Class of 2016 LB Taylor Riggins (NY) Verbal to UMass

[money3189]

I'm not sure why people get so down on NY/Rochester recruiting. You don't have to put guys into the NFL to have good college contributors. Guys like David Walker & Keith Downing worked out ok. Just in the last 5-6 years the Rochester area produced three of the top 10 recruits in the state (Jamir Jones, Zembiec) and Breedlove (McQuaid, headed to Lafayette). Alex Officer (Pitt), Chauncey Scissum, Devan Carter to Rutgers, Jarron Jones (ND), Jamahl Pardner (Pitt), Quentin Gause (Rutgers), Broyld, Jerome Lewis (VT), Sean Fitzpatrick (UNC), Matt Jones, Collier etc. Sure some of them turned out to be busts, but there are plenty of good players I'd rather keep close to home rather than see them play elsewhere. To Money's point, this should be easy pickings (if only we could crack the Aquinas code!)

people act like we are rhode island. there is players here

 

[CuseOnly]

first thing any coach will tell you. You recruit your own back yard. THE FIRST thing

Unless of course those kids don't have interest, then you move on. How many 4* and 5* kids have come to SU from NYS in the last 20 years? Hom many have gone elsewhere? It's about a 25 to 1 ratio went out of state.

 

[money3189]

So what you are basically saying is keep investing time and building relationships with NY HS coaches so that they can send their best kids to ND, Penn State, "insert factory out of state school here" just because it is "good for NYS football?

Sounds like charity work... and will get results like it has for the past 20 years for SU which is basically the 2nd and 3rd tier kids in the state. Result isn't worth the investment.

I would rather the coaches get 2nd tier kids from FL or OH than waste time here building relationships here for "the good of NYS football". It is about building SU football not NYS football.

No offense Money, I have a ton of respect for you on here as a poster.

Tha's normal in every state my man. you always invest time to build bond. Thats what football coaches do. Its a faternity. Why do you think showing value to the local community is wasting time? No one is saying the coaches should go and give offers to every kid in the state. Its called buliding your sponsers and getting support to the fans that come to the games. Thats why coaches hold clinics and team camps 7v7, 11v11 camps. To keep local connections with coaches and players. Everyone knows that. This is not charity.

 

[tep624]

first thing any coach will tell you. You recruit your own back yard. THE FIRST thing

I get that but I just don't think that area is worth the time and effort. Not until we're winning and we're not going to get back to winning on NYS second tier recruits. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[Statesman1]

Unless of course those kids don't have interest, then you move on. How many 4* and 5* kids have come to SU from NYS in the last 20 years? Hom many have gone elsewhere? It's about a 25 to 1 ratio went out of state.

How many 4-5* kids do we get from ANYWHERE? Plenty of good kids in the state that should stay home

 

[money3189]

Unless of course those kids don't have interest, then you move on. How many 4* and 5* kids have come to SU from NYS in the last 20 years? Hom many have gone elsewhere? It's about a 25 to 1 ratio went out of state.

Dont get recruit and landing commits mixed up. When I say recruit I mean show interest, listen to coaches, make them feel like they are apart of their vision. Make them trust you. Stop with the 4 or 5 stars. Who cares if they come or not

 

[money3189]

I get that but I just don't think that area is worth the time and effort. Not until we're winning and we're not going to get back to winning on NYS second tier recruits. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

what time? what are you talking about? I dont get what worth is to you

 

[Jake]

Interesting thread. I will say this - The last kid we took out of Rochester publicly dropped his junk in a high school basketball game before he ever set foot in campus and we still took him.

Then when he got on campus, he was given multiple opportunities to keep his lips off the bong but couldn't manage to do it.

Granted, we were desperate for talent and some of that forgiveness was self-serving, but we could have easily told him to find another school before he got here.

That was a pretty good solid by our staff. Short memories by some over there IMHO.

 

[tep624]

How many 4-5* kids do we get from ANYWHERE? Plenty of good kids in the state that should stay home

How many kids on your master list above did anything at the school they committed to other than 4 stars Gause and Jones?

Oh and to help you with the research, Collier flunked out here, Broyld had issues his entire time before being booted this year, Fitzpatrick transferred to Richmond and Lewis transferred to first UMASS and then Akron.

So have fun with that.

 

[CuseOnly]

How many 4-5* kids do we get from ANYWHERE? Plenty of good kids in the state that should stay home

You would think, we should have the best chance to land the 4-5* kids from our home state, correct? Yet we don't and it isn't because we didn't take the 3* kid from these schools like Aquinas in the past because we have done that and it hasn't helped in the least to land their top tier kids. Thats the point.

We have taken the 2nd and 3rd tier kids from NYS for 20 years and it still hasn't resulted in SU landing the top tier kids in the state. I think 20+ years is a big enough sample size to detect futility.

 

[money3189]

Interesting thread. I will say this - The last kid we took out of Rochester publicly dropped his junk in a high school basketball game before he ever set foot in campus and we still took him.

Then when he got on campus, he was given multiple opportunities to keep his lips off the bong but couldn't manage to do it.

Granted, we were desperate for talent and some of that forgiveness was self-serving, but we could have easily told him to find another school before he got here.

That was a pretty good solid by our staff. Short memories by some over there IMHO.

wow is Rochester that bad? They are the only city that have kids make bad decsions. SU never had a player from a different state get in trouble?

 

[Statesman1]

How many kids on your master list above did anything at the school they committed to other than 4 stars Gause and Jones?

Oh and to help you with the research, Collier flunked out here, Broyld had issues his entire time before being booted this year, Fitzpatrick transferred to Richmond and Lewis transferred to first UMASS and then Akron.

So have fun with that.

Wow. Haters gonna hate, I guess.

 

[money3189]

You would think, we should have the best chance to land the 4-5* kids from our home state, correct? Yet we don't and it isn't because we didn't take the 3* kid from these schools like Aquinas in the past because we have done that and it hasn't helped in the least to land their top tier kids. Thats the point.

We have taken the 2nd and 3rd tier kids from NYS for 20 years and it still hasn't resulted in SU landing the top tier kids in the state. I think 20+ years is a big enough sample size to detect futility.

and 80% of our players are from a different state. Are you saying those states suck too? Have to start winning Period. all this stuff will go away when that happens.

 

[Statesman1]

wow is Rochester that bad? They are the only city that have kids make bad decsions. SU never had a player from a different state get in trouble?

Totally agree. I'm not sure what the expectation is- in our heyday of '87 mid 90's we had tons of northeastern kids on the roster that pretty much were the backbone of the program- many of those kids were NY'ers. Not sure where all the vitriol comes from unless some guys just want to argue- David Walker by himself cancels out Collier/Broyld being knuckleheads.

 

[Jake]

wow is Rochester that bad? They are the only city that have kids make bad decsions. SU never had a player from a different state get in trouble?

That's not my point. I'm just pointing out that Syracuse hasn't always mistreated Rochester kids...which seems to be the point you made as to why we can't get kids out of there.

I'm merely pointing out that's not the case. And of course there are kids with issues that come from other areas.

I'm also not defending the way we treat Riggins. I just think it's disingenuous to correlate what happened with him as being a reason why we don't get the best kids out of the top schools in Rochester.

Even in the heyday of the late 80s and 90s those school shipped the best talent elsewhere.

 

[CuseOnly]

wow is Rochester that bad? They are the only city that have kids make bad decsions. SU never had a player from a different state get in trouble?

We have had plenty, that's for sure...

 

[money3189]

Totally agree. I'm not sure what the expectation is- in our heyday of '87 mid 90's we had tons of northeastern kids on the roster that pretty much were the backbone of the program- many of those kids were NY'ers. Not sure where all the vitriol comes from unless some guys just want to argue- David Walker by himself cancels out Collier/Broyld being knuckleheads.

we have recruited more knuckle heads from florida

 

[Statesman1]

and 80% of our players are from a different the state. Are you saying those states suck too? Have to start winning Period. all this stuff will go away when that happens.[/QUOTE

You would think, we should have the best chance to land the 4-5* kids from our home state, correct? Yet we don't and it isn't because we didn't take the 3* kid from these schools like Aquinas in the past because we have done that and it hasn't helped in the least to land their top tier kids. Thats the point.

We have taken the 2nd and 3rd tier kids from NYS for 20 years and it still hasn't resulted in SU landing the top tier kids in the state. I think 20+ years is a big enough sample size to detect futility.

Selector schools have been swooping in to grab the top talent since time and memoriam. Getting the Greens/Gedney's/Sales/Colliers has been the exception and always will be. Doesn't mean we shouldn't pursue the guys a notch below in our backyard. Walking away from solid local players is just dumb-

 

[money3189]

That's not my point. I'm just pointing out that Syracuse hasn't always mistreated Rochester kids...which seems to be the point you e made as to why we can't get kids out of there.

I'm merely pointing out that's not the case.

And of course there are kids with issues that come from other areas.

We recruit these types of kids in every state. you have to get the good ones. A kid like Riggins comes from a great family. Religous and he bleeds Orange. Ive known Ashton since he was 12. Had Kevin and Averin Collier in grammer school. All of them had to over come challenges early. Unstable situations.

 

[CuseOnly]

and 80% of our players are from a different the state. Are you saying those states suck too? Have to start winning Period. all this stuff will go away when that happens.

I didn't say anything about kids sucking at all from anywhere. I would rather get a kid from a coach/school area that wants to send kids here instead of a HS coach who doesn't just because he is in state and feels slighted in some way by some previous coaching regime.

Why is it that there are a lot of coaches throughout the country that have no issue sending kids to SU and the ones in state seem to have an issue? Seems the in state folks are being a bit overly sensitive, especially when HS coaches should know the recruiting game better than the layperson.

 

[money3189]

I didn't say anything about kids sucking at all from anywhere. I would rather get a kid from a coach/school area that wants to send kids here instead of a HS coach who doesn't just because he is in state and feels slighted in some way by some previous coaching regime.

Why is it that there are a lot of coaches throughout the country that have no issue sending kids to SU and the ones in state seem to have an issue? Seems the in state folks are being a bit overly sensitive, especially when HS coaches should know the recruiting game better than the layperson.

This happens in every state.

 

[anomander]

Tha's normal in every state my man. you always invest time to build bond. Thats what football coaches do. Its a faternity. Why do you think showing value to the local community is wasting time? No one is saying the coaches should go and give offers to every kid in the state. Its called buliding your sponsers and getting support to the fans that come to the games. Thats why coaches hold clinics and team camps 7v7, 11v11 camps. To keep local connections with coaches and players. Everyone knows that. This is not charity.

Not even trying to turn this into a Marrone debate, but this is exactly what he was doing with NYS. People were quick to point out how we always missed on the top guys. Considering that Marrone had just started putting an emphasis on the state I thought the returns were pretty good, but the ultimate pay off would have happened over the long term. I think we were just getting to a point where we were about to start seeing returns on the groundwork he laid in state. I get what you are saying about expecting a return without putting any work in. Then again the coaches have to reciprocate the love.

 

[money3189]

Really sounds like people have a problem with having a couple kids on the roster from NY. they rather have Jon Burton, Alryk Perry, Jamar Mcgloster, Taylor Hindy, PJ Batten, Tyler Provo instead. That's sad

 

[money3189]

Not even trying to turn this into a Marrone debate, but this is exactly what he was doing with NYS. People were quick to point out how we always missed on the top guys. Considering that Marrone had just started putting an emphasis on the state I thought the returns were pretty good, but the ultimate pay off would have happened over the long term. I think we were just getting to a point where we were about to start seeing returns on the groundwork he laid in state. I get what you are saying about expecting a return without putting any work in. Then again the coaches have to reciprocate the love.

He was getting there. and your right the coaches have to give back too.

 

[RMH44]

You would think, we should have the best chance to land the 4-5* kids from our home state, correct? Yet we don't and it isn't because we didn't take the 3* kid from these schools like Aquinas in the past because we have done that and it hasn't helped in the least to land their top tier kids. Thats the point.

We have taken the 2nd and 3rd tier kids from NYS for 20 years and it still hasn't resulted in SU landing the top tier kids in the state. I think 20+ years is a big enough sample size to detect futility.

Doug Hogue did very well.