IPF

[anomander]

As with anything else there is a usually a reasonable explanation for things. Great post.

Personally I never doubted there was a reason, but my question is what was the reason for green lighting the project in the first place? It's not like this was a small decision, i am sure there was a lot of planning that went into the decision to go ahead with it. What was whole ground breaking charade for? More photo opportunities for TGD?

 

[Full_Rebar]

Here's my counterpoint. The IPF ground-breaking took place in September when everyone knew Cantor was gone . The Chair of the BOT gave $1 million and got field naming rights...so why in November is it held up? The new Chancellor works for the BOT so he's not holding it up. Is it the rest of the BOT? Is the Chair of the BOT being replaced?

Something happened and it isn't related to the Chancellor change, or the I'm In campaignw, hich was conceived last Spring when ath. dept staff members were asked to contribute (according the my sources).

 

[Cusefan95]

if it is true that gross receives bonuses based on capital one directors cup and knowingly short changing the football program,then he should be fired immediately and the fans should send his next school his job resume asap and often...typical CEO mentality

Um - setting goals that match the overall company objective is kinda critical. I have absolutely no problem with someone taking the actions for which he will be financially rewarded. None. It's ridiculously idealistic to think people will behave in any other way.

If Gross's bonus structure was set up in a way that gave him incentive to short change football while overfunding women's lax - that's ENTIRELY on whoever set up a deeply flawed bonus structure.

 

[rrlbees]

What exactly are you looking for from this marketing guru? If its more billboards and radio ads, I pray to God that Syracuse passes on that hire. People DO NOT CARE about going to see a mediocre football product. They don't come, and won't come, no matter how much advertising is done. It is simply a waste of money. It's actually irresponsible management to do that; it relies entirely on the wishful thinking that marketing alone can fix a fundamentally flawed product (that your potential customer base already KNOWS is fundamentally flawed). There's a lot of low/no cost stuff the marketing guy could focus on - the website needs a redesign and customer service at the Dome is substandard. But if "marketing" really means throwing away money on advertising that has minimal to no impact on revenues - lets just pass on that.

You need to so all of that which includes marketing and advertising.

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[rrlbees]

This town doesn't deserve a Division 1 football team and neither does the people running the athletic department. What I witnessed yesterday for attendance for a team fighting for a bowl birth was just plain pathetic. Everything about going to games in not fan friendly. I can stay at home and watch a game and see every play two or three different ways. They won't show any replay that might be the least bit unfriendly towards the officials. I paid, parked and walked up the damn hill and I want to see every damn replay of the game. It's no wonder people stay at home. I'm a preferred seat holder and give a donation every year and this year they raise the giving levels for people to attend the pre-game orange club tent. Why? because the group was getting too big. Are you kidding me. That kind of event brings enthusiasm to the program. They did the same for basketball. Has our athletic director ever showed his face at this kind of event to thank anyone for supporting the program. A BIG FAT NO! He's too busy trying to figure out how to tie his Armani ties. When I found out yesterday about the IPF I felt like giving up. I'm tired of putting everything into attending games for football and basketball games to support the program, yet the University just keeps stabbing the football program in the back. I'm not sure I can keep supporting these programs both financially and emotionally. How in the hell does Shafer want to coach this program,. He's too good a guy to deal with this crap. What do we really have to look forward to next year? We still don't have a quarterback. There is not a single WOW recruit coming into the program. Our recruiting class is still rated in the 60's with no big time players ready to commit. I don't consider 3 star players big time. If Boeheim started bring in 3 star players, how long do you think we would stay a big time program? Season ticket holders need to shut up about moving games to NYC. Half of the season ticket holders were not even at the game yesterday. We played a team that just beat Notre Dame and we were going for our sixth win and only 21,000 people show up. If you want fannies in the seats, you have to #1 have an exciting team and #2 blackout all home games within 200 miles of the Dome. That may seem harsh, but the NFL does it. If it sells out within three days of a home game, put it on TV. People need to understand what big time football is suppose to be. So does the University. They want big time football, but they will never pay for it. We're going to find out very soon if our new chancellor has any stones. His actions will speak very loud, just like Buzz's did when he said "Get a life."

No season ticket holders do not need to shut up. That's the exact attitude that has caused some of the attendance downturn.

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[rrlbees]

it was BS the AD got stuck with a larger portion of the BE exit fee after the BOT already agreed the University would foot the bill. You think a University that fully back it's sports programs would pass it along? The move was beneficial for the University, not just the AD.

I will check again because it has flip flopped back and forth a few times but in the end I believe the fee got spread University wide and not stuck on the athletic department.

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[rrlbees]

Here are some answers to questions that have been raise in this thread. Yes, Nancy is gone. There is an interim Chancellor until January when the new Chancellor arrives. There were 3 large donations for the Melo Center. Besides Melo's 3 million there was also a 2 million and a 1 million. The new Chancellor seems to like sports from what he said when he spoke to us (the National Alumni Board, and the Alumni Club Presidents) at Orange Central. The I'm In campaign has been in the works for a very long time. I don't know if you all remember when I approached the school about the "44 for football" campaign. The athletic department was already looking at doing a major fundraising campaign. This was almost 2 years ago. The I'm In campaign was more inclusive of all sports. They have not "ramped it up for any reason other than the decision to work with the alumni clubs around the country and to break the I'm In campaign with our alumni clubs challenge. It was delayed slightly for this. If you went to the athletic site over the summer, the campaign was there. I am sure with Nancy gone, an interim chancellor on the hill and a new chancellor taking the reigns in Jan. it makes sense to wait on any major university funding. I am sure there will be some major donations for naming rights. We have too much football history and players with the funds and the love of SU football not to have one or two step up with some major donations.

I'm the one that posted Nancy was already gone. Thanks for confirming so I don't have to go back and verify.

Also thanks for confirming the large donations to the Melo Center. Most of us knew about 2 of them. It was silly of people to think that SU was just paying for the thing because it was basketball and now they won't for the IPF.

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[OttoMets]

I like Gross too. I just think there are some areas where he needs to bring on some expertise and it hasn't happened. If the finances are a wreck and the marketing is bad (which it definitely is) - then a new chancellor might be inclined to find someone new - which was the point of my post. I actually hope he stays on and am inclined to think he's a good dude despite all of the hollywood Gross flack he gets - but clearly they need to hire expertise in financial management and marketing - that's not snake oil that's basic responsible management.

Agree with all of this.

I like Gross quite a bit. His positive contributions have hugely outweighed the negatives. And I'm happy that he's spent for us to become competitive (or better) in the Olympic sports.

There's no doubt that he's delegating to some inept people, though. I'm not pleased with the fact that they're spending a couple million a year on what's essentially a jobs program in the athletic department -- with some exceptions, a lot of new positions created for people who are clumsy and unresponsive. And the deterioration of the game atmosphere at the Dome bothers me more than it does most; it's wholly the fault of the school and I'm sorry that they've done such a bad job.

So I'd like to see improvements there. Hopefully they can happen under Gross's watch. As for the practice facility, meh. That's the fault of people like me. We get the football program we pay for. Right now, that's not top-end.

 

[rrlbees]

I wonder how Marrone would react to the OP.

This will bring out the dogs, but Marrone was part of the problem.

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[cuseinchina]

Who authorized the groundbreaking announcement or whatever it was a couple of months ago? The mixed message is the problem, not the delay (though the delay sucks). Seems like Nancy was going to give Gross what he wanted on her way out the door - but they didn't act fast enough so now the thing gets stuck mid-stream. that's poor management on the part of the department.

 

[Full_Rebar]

it was BS the AD got stuck with a larger portion of the BE exit fee after the BOT already agreed the University would foot the bill. You think a University that fully back it's sports programs would pass it along? The move was beneficial for the University, not just the AD.

http://www.dailyorange.com/2013/10/...stration-develop-big-east-exit-fee-agreement/

The problem at SU is that Athletics has been bleeding money under DG and Cantor and many faculty are pissed that money has been going to cover Athletics "debt" instead of boosting the falling academic rankings. Morale at SU is pretty bad as many middle/lower end employees have gotten the shaft (positions left unfilled, low pay increases) while all these sr. level folks have been hired/paid well. People I know say that many people have left SU to go to OCC, and that others are hoping the new Chancellor will correct this issue.

 

[cuseinchina]

http://www.dailyorange.com/2013/10/...stration-develop-big-east-exit-fee-agreement/

The problem at SU is that Athletics has been bleeding money under DG and Cantor and many faculty are pissed that money has been going to cover Athletics "debt" instead of boosting the falling academic rankings. Morale at SU is pretty bad as many middle/lower end employees have gotten the shaft (positions left unfilled, low pay increases) while all these sr. level folks have been hired/paid well. People I know say that many people have left SU to go to OCC, and that others are hoping the new Chancellor will correct this issue.

Athletics are part of the value proposition SU offers to students that differentiates it from other large private schools with similar academic profiles. ignoring sports ultimately hurts academics because your applicant pool shrinks. They need to fix the rankings, but strange as it may seem, a winning football team is part of the answer not part of the problem. Granted other factors are more important but you need to think about what makes SU unique relative to peer institutions and make sure those things are as good as they possibly can be. Cantor really was a disaster. I hope they can recover from the mess she made...it is far from certain that it is possible.

 

[cuseinchina]

This will bring out the dogs, but Marrone was part of the problem.

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Can you elaborate?

 

[rrlbees]

That articles says what I had remembered. It went back and forth several times then ended up being spread across the university and not completely stuck on the AD.

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[Noexcuse]

I wonder how Marrone would react to the OP.

Probably would pack up his tent and grab the first NFL job that came his way . . . . oh wait . . . .

 

[Alsacs]

No joke when I read in this thread about Gross receiving a bonus for the Athletic Directors Cup finish I couldn't not think of the movie. Inside Job on the banking crisis. Where all these bankers and CEOs didn't give a crap about the big picture of the economy and all they did was allow speculation on assets and leveraging of horrible assets because they wanted a boatload of transactions to up the business of the banks so they could receive huge bonuses. If this is the type of crap that is going on in the SU AD office I will pissed off. Honestly, I am disgusted if the IPF has been shutdown for a while and it will lose this AD office A LOT of good will. You never stop something already started and expect it to be picked up a the same pace. Shutting it down is a joke and will lose my financial support now because it shows how dumb the AD office was for green lighting. I agree with IthacaBarrel 100% this AD office should be going after hundreds/thousands of small donations in the 100 to 500 dollar range and then the people who are hired should be wooing the rich alumni to supplement the funding. Instead it seems this AD wants the big donations first which is hard unless they had people unofficially commit.

Overall this crap show is enough for me to turn on Dr. Gross if they are true and I am going to communicate with him this week if he is in Maui and I will get the answers.

 

[anomander]

http://www.dailyorange.com/2013/10/...stration-develop-big-east-exit-fee-agreement/

The problem at SU is that Athletics has been bleeding money under DG and Cantor and many faculty are pissed that money has been going to cover Athletics "debt" instead of boosting the falling academic rankings. Morale at SU is pretty bad as many middle/lower end employees have gotten the shaft (positions left unfilled, low pay increases) while all these sr. level folks have been hired/paid well. People I know say that many people have left SU to go to OCC, and that others are hoping the new Chancellor will correct this issue.

that was what i remembered. I know the AD was only supposed to pay just under 400k, but was upped to at minimum around $1.8m. that's still another $1.4m more then originally thought. sure it was a compromise, i just thought the move was beneficial for the whole University, and the 5% originally agreed upon was fair enough.

 

[CuseOnly]

No joke when I read in this thread about Gross receiving a bonus for the Athletic Directors Cup finish I couldn't not think of the movie. Inside Job on the banking crisis. Where all these bankers and CEOs didn't give a crap about the big picture of the economy and all they did was allow speculation on assets and leveraging of horrible assets because they wanted a boatload of transactions to up the business of the banks so they could receive huge bonuses. If this is the type of crap that is going on in the SU AD office I will pissed off. Honestly, I am disgusted if the IPF has been shutdown for a while and it will lose this AD office A LOT of good will. You never stop something already started and expect it to be picked up a the same pace. Shutting it down is a joke and will lose my financial support now because it shows how dumb the AD office was for green lighting. I agree with IthacaBarrel 100% this AD office should be going after hundreds/thousands of small donations in the 100 to 500 dollar range and then the people who are hired should be wooing the rich alumni to supplement the funding. Instead it seems this AD wants the big donations first which is hard unless they had people unofficially commit.

Overall this crap show is enough for me to turn on Dr. Gross if they are true and I am going to communicate with him this week if he is in Maui and I will get the answers.

As much as we have had our differences of opinions on the MetLife games, I love this post Alsacs.

I would love to hear what you find out.

 

[Full_Rebar]

From what I gather, Cantor's departure has brought a lot of the financial issues to the attention of more people. Like I said many are upset that SU has claimed to have no money, but yet certain people have been letting the dollars fly. Seems like the AD was hoping that by agreeing to take a larger portion, it would stop a University push for them to pay the whole thing.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

No joke when I read in this thread about Gross receiving a bonus for the Athletic Directors Cup finish I couldn't not think of the movie. Inside Job on the banking crisis. Where all these bankers and CEOs didn't give a crap about the big picture of the economy and all they did was allow speculation on assets and leveraging of horrible assets because they wanted a boatload of transactions to up the business of the banks so they could receive huge bonuses. If this is the type of crap that is going on in the SU AD office I will pissed off. Honestly, I am disgusted if the IPF has been shutdown for a while and it will lose this AD office A LOT of good will. You never stop something already started and expect it to be picked up a the same pace. Shutting it down is a joke and will lose my financial support now because it shows how dumb the AD office was for green lighting. I agree with IthacaBarrel 100% this AD office should be going after hundreds/thousands of small donations in the 100 to 500 dollar range and then the people who are hired should be wooing the rich alumni to supplement the funding. Instead it seems this AD wants the big donations first which is hard unless they had people unofficially commit.

Overall this crap show is enough for me to turn on Dr. Gross if they are true and I am going to communicate with him this week if he is in Maui and I will get the answers.

You do that dude! You da man! (I'm doubled over laughing!)

 

[rrlbees]

From what I gather, Cantor's departure has brought a lot of the financial issues to the attention of more people. Like I said many are upset that SU has claimed to have no money, but yet certain people have been letting the dollars fly. Seems like the AD was hoping that by agreeing to take a larger portion, it would stop a University push for them to pay the whole thing.

The review of financial concerns in the AD started a year ago or more.

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[rrlbees]

No joke when I read in this thread about Gross receiving a bonus for the Athletic Directors Cup finish I couldn't not think of the movie. Inside Job on the banking crisis. Where all these bankers and CEOs didn't give a crap about the big picture of the economy and all they did was allow speculation on assets and leveraging of horrible assets because they wanted a boatload of transactions to up the business of the banks so they could receive huge bonuses. If this is the type of crap that is going on in the SU AD office I will pissed off. Honestly, I am disgusted if the IPF has been shutdown for a while and it will lose this AD office A LOT of good will. You never stop something already started and expect it to be picked up a the same pace. Shutting it down is a joke and will lose my financial support now because it shows how dumb the AD office was for green lighting. I agree with IthacaBarrel 100% this AD office should be going after hundreds/thousands of small donations in the 100 to 500 dollar range and then the people who are hired should be wooing the rich alumni to supplement the funding. Instead it seems this AD wants the big donations first which is hard unless they had people unofficially commit. Overall this crap show is enough for me to turn on Dr. Gross if they are true and I am going to communicate with him this week if he is in Maui and I will get the answers.

Would you be as upset if they hadn't had that grown breaking ceremony and had simply said they don't yet have enough donations to start work?

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[Toga]

Hasn't it been shown that success in the major sports results in a lot more applications for admission? Doesn't it stand to reason then that a reasonable percentage of those incremental applicants are of high quality? Connect the dots.

 

[Full_Rebar]

The review of financial concerns in the AD started a year ago or more.

I was referring to more of the financial issues on campus coming to "public" knowledge. The fact that the AD has been under review since before the IPF announcement makes this even more confusing.

 

[Moontan]

Thanks for the info but I wonder why we don't have a dedicated website like that?

That suggestion has been made to the department by several of us since the initial IPF rumblings started.

Other links to such efforts were provided at the time, including FSU's.