Kent State to hire Sean Lewis

[blizz]

isn't this the deal we gave dino? or was it 6yrs

Obviously, we overpaid.

 

[tipphill]

This is $2.3 million total. Not yearly

thanks

 

[kcsu]

Im glad for Sean. I also like the fact that he will get head coaching experience which might put him in position to return to cuse if Dino moved on.

 

[orangenirvana]

That sucks. Was hoping Lewis was the guy to take over if/when Babers left.

 

[UnknownOrange]

That sucks. Was hoping Lewis was the guy to take over if/when Babers left.

Still could be

 

[elimunelson]

you're cool so I give you a pass.

He's the Ace recruiter that we have.

I think he's more than held his own coaching. This was a back 4 that mostly played man free and cover 1 with some deep quarters thrown in to boot. None of it that good to begin with. Chris Frederick and Scoop improved significantly this year. Transitioning to a zone heavy scheme, hell playing mostly zone at this level is not easy. The tackling and safeties busting on run fakes I will give you, but it was only significant in the last few games...not on Nick IMO, defense was a full blown hot mess to close the year out...

i wasn't trying to be abrasive about it just feel like he's the weakest link in that staff. How did he become an ace recruiter? Was he at some bigtime schools beforehand?

I feel like Nick needs to step it up on technique/scheme next year for me to be convinced he's a good secondary coach. I'm not a guy who will blindly support the entire staff bc i like Dino.

That was why my initial point of switching things up isn't the worst thing in the world.

 

[elimunelson]

Your missing that when we had players who fit, our secondary played pretty well. Many of those same guys who didn’t fit are now moving on.

I hope you're right and year 3 will determine it. I'm just pointing out the weakest part of this team has been secondary and it's not even close for me. Going into this season, the D-Line was supposed to be weak and it was not bad. I want coaches coaching up and we'll see this year.

 

[elimunelson]

Im glad for Sean. I also like the fact that he will get head coaching experience which might put him in position to return to cuse if Dino moved on.

If Dino was to leave, do u honestly think Wildhack would have just handed the program to Sean Lewis. That is the definition of insanity with the Shafer experiment. Everyone on this board, in hindsight, agrees not having a national search post Marrone was a bad idea.

I doubt he was getting this job if Dino had left. In fact Dino would have taken everyone anyway i bet.

 

[TheCusian]

If Dino was to leave, do u honestly think Wildhack would have just handed the program to Sean Lewis. That is the definition of insanity with the Shafer experiment. Everyone on this board, in hindsight, agrees not having a national search post Marrone was a bad idea.

I doubt he was getting this job if Dino had left. In fact Dino would have taken everyone anyway i bet.

You can see the difference, no?

Babers has a team predicated on a philosophy and system that can be really effective. If Dino gets poached because of that system and philosophy, it’s smart to stay in it *if* the guy you hire internally can be an effective HC. Gross tried and failed at that evaluation. That does not mean you don’t look internally ever again.

And in this case, Lewis was HC material. Wildhack might take in a few Kent State games...

 

[qdawgg]

You can see the difference, no?

Babers has a team predicated on a philosophy and system that can be really effective. If Dino gets poached because of that system and philosophy, it’s smart to stay in it *if* the guy you hire internally can be an effective HC. Gross tried and failed at that evaluation. That does not mean you don’t look internally ever again.

And in this case, Lewis was HC material. Wildhack might take in a few Kent State games...

I think you argued essentially the same thing when Shafer was hired if I recall. Shafer was HC material, had a system in place the players already knew, it was a proven system based on previous stops in addition to his work at SU.

People can always convince themselves that "something" makes a lot of sense by just adding up the positives. The fact is, like Shafer, Lewis has no HC experience. Nobody knows how he will do in that situation so it's not an unrealistic question. Of course there are differences but not a significant amount and the biggest commonality is no HC experience to really know if he can run a program.

 

[Alsacs]

I think you argued essentially the same thing when Shafer was hired if I recall. Shafer was HC material, had a system in place the players already knew, it was a proven system based on previous stops in addition to his work at SU.

People can always convince themselves that "something" makes a lot of sense by just adding up the positives. The fact is, like Shafer, Lewis has no HC experience. Nobody knows how he will do in that situation so it's not an unrealistic question. Of course there are differences but not a significant amount and the biggest commonality is no HC experience to really know if he can run a program.

Shafer wasn’t HC material.
He never called a game from the sidelines which means he had to learn that as a HC.
He wasn’t on the radar of any HC jobs in 2013.
Gross went for the cheap continuation hire.
Shafer’s hiring was stupid.

 

[MattyIce44]

Would Sterlin walk out on Charlie? You'd have to figure that Charlie will be back in P-5 in another year or two. Would Sterlin want to re-join the cult? Why did Sterlin and Dino split after the 2014 season?

Andrew was on the cult staff before, but not in as high profile a role.

Methinks it'll be somebody else...

Gilbert was a Briles GA at Houston in 2005. I would guess he moved from Bowling Green to Tulsa in 2015 to coach under Philip Montgomery when he was hired. Montgomery was Houston's Co-OC/QB coach in 2005. Briles/Montgomery likely connected Gilbert and Dino when Dino snatched him out of the Texas high school ranks and gave him his first real college job.

 

[qdawgg]

Shafer wasn’t HC material.
He never called a game from the sidelines which means he had to learn that as a HC.
He wasn’t on the radar of any HC jobs in 2013.
Gross went for the cheap continuation hire.
Shafer’s hiring was stupid.

Correct...

 

[Frozen]

Shafer wasn’t HC material.
He never called a game from the sidelines which means he had to learn that as a HC.
He wasn’t on the radar of any HC jobs in 2013.
Gross went for the cheap continuation hire.
Shafer’s hiring was stupid.

Marrone left rather late. January 6 if I recall. At the time I had no problem with continuation.

 

[Alsacs]

Marrone left rather late. January 6 if I recall. At the time I had no problem with continuation.

I wasn’t and I said it when it happened.
We were joining a new league we needed to make the correct hire.
Our recruiting class wasn’t good enough to hire an internal candidate with no HC experience hell not even stand on the sidelines during the game experience.
The Dabo incident year one showed he had to learn sideline decor.

 

[Pyle]

Lewis vs Lester 2018...Get your popcorn ready

 

[Chris02M]

Shafer wasn’t HC material.
He never called a game from the sidelines which means he had to learn that as a HC.
He wasn’t on the radar of any HC jobs in 2013.
Gross went for the cheap continuation hire.
Shafer’s hiring was stupid.

that late in the game we were in a tough spot

 

[elimunelson]

I think you argued essentially the same thing when Shafer was hired if I recall. Shafer was HC material, had a system in place the players already knew, it was a proven system based on previous stops in addition to his work at SU.

People can always convince themselves that "something" makes a lot of sense by just adding up the positives. The fact is, like Shafer, Lewis has no HC experience. Nobody knows how he will do in that situation so it's not an unrealistic question. Of course there are differences but not a significant amount and the biggest commonality is no HC experience to really know if he can run a program.

I was 100% in favor of Shafer at the time and still think it was the right decision at the time. Have to view these things contextually not in hindsight. My point about Lewis is i doubt they would have hired him post Dino b/c of the Shafer situation. Now it may be similar where he would have left and Wildhack would have no choice.

 

[Alsacs]

that late in the game we were in a tough spot

It was late in the game but we hired an on the job learner.
It was stupid.
Shafer wasn’t a HC.
Had no experience and there wasn’t a recruiting class to save plus MANY people I can name said Gross was aware that Marrone was looking at a pro jobs.
This wasn’t a shocker when Marrone left.

 

[SUforme]

Guess we can say he is the Kent State head coach rather than to be named head coach seeing it's on his twitter profile..lol

 

[UnknownOrange]

It was late in the game but we hired an on the job learner.
It was stupid.
Shafer wasn’t a HC.
Had no experience and there wasn’t a recruiting class to save plus MANY people I can name said Gross was aware that Marrone was looking at a pro jobs.
This wasn’t a shocker when Marrone left.

Can we just end all the Shafer stuff. It doesn't matter any more. Hindsight is always 20/20 and yes promoting him to HC didn't work. We should have hired someone else. You can be right a thousand times about it but it really means nothing now.

Onto Dino Babers' third season. I'm so over hearing about Scott Shafer & Doug Marrone.

 

[Alsacs]

Can we just end all the Shafer stuff. It doesn't matter any more. Hindsight is always 20/20 and yes promoting him to HC didn't work. We should have hired someone else. You can be right a thousand times about it but it really means nothing now.

Onto Dino Babers' third season. I'm so over hearing about Scott Shafer & Doug Marrone.

I don’t bring it up but Shafer was such a mistake I just post it.

 

[blizz]

i wasn't trying to be abrasive about it just feel like he's the weakest link in that staff. How did he become an ace recruiter? Was he at some bigtime schools beforehand?

I feel like Nick needs to step it up on technique/scheme next year for me to be convinced he's a good secondary coach. I'm not a guy who will blindly support the entire staff bc i like Dino.

That was why my initial point of switching things up isn't the worst thing in the world.

Didn't think you were abrasive, we're all just clowning each other all the time...no foul.

I simply disagree with attributing the abysmal performance of the back 4 to his coaching. I think you're giving in to the narrative fallacy, and it's a narrative born out of a very selective (and very flawed) sample. The last four games wasn't our season.

And he has outperformed as a recruiter. He came with very good relationships in Florida, which, I hope it doesn't need to be pointed out, are extremely valuable in recruiting parlance these days. I do not know the ins and outs like some on here, but would like to think I'm trying to pay attention. To my eye, it looks like he has expanded his area into Georgia and New York and has quickly developed some solid relationships. Thats the kind of person we need more of, not less.

 

[Shark58]

if Kent State makes a bowl before us...

 

[JEF44]

if Kent State makes a bowl before us...

We'd make a bowl if we played in the Mac or any other division besides the Atlantic. He'll we might make a bowl in the coastal.