Mookie Jones is jealous of all the time Chris Bell gets. He was an even better shooter probably.Chris Bell would be nuts to transfer. There aren't many P5 programs that would give him the burn playing how he plays here. Lmao. Kid has it made.
I think that poster is implying Bell will not enjoy such burn after this season and will be given the talkChris Bell would be nuts to transfer. There aren't many P5 programs that would give him the burn playing how he plays here. Lmao. Kid has it made.
Don't think Chris would have got time on the team that went 34-3 either FWIWMookie Jones is jealous of all the time Chris Bell gets. He was an even better shooter probably.
Zero disagreement there. Southerland barely played himself and he'd easily be the best forward on this team.Don't think Chris would have got time on the team that went 34-3 either FWIW
You know what is going to be the great separator?Those are decent players and good guys, but I guess it all depends on what you want Syracuse basketball to be. If we want to compete with Duke and UNC and contend for Final Fours, these guys simply won't cut it unless they are the depth. If we want to squeak by Colgate and get laughed at by Uconn fans, then we can roll with 4 years of them as the main event. There's really no way around it, so why wait? Red's a new HC and needs to make a move for his own sake.
Sometimes, I see this board as an echo chamber for 5-6 posters (not pearl31). Somehow, if our five starters are not sure-fire first-rounders averaging 17-19ppg (in exactly 29-31 minutes) and every bench player does not show up on the All-ACC third team, then we need to start sending out calendar invites for "the talk" with multiple players? At midseason?
Please, let these kids play, let Red/staff coach and stop treating the program like your dreadful fantasy football team that you quit on mid-season because your QB got injured.
- Bell is a helluva shooter and growing on the defensive end.
- JT is gonna get better as an upperclassman. He's Mike Hopkins v.1994. A winning player.
- Carey can help us win games in the coming years. He could be JB Reifsnyder for a new generation.
Hard to think of a team he would get time on.Don't think Chris would have got time on the team that went 34-3 either FWIW
Agreed that 7-9 guys aren't leaving and I think Red's mostly rolling with his guys plus the two recruits. Also agree JJ's a foundational piece and I actually think he's going to be really good next year. And I agree being old is important in college basketball. But I disagree that bringing in transfers is the wrong approach -- everyone in college basketball understands you pretty much have to play the transfer game every year to be good, with very few exceptions. I'm not saying I like it, but that's where we're at. Losing Judah and adding the two talented freshmen isn't good enough -- we need to play the portal game at the very least at the SF position.You know what is going to be the great separator?
Cohesion. Strength. Maturity. Experience. Coaching! Not getting younger. Not brining in a wave of free agents/portal/wildcard guys. Sure, a hole or two can be plugged here or there. But for those of you that think that 7-9 guys on this roster are leaving (or being told to leave), you’re going to be disappointed. Which is really bad for the rest of us, because you’ll spend the next 8 months spewing the same buLlcr@p to your echo chamber chronies.
And to the echo chamber guy above who suggested that JJ might not be back, I am now beyond certain that you know nothing about basketball. Nothing. Starling is a foundation piece of the program. Sorry. Not sorry.
We did that for the last decade under a HOF coach. Do you know where it got the program?Cohesion. Strength. Maturity. Experience. Coaching! Not getting younger. Not brining in a wave of free agents/portal/wildcard guys.
Red made an interesting comment during his radio appearance last night that made me think some guys are going to get "the talk". One of the questions was about how to close the gap with the top tier teams and his response was along the lines of they have more talented players than we do. He didnt say that directly but that was the vibe of the answer imo.Agreed that 7-9 guys aren't leaving and I think Red's mostly rolling with his guys plus the two recruits. Also agree JJ's a foundational piece and I actually think he's going to be really good next year. And I agree being old is important in college basketball. But I disagree that bringing in transfers is the wrong approach -- everyone in college basketball understands you pretty much have to play the transfer game every year to be good, with very few exceptions. I'm not saying I like it, but that's where we're at. Losing Judah and adding the two talented freshmen isn't good enough -- we need to play the portal game at the very least at the SF position.
From my post:Agreed that 7-9 guys aren't leaving and I think Red's mostly rolling with his guys plus the two recruits. Also agree JJ's a foundational piece and I actually think he's going to be really good next year. And I agree being old is important in college basketball. But I disagree that bringing in transfers is the wrong approach -- everyone in college basketball understands you pretty much have to play the transfer game every year to be good, with very few exceptions. I'm not saying I like it, but that's where we're at. Losing Judah and adding the two talented freshmen isn't good enough -- we need to play the portal game at the very least at the SF position.
Pretty obvious that Red is not going to pattern his program off JAB’s recruiting tendencies of his final 3-4 seasons, when he went all in a shooting and the tricked up Zone (aka zone adjustments). Our margin was so narrow, but it was as how he wanted to go out. It’s over and we cannot change it.We did that for the last decade under a HOF coach. Do you know where it got the program?
Two years ago we had a team that started three seniors and a junior (two of whom got NBA sniffs). That got us a losing season.
If Taylor shot 35% from 3 consistently he’d be more valuable than Bell. Bell does nothing else. Taylor plays defense and rebounds on the defensive end as good as anyone else on the team. The athleticism is a moot point because Bell just doesn’t have a nose for the ball. He’s Mookie Jones.I don't see a starting spot for JT on a good team. He's only playable if he's shooting more than 35% from deep. He's a bigger, less athletic version of Bell. He can rebound a little for his size, but that's damning with faint praise; On a team with a functional big man rotation he's a 3 with the PF and C eating up most of the boards.
We're 296th in the country in defensive rebounding percentage; "Rebounds on the defensive end as good as anyone else on the team" is hardly a compliment, even if it is better than Bell. And JT has two steals and two blocks in 138 minutes of ACC play.If Taylor shot 35% from 3 consistently he’d be more valuable than Bell. Bell does nothing else. Taylor plays defense and rebounds on the defensive end as good as anyone else on the team. The athleticism is a moot point because Bell just doesn’t have a nose for the ball. He’s Mookie Jones.
I'm thinking that neither Bell nor Taylor are starters on a contender. The question is, do either of them stick around if we recruit a starter from the portal at their position?We're 296th in the country in defensive rebounding percentage; "Rebounds on the defensive end as good as anyone else on the team" is hardly a compliment, even if it is better than Bell. And JT has two steals and two blocks in 138 minutes of ACC play.
No kidding. That’s all we can compare it to.We're 296th in the country in defensive rebounding percentage; "Rebounds on the defensive end as good as anyone else on the team" is hardly a compliment, even if it is better than Bell. And JT has two steals and two blocks in 138 minutes of ACC play.
Freeman is starting next year. There‘s zero scenario he’s behind Benny.I'm thinking that neither Bell nor Taylor are starters on a contender. The question is, do either of them stick around if we recruit a starter from the portal at their position?
Next season, we could easily have:
C: Portal, Brown, McLeod, Carey/Patterson
: Brown, Williams, Freeman, Taylor, Bell
: Portal, Williams, Freeman, Bell, Taylor
G: Copeland, Cuffe, Moore
G: Starling, Cuffe, Moore
You'll notice that's over roster limits. Do one or more of Williams/Taylor/Bell/McLeod leave if they get recruited over?
Back to the topic at hand... Brown is a below average shotblocker and rebounder at center, but he'd be very good at those skills compared to a forward. Getting a center who takes some of that load to be the starter helps two positions. Getting a portal forward that can do everything in one player that we currently get from Bell and Taylor combined would make the team great.
Not to grave-dance, but it's telling that Justin was nowhere to be seen in winning time (nor should he have been).We're 296th in the country in defensive rebounding percentage; "Rebounds on the defensive end as good as anyone else on the team" is hardly a compliment, even if it is better than Bell. And JT has two steals and two blocks in 138 minutes of ACC play.
Need to figure Westerly in there also!!I'm thinking that neither Bell nor Taylor are starters on a contender. The question is, do either of them stick around if we recruit a starter from the portal at their position?
Next season, we could easily have:
C: Portal, Brown, McLeod, Carey/Patterson
: Brown, Williams, Freeman, Taylor, Bell
: Portal, Williams, Freeman, Bell, Taylor
G: Copeland, Cuffe, Moore
G: Starling, Cuffe, Moore
You'll notice that's over roster limits. Do one or more of Williams/Taylor/Bell/McLeod leave if they get recruited over?
Back to the topic at hand... Brown is a below average shotblocker and rebounder at center, but he'd be very good at those skills compared to a forward. Getting a center who takes some of that load to be the starter helps two positions. Getting a portal forward that can do everything in one player that we currently get from Bell and Taylor combined would make the team great.
will be the two best players on the team next year?
Does the recruiting success of HCFB indicate to us that HCAA should move on from one of his assistants and bring in a proven, great recruiter, or does the incoming class give hope that he can recruit at a high level?
Red made an interesting comment during his radio appearance last night that made me think some guys are going to get "the talk". One of the questions was about how to close the gap with the top tier teams and his response was along the lines of they have more talented players than we do. He didnt say that directly but that was the vibe of the answer imo.
9:10 mark here