Is Marrone on the hot (or even warm) seat in 2012?

[orangenirvana]

Is it true that Marrone signed a five-year deal before the 2009 season? If so, that means he's signed on through the 2013 season.

I've never seen a college football coach go into a season as a lame duck (either the coach is extended or they buy out the remaining year), which is what Marrone would be next year unless he is offered an extension before August of 2013. I'm sure lame ducks happen in college football, but I'd have to think it's pretty bad for recruiting. I'm real surprised SU didn't offer him an extension after 2010, but as far as I know it didn't happen. And it hasn't happened.

So if Marrone hasn't been offered an extension up to this point, would SU extend him with a 5-7 or worse 2012 season?

People scoffed at my notion that Marrone could be in deep trouble with anything less than 6 wins, especially after cutting off media coverage of the team. Would the fans be happy (whether or not that matters anymore) enough with a 5-7 record in 2012 to buy into a contract extension for the head coach?

I didn't personally see anyone celebrating our 5-7 record last year. How about back-to-back 5-7 seasons? Would the fans then be okay with a press conference in December to announce that Marrone has signed a 3-year contract extension?

I'm just very curious to know if the majority here believes 2012 is or is not a make-or-break year.

I hate these type of threads, but when the coach closes shop during spring practice I guess this is what we have to talk about.

 

[SUFan44]

No.

 

[TexanMark]

It'll be warm if he ends up with only 3-4 wins this year with no extension. I think 5-6 wins gets an extension.

 

[xc84]

It all depends on what the team looks like. It won't simply be based on number of wins. A young 5 win team may be poised for a breakout year the next year. They won't just go by number of wins. With GRob, there was no light at the end of the tunnel...so he was canned.

 

[Marsh01]

I agree with Mark. If we win 5-6 games I think he is more than safe. Anything less will be interesting to se what happens especially if they end up something like 3-9.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Is it a smart move for SU to fire Marrone and look for a replacement while it's still operating on a Big East budget? I would prefer to wait a few years and go coach shopping with an ACC checkbook.

Barring a disaster of "Grobesque" proportions (2-10 or worse), I don't think Marrone is going anywhere this season.

I can see Marrone given an extension with an amended "buyout clause", and at least 2 more years of leeway. By the time SU has transitioned into the ACC and paid off the exit fees, we'll know where we stand.

 

[SoBristol]

Flip the question: what would earn Doug an extension at the end of this season?
**win a couple of games in November, for a change
**land three 4 star recruits (WR, RB, LB) to indicate that recruiting is truly on the right track (0r some other combination that shows he is making an impression on parents and potential recruits)
**run the program in a positive way (smart play on the field; athletes who stay out of trouble)

 

[OrangePA]

My recollection was that Marrone received a five-year contract.

If that's true, he has two more years to go.

The lack of news regarding an extension at this point is meaningless and will continue to be meaningless through 2012 season.

Marrone is not on the hot seat or warm seat or however you want to raise this issue.

The issues/challenges with the program are far more fundamental than Coach Marrone - and the administration knows that.

 

[SmilinBob]

I agree with those that said if the team shows progress and is in games and doesn't look g-robbed, he'll stay as coach. Injuries could again play a part in this as well.

 

[Millhouse]

My recollection was that Marrone received a five-year contract.

If that's true, he has two more years to go.

The lack of news regarding an extension at this point is meaningless and will continue to be meaningless through 2012 season.

Marrone is not on the hot seat or warm seat or however you want to raise this issue.

The issues/challenges with the program are far more fundamental than Coach Marrone - and the administration knows that.

"Should be" and "is" aren't the same thing. Should he be on the hot seat? Eh, I don't know. I might conclude that eventually. Is he on the hot seat? No way.

Down side of taking a cellar dweller job is you get basement cellar players. Bright side of taking a cellar dweller job is you get a long leash.

if he gets 3 wins this year (that's where i think they'll be actually, 3 or 4, and I'm going to try not to freak out over it), he'll have double the wins of robinson in the same amount of time. right or wrong winning double what the previous coach did probably gets you more years than that previous coach.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I think Extreme hit the nail on head, 5-6 wins the fan base wont be thrilled especially at 5 but Marrone will be back unless theres a similar huge collapse down the stretch.

The problem Marrone is going to have is if the wheels fall off and were lookign at 3-9 4-8 or god help us 2-10. While I personally dont see us losing that many games the OOC is pretty brutal and with are well documented struggles against Pitt and Lville not to mention UConn somehow, its not that hard to see how the season could come off track. The key will be the NW game, I know everyone always says that every year but really this year its even more critical. This SU team needs to open with a win because beating USC isnt happening and the mother of all nightmare scenarios could play out if you have an 0-2 SU team coming in to face a 1-AA Stony Brook team full of NYC kids who SU "passed over" who is going to be playing like its there superbowl.

 

[JeremyCuse]

"Should be" and "is" aren't the same thing. Should he be on the hot seat? Eh, I don't know. I might conclude that eventually. Is he on the hot seat? No way.

Down side of taking a cellar dweller job is you get basement cellar players. Bright side of taking a cellar dweller job is you get a long leash.

if he gets 3 wins this year (that's where i think they'll be actually, 3 or 4, and I'm going to try not to freak out over it), he'll have double the wins of robinson in the same amount of time. right or wrong winning double what the previous coach did probably gets you more years than that previous coach.

I agree with your post but if Marrone only gets 3 wins this year he will be in big trouble, there are a lot of people within the program and outside who feel the honeymoon is over and a 3 win season with the ACC looming is going to be a nightmare for Gross. Not saying he will be let go but people are kidding themselves if they think hes ok no matter what.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

6 wins or "hot seat".. we have to get to a bowl game this year... USC and Missou only two games were we dont have a 50/50 chance at winning. For some sick reason Marrone like road games better because he has more control..so he is probably happy with the schedule...

 

[tipphill]

no he is not. agree with orange pa, issues are deeper than marrone. what he failed at last year was intractable and a lack of team cohesion and identity. his presser seems to indicate that he is now aware of it and maybe he is more approachable. if gross had not engineered the acc move, he may have been on the hot seat next year due to lack of fund raising for facilities. i feel better about marrone coming into this season than i did last year.my prediction for last year was 4-8, this year 7-5 maybe 8-4. big opening win. (wow did i say all that?)upset special is we beat mizzou

 

[OrangePA]

"Should be" and "is" aren't the same thing. Should he be on the hot seat? Eh, I don't know. I might conclude that eventually. Is he on the hot seat? No way.

Down side of taking a cellar dweller job is you get basement cellar players. Bright side of taking a cellar dweller job is you get a long leash.

if he gets 3 wins this year (that's where i think they'll be actually, 3 or 4, and I'm going to try not to freak out over it), he'll have double the wins of robinson in the same amount of time. right or wrong winning double what the previous coach did probably gets you more years than that previous coach.

I have no problem with lowered expectations at this point.

I think you're right - it will take time.

But it is headed in the right direction - the right way.

 

[bnoro]

Flip the question: what would earn Doug an extension at the end of this season?
**win a couple of games in November, for a change
**land three 4 star recruits (WR, RB, LB) to indicate that recruiting is truly on the right track (0r some other combination that shows he is making an impression on parents and potential recruits)
**run the program in a positive way (smart play on the field; athletes who stay out of trouble)

I don't think Dr. Gross is going to look at our Rivals page to see how many 4 stars that Doug has landed.

 

[kingottoiii]

This year would have to be a total disaster for Marrone to be let go. I think he at worst will finish out his contract. Also the chances of SU getting a "name" guy to replace him is slim to none. So there is no rush to get the "hot" guy. The only possibilities I could see are Terry Bowden and RRod. I think both are too tainted to get a HC gig at a big FB school. So IMO both would be willing to consider SU, if we can afford a $2.5 million HC. So if both are successful the next two years, AND Marrone fails (which still is a big ?) then I would check with those guys for their interest. I think RRod would be a good fit. He doesn't recruit studs, he gets guys who fit his system. Which IMO is what you need at SU. We won't out talent other schools. Plus his system on the fast track of the Dome will put up plenty of points.

 

[rosconey]

This year would have to be a total disaster for Marrone to be let go. I think he at worst will finish out his contract. Also the chances of SU getting a "name" guy to replace him is slim to none. So there is no rush to get the "hot" guy. The only possibilities I could see are Terry Bowden and RRod. I think both are too tainted to get a HC gig at a big FB school. So IMO both would be willing to consider SU, if we can afford a $2.5 million HC. So if both are successful the next two years, AND Marrone fails (which still is a big ?) then I would check with those guys for their interest. I think RRod would be a good fit. He doesn't recruit studs, he gets guys who fit his system. Which IMO is what you need at SU. We won't out talent other schools. Plus his system on the fast track of the Dome will put up plenty of points.

nope- find a lower level guy who wins and wants to upgrade- im not a big believer in syracuse going big money-they dont have it and you can still find a good coach at the lower level programs-

anyone but a nfl guy

 

[Scooch]

No.

Agree with Millhouse, we'll probably win 4 games and people here will lose their collective minds. But barring a GumpRob 1-2 win season where the team looks like they haven't practiced then he's not going anywhere.

I think 2013 is the make/break year IMHO. Not that he'll need to win 9 games or anything, but there needs to be demonstrable winning/tanglible progress occuring or else there will be legitimate heat. When 90+% of the roster is yours and you've had 4 full years to implement a system, then it's time where there needs to be ultimate accountability. But we're not there yet.

 

[SoBristol]

I don't think Dr. Gross is going to look at our Rivals page to see how many 4 stars that Doug has landed.

Maybe not rivals if that is your point -- but he will sure know whether Doug has landed top talent via recruiting. If you bring in the skill guys who are heavily recruited by our rivals, everyone knows. Pretty obvious -- it is wins in November, but also building the talent base.
Conversely, you whiff against rivals in November, you better be on a roll with recruiting.

 

[orangenirvana]

I have no problem with lowered expectations at

Have you ever had anything other than lowered expectations? Serious question not trying to bust balls. Based on your posting history I would be surprised is all.

 

[orangenirvana]

Also the chances of SU getting a "name" guy to replace him is slim to none.

Why does SU need a "name" guy?

 

[kirbivore]

Is it true that Marrone signed a five-year deal before the 2009 season? If so, that means he's signed on through the 2013 season.

I've never seen a college football coach go into a season as a lame duck (either the coach is extended or they buy out the remaining year), which is what Marrone would be next year unless he is offered an extension before August of 2013. I'm sure lame ducks happen in college football, but I'd have to think it's pretty bad for recruiting.

That's why Pasqualoni being a lame duck in 2005 was a bad idea. They either had to fire him or give him a contract extension. If he could have figured out how to stop Walter Washington over left guard he'd still be here.

 

[orangenirvana]

That's why Pasqualoni being a lame duck in 2005 was a bad idea. They either had to fire him or give him a contract extension. If he could have figured out how to stop Walter Washington over left guard he'd still be here.

Exactly. You can't leave a college football coach hanging in the wind by leaving him unsigned during a contract year. Those who don't believe that would be a big deal are foolish IMO.

 

[rrlbees]

The issues/challenges with the program are far more fundamental than Coach Marrone - and the administration knows that.

How long have we had these fundamental issues in the program and when did the administration discover them? I'm curious because these fundamental issues have gotten a lot of talk the past year.