives to achieve that goal. So DG should be fired for doing what his bosses wanted him to do?

I'm not sure your position at work, however, if you're upper management, or do any sort of strategic management of people, please take a night course on economics or watch some YouTube videos on incentive based compensation.

 

[Orangepace]

Um - setting goals that match the overall company objective is kinda critical. I have absolutely no problem with someone taking the actions for which he will be financially rewarded. None. It's ridiculously idealistic to think people will behave in any other way. If Gross's bonus structure was set up in a way that gave him incentive to short change football while overfunding women's lax - that's ENTIRELY on whoever set up a deeply flawed bonus structure.

damn. Beat me to it.

 

[Rocco]

Let's keep Marrone out of this and keep focusing on how messed up our Ath Dept is. It's ridiculous/amazing/shocking a lot of those in the AD still have their jobs.

 

[Alsacs]

Would you be as upset if they hadn't had that grown breaking ceremony and had simply said they don't yet have enough donations to start work?

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I wouldn't be upset if they didn't green light the project and have the ground breaking ceremony exactly. Nothing that has transpired since the ground breaking ceremony could have taken place since then to cause a complete 180 in the direction of the project. The BOT had to greenlight this project and even with a new a Chancellor the fact they okayed it and now shut it down is TERRIBLE. If SU didn't have the necessary donations to feel comfortable FINE then don't green light the project and kill the football coaching staff's creditability in recruiting kids and having the IPF be part of that pitch. It is complete BS to start a project and then shut it down and expect the original plan to go as planned. Anyway you slice this I am ticked off for how this has been incompetently handled and I will be giving Dr. Gross an earful.

 

[chakka3421]

Let's keep Marrone out of this and keep focusing on how messed up our Ath Dept is. It's ridiculous/amazing/shocking a lot of those in the AD still have their jobs.

It is my understanding that Mrs Gross was in charge of the internal marketing department for quite some time if not still on the payroll. Nepotism at its best. There is so much more going on and you and many know it.

 

[xc84]

I wouldn't be upset if they didn't green light the project and have the ground breaking ceremony exactly. Nothing that has transpired since the ground breaking ceremony could have taken place since then to cause a complete 180 in the direction of the project. The BOT had to greenlight this project and even with a new a Chancellor the fact they okayed it and now shut it down is TERRIBLE. If SU didn't have the necessary donations to feel comfortable FINE then don't green light the project and kill the football coaching staff's creditability in recruiting kids and having the IPF be part of that pitch. It is complete BS to start a project and then shut it down and expect the original plan to go as planned. Anyway you slice this I am ticked off for how this has been incompetently handled and I will be giving Dr. Gross an earful.

"complete 180"??? "then shut it down"??

Can I ask where you are hearing about this?

 

[shandeezy7]

I always thought it was a bit dubious that they held the groundbreaking ceremony before it seemed like they had the necessary percentage of cash-in-hand to move forward with the project.

 

[Alsacs]

"complete 180"??? "then shut it down"??

Can I ask where you are hearing about this?

The IPF was greenlight and approved by the BOT. Obviously because of lack of fundraising to the sufficient level of the SU AD office the project has been stopped for now. I hope the donations flow in to give the office more confidence to go ahead, but right now I don't know how long that will take and the longer it takes to get going again hurts the football program.

 

[xc84]

The IPF was greenlight and approved by the BOT. Obviously because of lack of fundraising to the sufficient level of the SU AD office the project has been stopped for now. I hope the donations flow in to give the office more confidence to go ahead, but right now I don't know how long that will take and the longer it takes to get going again hurts the football program.

Yes, can you please provide links to how you know this was "stopped" and that is due to lack of donations at this time?

 

[cuseinchina]

This is a joke right? Economics 101, you incentivize persons to produce the result you want. My guess is the administration believed that the only way to get out of the BE was to improve the overall perception of the athletic programs as a collective. Whether any of us believe that is what needed to be done is another argument. That said, they aligned his incentives to achieve that goal. So DG should be fired for doing what his bosses wanted him to do?

I'm not sure your position at work, however, if you're upper management, or do any sort of strategic management of people, please take a night course on economics or watch some YouTube videos on incentive based compensation.

Yes and no. I mean it depends on what time horizon Gross has. Whoever came up with the contract was idiotic and you can assume that Nancy had some say it determining what was to be valued and thus what would be incentivized. That said, if Gross cares about his career prospects long-term he needs to care about 3 things - 1. getting out of the big east (check); 2. keeping basketball at its current elevated level (check - for now); 3. fixing football. If he doesn't fix football he'll never get another big-school job and he'll eventually be fired here. He had a hand in breaking it, and needs to right the ship. So maybe his short-term incentives are aligned with olympic sports, but his mid to long-term incentives are implicitly all about football. I think he's smart enough to know that.

In terms of fundraising and marketing though, he clearly needs help and it's disturbing that he put his wife in charge of that- insane actually. and his long-term incentives are aligned with those activities as well - no room for pay raises for yourself if you can't run fiscally sound department.

 

[TrickySU]

Hasn't it been shown that success in the major sports results in a lot more applications for admission? Doesn't it stand to reason then that a reasonable percentage of those incremental applicants are of high quality? Connect the dots.

Exactly! Florida Golf Coast's NCAA Tournament basketball run is a great example of this. Who heard of Florida Golf Coast University before last year? I guarantee they saw a rise in applications this year. If nothing else, more high school students looked into them. One of the main reasons that schools are willing to spend so much on athletics.

 

[IthacaMatt]

It's been a disaster. That's why there have been a number of financial reviews and a look at all the books.


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That does not sound good for the Doctor's future job prospects.

 

[Millhouse]

people could one up each other with phony insane gross spending stories and I would believe them all

 

[Orangepace]

people could one up each other with phony insane gross spending stories and I would believe them all

I'm with you... Sometimes this board gets out of hand...

That said, Gross told me that Oklahoma is going to the B1G.

 

[xc84]

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/11/post_26.html

 

[OttoMets]

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/11/post_26.html

He insists that prefabrication is occurring off-site but can't say whether any bidding has been completed?

I'm sorry, but I can't believe anything this Giansante person says. Between this and a couple unrelated quotes, he comes off as an evasive flak. And a rather ignorant one at that.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

He insists that prefabrication is occurring off-site but can't say whether any bidding has been completed?

I'm sorry, but I can't believe anything this Giansante person says. Between this and a couple unrelated quotes, he comes off as an evasive flak. And a rather ignorant one at that.

Hey...hey...psst... The government has been hiding aliens in Roswell. Don't tell anyone but your family.

 

[texascpa]

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/11/post_26.html

ahh, the old permit excuse.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Yes and no. I mean it depends on what time horizon Gross has. Whoever came up with the contract was idiotic and you can assume that Nancy had some say it determining what was to be valued and thus what would be incentivized. That said, if Gross cares about his career prospects long-term he needs to care about 3 things - 1. getting out of the big east (check); 2. keeping basketball at its current elevated level (check - for now); 3. fixing football. If he doesn't fix football he'll never get another big-school job and he'll eventually be fired here. He had a hand in breaking it, and needs to right the ship. So maybe his short-term incentives are aligned with olympic sports, but his mid to long-term incentives are implicitly all about football. I think he's smart enough to know that.

In terms of fundraising and marketing though, he clearly needs help and it's disturbing that he put his wife in charge of that- insane actually. and his long-term incentives are aligned with those activities as well - no room for pay raises for yourself if you can't run fiscally sound department.

That was the first warning sign to me. Gross' gf/fiance at the time had no qualifications to be head of marketing yet he gave her that job and she failed miserably. Gross views himself as a marketing genius (his exact words) so he felt he could put her in that role because he was going to handle it all anyway, she was more to execute. She's since been shuttled around to some other position in the AD -- still not sure what her qualifications are besides being his wife.

Moves like that, compounded with his arrogant demeanor/management style, ran a lot of people in the AD off to other schools in his first year in the job. As others have noted, he also spent frivolously on all the olympic sports (hiring Luke Jensen for an absurd amount for women's tennis for one, Gait as woman's lax coach, overpaid for all the Orange in NY advertising, etc.). I was told he did all that in the beginning because he envisioned being at the school for just a few years and then parlaying it into a better job.

I also have no confidence that he'll be able to fundraise for the IPF -- he's done a terrible job at fundraising the time he's there (the only reason the Melo Center was built was JB/Juli, not Gross...they outraised him by a ridiculous margin). Despite all the changes he's made (many of which were obviously needed after Jake's tenure), I'm still not impressed by the job he's done -- it's easy to just throw money around to fix problems. We're not the type of school that can afford to run the AD that way, despite the basketball cash cow that we have.

Glad that he's finally having someone provide oversight to his work -- it seemed like nancy just let him do his job and nobody was monitoring things over there.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Almost sounds as if they are doing a commercial modular construction, opposed to a "stick" built. If so it wouldn't be unusual not to have all the permitting and bidding completed for the onsite portion of the construction.

 

[Whitey23]

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/11/post_26.html

Carlson must read the board. Welcome!

 

[anomander]

Wonder if Giasante will still be around in June to answer for this if there is still no building in sight?

 

[LongShanks44]

"There is no wavering of commitment," Giansante said. "We know how important this is."

From his lips to Otto's ears. Can only hope that's a sincere statement.

 

[bnoro]

Well great work everyone, great overreaction and daryl gross bashing thread. very necessary.