Last Jedi Discussion (WITH SPOILERS)

[HoustonCuse]

Just putting a placeholder here for discussion once people start seeing the movie. Don't want to crush anyone with a spoiler in the other thread.

 

[Alsacs]

I am pissed with the 2 deaths from this movie.
Luke didn’t need to die in 8 that should have been in 9.
Snoke was underwhelming in how he was betrayed by Kilo.
Also it was cool they didn’t CGI Yoda and went back to the muppet.

The movie was flat the beginning and ending action and a bunch of
Filler in between.

I also I didn’t like how they tried to make the Jedi a religion and that it
Dying out would be a good thing. No chance that is what Lucas had in mind.

This movie was meh for me.

 

[Cuseregular]

I am pissed with the 2 deaths from this movie.
Luke didn’t need to die in 8 that should have been in 9.
Snoke was underwhelming in how he was betrayed by Kilo.
Also it was cool they didn’t CGI Yoda and went back to the muppet.

The movie was flat the beginning and ending action and a bunch of
Filler in between.

I also I didn’t like how they tried to make the Jedi a religion and that it
Dying out would be a good thing. No chance that is what Lucas had in mind.

This movie was meh for me.

Good not great like VII and rogue, somewhat forced and less moving which was the 180 degree opposite of force awakens. Think that's because it was less a nostalgic trip down memory lane but rather a goodbye to the old and on to the future with a new direction.

Still good though and I thin jj Abrams will expertly combine the old and the new in the final installment for a real satisfying conclusion. But another 2 year wait!

Anyway this analysis was helpful to get me to appreciate it more and fill in the gaps:
Our Super Spoilery STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Review | Nerdist

 

[DoubleDee]

Loved it. John Williams once again one of the biggest stars. Yoda was awesome. Perfect? Who cares? It was great. The only drawback, is just like Empire (the middle movie) it doesn’t have a hard ending or closure. It feels like a pause before whatever happens in 9.

 

[Trueblue25]

Meh.


Still cant help but feel like Kylo Ren’s a joke. Theres no real hateable bad guy. Luke and snoke’s deaths were really lame. Really disliked Leia floating to safety through space I mean come on.

 

[RF2044]

I liked it -- still processing, as I saw it late last night.

The one thing I'll say is that the big reveal surrounding Rey's parentage better be epic, given how they've set this up.

 

[Cuseregular]

I liked it -- still processing, as I saw it late last night.

The one thing I'll say is that the big reveal surrounding Rey's parentage better be epic, given how they've set this up.

Think they already revealed it and it is as Kylo ren said.

 

[Alsacs]

Think they already revealed it and it is as Kylo ren said.

They didn’t say her parents.
They inferred her parents were nobodies.

 

[RF2044]

Think they already revealed it and it is as Kylo ren said.

Maybe, but perhaps not.

Luke was pretty ostentatious about asking: "Who ARE you?"

I think there's more to the story, and that they are being intentionally vague about it.

 

[Cuseregular]

Maybe, but perhaps not.

Luke was pretty ostentatious about asking: "Who ARE you?"

I think there's more to the story, and that they are being intentionally vague about it.

Hope you guys are right as it would leave more to work with for ix and the arc of the story but in reading a lot online I think it's a done deal. Just like the kid at the end anyone now can be a Jedi or of the force. Think her parents were as ren noted, unfortunately.

 

[DoubleDee]

I liked the kid touch at the end. He clearly had a gift, but also represents a future generation of children who want to grow up and follow their heroes fighting the good fight.

 

[RF2044]

Hope you guys are right as it would leave more to work with for ix and the arc of the story but in reading a lot online I think it's a done deal. Just like the kid at the end anyone now can be a Jedi or of the force. Think her parents were as ren noted, unfortunately.

Maybe -- it is entirely possible that she isn't a descendant of anybody important, and that the narrative is that anyone can attain greatness.

That wouldn't explain however the inherent connection she seems to share with Kylo Ren, or why Vader's light saber seemed drawn to her over him, etc. I think there's got to me more to the story here than just her parents s-canned her, but time will tell.

 

[Trueblue25]

Maybe -- it is entirely possible that she isn't a descendant of anybody important, and that the narrative is that anyone can attain greatness.

That wouldn't explain however the inherent connection she seems to share with Kylo Ren, or why Vader's light saber seemed drawn to her over him, etc. I think there's got to me more to the story here than just her parents s-canned her, but time will tell.

Snoke manipulated the bridge between her and Ren.


Again, pissed how easily Snoke was foiled and killed.

 

[Cuseregular]

Maybe -- it is entirely possible that she isn't a descendant of anybody important, and that the narrative is that anyone can attain greatness.

That wouldn't explain however the inherent connection she seems to share with Kylo Ren, or why Vader's light saber seemed drawn to her over him, etc. I think there's got to me more to the story here than just her parents s-canned her, but time will tell.

Man didn't even notice that with vaders light saber thing, nor did I notice the kid at the end had the force within as he apparently levitated the broom to himself which I missed.

So yeah looks like they're setting up for the future with anyone potentially having the force within (not just Jedi), and think this is how Rey is infused with it too. Why so strong is the question so hopefully there's more to it along the lines of what you're thinking and not just that any tom Dick or Harry can have the force by will (which if so might explain her connection to Kylo ren as like with Lea gravitating in space and Luke force projecting/shape shifting to another location, apparently these are powers of the force never revealed in any earlier movie).

Regardless of note, this was the first time I've seen a Star Wars movie where no one clapped at the end, and it's taking me a longer while to process everything, but, again, here's hoping JJ Abrams with IX wraps things up well.

 

[Alsacs]

Man didn't even notice that with vaders light saber thing, nor did I notice the kid at the end had the force within as he apparently levitated the broom to himself which I missed.

So yeah looks like they're setting up for the future with anyone potentially having the force within (not just Jedi), and think this is how Rey is infused with it too. Why so strong is the question so hopefully there's more to it along the lines of what you're thinking and not just that any tom Dick or Harry can have the force by will (which if so might explain her connection to Kylo ren as like with Lea gravitating in space and Luke force projecting/shape shifting to another location, apparently these are powers of the force never revealed in any earlier movie).

Regardless of note, this was the first time I've seen a Star Wars movie where no one clapped at the end, and it's taking me a longer while to process everything, but, again, here's hoping JJ Abrams with IX wraps things up well.

The kid at the end was them basically trying to say Jedi is a religion and isn’t needed for the force.
Which again is BS crap that Disney is trying to change something that can be interpreted as religion to change part of Star Wars.

 

[Trueblue25]

The kid at the end was them basically trying to say Jedi is a religion and isn’t needed for the force.
Which again is BS crap that Disney is trying to change something that can be interpreted as religion to change part of Star Wars.

Could not agree more.

 

[Cuseregular]

Couple other things I missed: the light saber cracking in two during their struggle with some jewel falling out (Rey and Kylo), the kids in the end were from the scene earlier in the stables. These two different clips explain things and are interesting one of which thinks you guys are right re Rey's parentage:

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Ending Explained

 

[NineOneSeven]

The floating in space of Leia (name check) was a bit much

 

[Orangeman]

The main plots just keep getting worse in my opinion...sub plots with characters reasonably ok

And the "advanced bomber" technology which drops its payload???

 

[RF2044]

The main plots just keep getting worse in my opinion...sub plots with characters reasonably ok

And the "advanced bomber" technology which drops its payload???

...in space, no less.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Saw it tonight and agree with many of the other comments up thread about Leia’s hokey levitation to safety.

I struggled looking at Mark Hamil because I kept seeing Zach Galifinnakis (sp?). The old chubby bearded Jedi with short hair kept me thinking of Alan from The Hangover.

 

[Pearl309]

I’m sorry
I originally saw it Thursday night and was confused and almost disoriented by it.
I just saw it again and absolutely loved it. So many small things I didn’t pick up on and the story seemed more cohesive.
I think it’s an ESB will grow over time film.

 

[Orangeman]

I’m sorry
I originally saw it Thursday night and was confused and almost disoriented by it.
I just saw it again and absolutely loved it. So many small things I didn’t pick up on and the story seemed more cohesive.
I think it’s an ESB will grow over time film.

Honestly glad to hear this

The fleet floating out of dtsance plot?

 

[HoustonCuse]

Saw it today. It's a lot to take in. My overall impression is disappointment but there were some really cool parts.

The most glaring two things are:
1. They had absolutely nothing for Finn to do in this movie and so they had the whole casino planet thing which honestly amounted to absolutely nothing and was a distraction. Also I didn't find much value in the Rose character.

2. Call this too nerdy if you want, but the entire central tension of the plot involving the "chase" between the First Order ships and the Resistance ships staying just out of range. It was insane frankly. The distance between the two fleets was 100% determined by where the First Order fleet came out of hyper space. And so all the had to do was just jump in front of the fleeing Resistance ships through hyper space (or jump to a distant point and then back to a point in front of them or within lethal range of your guns). I mean on the one hand it was interesting in a traditional naval warfare sense because these are legit considerations (relative speed of combatants, range of guns, fuel stores and consumption), but this is a universe with hyperspace travel!! Imagine them just chasing these guys for 18 hours!!

I also found the Leia super man space flying thing to be really bad and below the standards of this franchise.

And finally I think they really missed a good opportunity with Luke. He was too closed off and they missed the chance to truly show him in real pain and guilt - not because he failed Ben Solo and lost him to the dark side but because of the unbelievable situation that he actually was seconds away from murdering his student and nephew in his sleep. This violates every ounce of Jedi teachings and is just impossible to justify in any circumstance but since they say that's what happened then Luke should be coming to terms that he failed the entire Jedi tradition and legacy going back thousands of years and all but ensured its demise and extinction. Could have been some good stuff in that but I felt they instead took a very shallow approach to it.

 

[Trueblue25]

The Rose character is ridiculously bad