IPF

[rrlbees]

people could one up each other with phony insane gross spending stories and I would believe them all

What if most of them were true?

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[dollarbill44]

Seems like a lot of speculation, hearsay and 2nd/3rd-hand material in this thread. People believe everything bad that's written about SU and discount everything the University says as falsified a$$-covering and back-pedaling by a bunch of people who are short-timers who were out to bilk everyone from day one. - Gotta love the internet. I'm sure there is some truth in all of these postings. I'm also pretty sure that there's a bunch of garbage as well.

I get that the non-alum locals don't care about the sports other than football, men's bb and men's lax, but as a financially-supporting alum, I am happy with the improvements in the non-revenue sports. Gross was hired to direct the Athletic Department, which incorporates the entire universe of varsity sports at SU.

 

[Ozcuse]

people could one up each other with phony insane gross spending stories and I would believe them all

Then you would love my very entertaining (and factually impaired) story about the men's and women's cross country team, a private cruise ship, Herman Frazier, and a giant chicken suit.

SUAD mad libs might be fun...

 

[xc84]

5 pages later...

 

[bnoro]

Then you would love my very entertaining (and factually impaired) story about the men's and women's cross country team, a private cruise ship, Herman Frazier, and a giant chicken suit.

SUAD mad libs might be fun...

Does it end like the Vikings boat trip?

 

[SmilinBob]

Seems like a lot of speculation, hearsay and 2nd/3rd-hand material in this thread. People believe everything bad that's written about SU and discount everything the University says as falsified a$$-covering and back-pedaling by a bunch of people who are short-timers who were out to bilk everyone from day one. - Gotta love the internet. I'm sure there is some truth in all of these postings. I'm also pretty sure that there's a bunch of garbage as well.

I get that the non-alum locals don't care about the sports other than football, men's bb and men's lax, but as a financially-supporting alum, I am happy with the improvements in the non-revenue sports. Gross was hired to direct the Athletic Department, which incorporates the entire universe of varsity sports at SU.

Firsthand knowledge...Dr. Gross is a pretty good tennis player. That's it, that's all I got firsthand and now back to your regulatory scheduled programming.

 

[cusefan88]

That sign in Yankee Stadium probably costs a ton...

 

[bnoro]

Firsthand knowledge...Dr. Gross is a pretty good tennis player. That's it, that's all I got firsthand and now back to your regulatory scheduled programming.

he's a very good tennis player and plays almost every day over at drumlins

 

[Chip]

We're in a strange place when investing gobs of money is more critical to running a competitive college football program than it is to running a competitive pro franchise.

All this just makes me queasy.

Don't forget the part about needing to move to the conference that more than quadruples your annual conference revenue. But suddenly that money doesn't seem to mattter. Everyone needs to donate more, or we die. Because that's what all the other schools do.

"College" football... On the field, I love the sport. Off the field, I loathe it.

 

[GoSU96]

Some one got some 'splaining to do.

Either the Ath. Dept. has doubled down of a truck load of BS or some inside sources are as wrong as wong can be.

 

[Orangello]

Does it end like the Vikings boat trip?

More like the Booze Cruise episode from The Office.

 

[sufandu]

SU can't expect to do things the way other schools do them and succeed. They never have been able to and never will. They were one the, if not the, first Universities to get a corporate sponsor for their stadium. Why would they all of a sudden think they're going to get sufficient donations for an IPF, like everyone else, after what the last decade has looked like? That's not the way it works around here. It may work like that in other places, but Syracuse isn't other places, and it's not a state school. If SU wants a successful football program, they are going to have make the investment first, not the fans. That's just the way it is. If they're going to play a game of, "If you want to be a fan of a good team, then pony up," they might as well get rid of football. There aren't enough people that both care and have enough money to get the support they need.

 

[longislandcuse]

SU can't expect to do things the way other schools do them and succeed. They never have been able to and never will. They were one the, if not the, first Universities to get a corporate sponsor for their stadium. Why would they all of a sudden think they're going to get sufficient donations for an IPF, like everyone else, after what the last decade has looked like? That's not the way it works around here. It may work like that in other places, but Syracuse isn't other places, and it's not a state school. If SU wants a successful football program, they are going to have make the investment first, not the fans. That's just the way it is. If they're going to play a game of, "If you want to be a fan of a good team, then pony up," they might as well get rid of football. There aren't enough people that both care and have enough money to get the support they need.

The funny thing is if the university spends the money and we start winning then the fans and the donations will show up.

 

[xc84]

SU can't expect to do things the way other schools do them and succeed. They never have been able to and never will. They were one the, if not the, first Universities to get a corporate sponsor for their stadium. Why would they all of a sudden think they're going to get sufficient donations for an IPF, like everyone else, after what the last decade has looked like? That's not the way it works around here. It may work like that in other places, but Syracuse isn't other places, and it's not a state school. If SU wants a successful football program, they are going to have make the investment first, not the fans. That's just the way it is. If they're going to play a game of, "If you want to be a fan of a good team, then pony up," they might as well get rid of football. There aren't enough people that both care and have enough money to get the support they need.

First, Carrier made a donation to the Dome project and the school named the building after the company. It was not corporate sponsorship in the sense we know it today. It was actually philanthropy by Carrier. It was more like a private donor getting a building named in his/her honor... like the Melo center or various buildings on the hill. Second, why are you perpetuating the story that the IPF is in trouble? Do you know inside sources that contradict the story that things are moving forward as planned?

 

[chakka3421]

First, Carrier made a donation to the Dome project and the school named the building after the company. It was not corporate sponsorship in the sense we know it today. It was actually philanthropy by Carrier. It was more like a private donor getting a building named in his/her honor... like the Melo center or various buildings on the hill. Second, why are you perpetuating the story that the IPF is in trouble? Do you know inside sources that contradict the story that things are moving forward as planned?

It was my understanding that the IPF was only going to be delayed until spring/summer. It has a lot to do with money - BE exit fees, ACC income not here until mid 2014, donation commitments vs actual cash in hand, new chancellor and I have no idea if the Dr is staying or leaving or if their is any financial review to be completed before the new chancellor comes in. Personally if I were the new chancellor, I would want to full accounting of everything so that as the new guy I am only tagged for what I did, not the regime before me did. A lot of these unknowns will have been answered come early next year.

 

[TexanMark]

That sign in Yankee Stadium probably costs a ton...

Worth every penny...

 

[sufandu]

First, Carrier made a donation to the Dome project and the school named the building after the company. It was not corporate sponsorship in the sense we know it today. It was actually philanthropy by Carrier. It was more like a private donor getting a building named in his/her honor... like the Melo center or various buildings on the hill. Second, why are you perpetuating the story that the IPF is in trouble? Do you know inside sources that contradict the story that things are moving forward as planned?

I am in no way an insider and have no clue about the status of the IPF. I was joining the chicken-vs-egg debate about funding that was going on in the first page or two of the thread. I didn't read all of the pages, so if someone stated the IPF is on track and funding isn't an issue that's fine. May I ask why you singled me out since there were a lot of people weighing in on this?

In regards to "corporate sponsorship" it's really just semantics, isn't it? Maybe it wasn't a sponsorship as we know them today, but it was a corporation and not an individual donor helping to fund the project. That was unique within college athletics at the time, which was my point.

 

[sufandu]

The funny thing is if the university spends the money and we start winning then the fans and the donations will show up.

It's true. We're a "prove it to me first" fanbase. It's interesting how this is ok in most other facets of life but not sports.

 

[xc84]

I am in no way an insider and have no clue about the status of the IPF. I was joining the chicken-vs-egg debate about funding that was going on in the first page or two of the thread. I didn't read all of the pages, so if someone stated the IPF is on track and funding isn't an issue that's fine. May I ask why you singled me out since there were a lot of people weighing in on this?

In regards to "corporate sponsorship" it's really just semantics, isn't it? Maybe it wasn't a sponsorship as we know them today, but it was a corporation and not an individual donor helping to fund the project. That was unique within college athletics at the time, which was my point.

I agree. A college stadium being named in honor of a corporate donor was groundbreaking (no pun intended here).

Actually, if you go back and read my posts on this thread, you will see I didn't single you out but I was less subtle. I also posted the link to to the P-S article too which is the only thing on this thread that quotes anyone at SU. http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/11/post_26.html

That is what I was referring to. Obviously you are not the only person who is perpetuating the story that there is a halt to the project due to some funding crisis but so far, it's unsubstantiated. This entire thread is based on a few posts like that but none actually quote anyone at SU. People just make up what they want and it generates 5 pages of comments like it is some official status. I know it's the internet and that's sort of what happens but damn!

 

[sufandu]

I agree. A college stadium being named in honor of a corporate donor was groundbreaking (no pun intended here).

Actually, if you go back and read my posts on this thread, you will see I didn't single you out but I was less subtle. I also posted the link to to the P-S article too which is the only thing on this thread that quotes anyone at SU. http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2013/11/post_26.html

That is what I was referring to. Obviously you are not the only person who is perpetuating the story that there is a halt to the project due to some funding crisis but so far, it's unsubstantiated. This entire thread is based on a few posts like that but none actually quote anyone at SU. People just make up what they want and it generates 5 pages of comments like it is some official status. I know it's the internet and that's sort of what happens but damn!

I can understand the frustration. I usually try not to contribute to the rumor mill, but I suppose a quick read and comment, with no research, during a few minutes of down time at work can lead to that.

 

[retro44]

I agree. A college stadium being named in honor of a corporate donor was groundbreaking (no pun intended here).

starting to resembles Rutgers football... from the first game, to the last to gain from it. Scary thoughts[/quote

 

[rrlbees]

Worth every penny...

Didn't put a single fanny in the Dome seats.

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[CusefanATL]

I wonder how much has been raised so far of the 17 million needed?

over $50,000

 

[dollarbill44]

Didn't put a single fanny in the Dome seats.

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Unless you've surveyed every person who has attended a sporting event in the Dome over the last 4 years, how do you know?

 

[upperdeck]

isnt this IPF going up where they play field hockey? or am i off on where the site is? seems like they couldnt do much real work with fall teams using much of the area they need to work in anyway.