Jesse returning

[dasher]

This conversation reminds me of the old Steve Martin skit, "How to be a millionaire and never have to pay taxes."

Step 1: get a million dollars...

I'm confident we can recruit better players too, But the question-- which isn't unreasonable to ask, at all, given how things are unfolding -- is who? If we aren't going to actively recruit the portal, and we've already brought in a five-player freshman class, and if we miss out on the one freshman where group were actively pursuing (Mintz), then who?

And if we don't have anyone lined up, then it's asinine to talk about cutting players to free up scholarships. That's all.

"Asinine"? That is ridiculous. I want to win. I hope the coaches want to win. To win, we need better players. The portal will have over 1000 kids in it. I bet over 900 of them are better than JBA and Owens. It would be asinine to not go after those kids if we have the chance. Here is my bottom line, if Chaz and JBA leave, and we don't replace them, it will have no difference in our season won loss record. They don't add anything other than being good kids.

 

[RF2044]

"Asinine"? That is ridiculous. I want to win. I hope the coaches want to win. To win, we need better players. The portal will have over 1000 kids in it. I bet over 900 of them are better than JBA and Owens. It would be asinine to not go after those kids if we have the chance.

It sure would, but JB publicly stated that's not what he plans to do.

Don't get mad at me pointing out what he said.

 

[dasher]

It sure would, but JB said we're not going to.

So don't get mad at me.

He didn't say exactly that. He said he was going to add a guard. And a forward if Cole leaves. I do disagree with that. It gambles too much on Benny. But as I just said, if Chaz and JBA leave and we don't replace them, it won't effect our win loss record at all. Nice kids. Not good players. Now, if they choose to stay, so be it. I wouldn't run them off. I don't go for that. But if they do leave, You or I could find better players in the portal, let alone coaches who do it for a living.

 

[RF2044]

He didn't say exactly that. He said he was going to add a guard. And a forward if Cole leaves. I do disagree with that. It gambles too much on Benny. But as I just said, if Chaz and JBA leave and we don't replace them, it won't effect our win loss record at all. Nice kids. Not good players. Now, if they choose to stay, so be it. I wouldn't run them off. I don't go for that. But if they do leave, You or I could find better players in the portal, let alone coaches who do it for a living.

And again, I never said it would impact our record at all. I never suggested that those guys would play. I just said unless we have someone lined up to replace them, that it doesn't make sense to discuss their departure.

It's not a debate about how good they are, whether there are other better players out there, or whether we could or should recruit more players. If the option is having them on the team or having those scholarships open, I would rather have them on the team. If we're going to hit the portal or go after high school players, and we can actually land someone who would contribute, then by all means give them the talk.

But if mintz ends up not coming here, I'm not sure where all these players are going to magically come from. I take JB at face value on this, I think Cole is most likely to return, and he'll roll with the returning players plus the five incoming frosh.

 

[dasher]

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[cali315phan]

What I "think" is different from there being a player lined up.

If it's Mintz, great -- but it doesn't look promising for him anymore. If there's some portal guard -- terrific. But it doesn't make sense to clear space without someone lined up to fill the spot.

I'd rather have JBA / Chaz if for no other reason than practice purposes than have the scholarship unfilled. As for "any random that's in the top 300," quit talking about it and go do it.

Yes. I'm Jim Boeheim. I'm all over it. Sorry for typing words on a post. On a message board. Chaz wouldn't start at Hamilton College. Shouldn't be hard to find better use of that scholarship. We're Syracuse. That's my point.

 

[RF2044]

Yes. I'm Jim Boeheim. I'm all over it. Sorry for typing words on a post. On a message board. Chaz wouldn't start at Hamilton College. Shouldn't be hard to find better use of that scholarship. We're Syracuse. That's my point.

Not anymore, we aren't.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

 

[Tony DeFranco]

Most important player on this year's team. When he went down, the ceiling dropped.

He was definitely our best player but the season was long over by the time he got hurt

 

[Sherman20]

This is gonna sound harsh but we need JBA to move on and do something with Chaz’s scholarships. At this point they are just give away sand we need to use them. We could use them for a legit transfer PG and a legit transfer forward. We are still not a great team if both those scholarships are tied up with those guys and we can’t use them to improve the roster. Harsh but it’s the reality and neither one of them will ever contribute or play meaningful minutes here

I’m fine if JBA wants to stay. He’s good for team chemistry. Can’t Chaz just move to walk on status so we can free up that scholarship?

 

[kcsu]

The most important player on next years team.

Fantastic news

 

[dasher]

Not anymore, we aren't.

We are still Syracuse. That hasn't changed, yet. People still look at the tournament first and foremost. And we haven't been the disappointment there that we have been in the regular season that we have been over the last number of years.

 

[JRHEETER]

We can’t just cut players….

Of course we can recruit better than JBA and Chaz but we simply cannot just cut them

Whose taking either one of them on their team???????? Where are they leaving????? If you’re them and you’re getting a free 70k plus a semester education for free why would you leave to potentially NOT have a landing spot.

As you guys have said, the portal is inundated. They would be 100% lost in the shuffle

 

[dasher]

We can’t just cut players….

Of course we can recruit better than JBA and Chaz but we simply cannot just cut them

Whose taking either one of them on their team???????? Where are they leaving????? If you’re them and you’re getting a free 70k plus a semester education for free why would you leave to potentially NOT have a landing spot.

As you guys have said, the portal is inundated. They would be 100% lost in the shuffle

Right. But I think JBA will leave if he can. Chaz, of course he won't.

 

[JRHEETER]

Right. But I think JBA will leave if he can. Chaz, of course he won't.

If they leave great, we need to replace them and I agree we should be chatting with guys saying “hey if these guys leave, would you come here”

 

[kcsu]

Maybe Chaz would leave for a D2 school so he could play.

 

[br801]

He was definitely our best player but the season was long over by the time he got hurt

There's a good chance the season ends up differently if he stays healthy, but we'll never know.

 

[kcsu]

This is gonna sound harsh but we need JBA to move on and do something with Chaz’s scholarships. At this point they are just give away sand we need to use them. We could use them for a legit transfer PG and a legit transfer forward. We are still not a great team if both those scholarships are tied up with those guys and we can’t use them to improve the roster. Harsh but it’s the reality and neither one of them will ever contribute or play meaningful minutes here

I dont agree. Teams are made up of stars, starters, top subs, scholie kids who dont play and walk ons. Friends are important. These two look like great Teammates. Guys like Benny, Cole Frank and others who could leave just might like them. And having your friends stick around is huge.
I truly believe covid and the inability of Kadary and others to experience SU as a normal student in part led to their leaving.
I hope both these kids stay.

 

[dasher]

I dont agree. Teams are made up of stars, starters, top subs, scholie kids who dont play and walk ons. Friends are important. These two look like great Teammates. Guys like Benny, Cole Frank and others who could leave just might like them. And having your friends stick around is huge.
I truly believe covid and the inability of Kadary and others to experience SU as a normal student in part led to their leaving.
I hope both these kids stay.

That means we can't bring in guys that might actually help us.

 

[kcsu]

That means we can't bring in guys that might actually help us.

No thats not my point. Jim should have thought about his roster vs pigeonhole himself. Its not the kids fault. I agree we need more talent but i hate running kids off.

 

[dasher]

No thats not my point. Jim should have thought about his roster vs pigeonhole himself. Its not the kids fault. I agree we need more talent but i hate running kids off.

I wouldn't run them off. I think (know) JBA wants to play. He won't do that at Syracuse. Chaz I think would stay and that is fine.

 

[kcsu]

I wouldn't run them off. I think (know) JBA wants to play. He won't do that at Syracuse. Chaz I think would stay and that is fine.

Agreed. Hope they both find a spot if thats what they want

 

[orangefog]

Please tell me if I’m wrong, anyone who knows for sure…Chaz, although on scholarship, is a walk-on. He has been granted an open scholarship each of his first two years. A scholarship that can be used for a recruited player. It technically isn’t taken from him, it just isn’t granted this year. It is different for recruited players, those scholarships are for four years. Is this accurate?

 

[Windyfly]

Please tell me if I’m wrong, anyone who knows for sure…Chaz, although on scholarship, is a walk-on. He has been granted an open scholarship each of his first two years. A scholarship that can be used for a recruited player. It technically isn’t taken from him, it just isn’t granted this year. It is different for recruited players, those scholarships are for four years. Is this accurate?

I sure hope this is true... we really need this scholarship open so we can be aggressive and add an experienced guard or land Mintz. That fact that we’re pursuing Mintz, tells me there should be at least one scholarship available...without knowing who would transfer up to this point.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I’m fine if JBA wants to stay. He’s good for team chemistry. Can’t Chaz just move to walk on status so we can free up that scholarship?

Easy to spend other people’s money.