Lydon to hire agent and enter NBA draft

[TinyManInside]

pretty sure you can find dozens of 40 percent 6'9 shooters in lower level conferences.

Didn't help Pittsnoggle very much.

 

[dasher]

pretty sure you can find dozens of 40 percent 6'9 shooters in lower level conferences.

have they played against the best players in the country? We'll see. maybe he will be told he needs to come back.

 

[dasher]

Didn't help Pittsnoggle very much.

You think Pittsnoggle was as talented as Lydon? I don't. I also don't think every player max's out on their ability at 22. Seems to me, there was a lot of negative things said about Malcolm Brogden last year. He seems to be doing just fine. He went in the second round I believe.

 

[Briancuse]

I don't disagree with anything you have said...and I ultimately think Tyler is gone.

But holy crap...everyone is declaring this year and I really think he could drop to the second round and not get guaranteed $.

Really really bad potential scenario for the kid.

Richardson, Ennis and Donte essentially had deals before they hit college. I don't think Lydon is in the same spot.

If he is told by Nba guys he is a 2nd round pick and he still leaves, its a really foolish decision.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Doesn't Michigan usually have a 6'9 to 6'11 3 point shooter every year?

 

[br801]

A lot of people here seem to confuse evaluation with "actively rooting against NBA success".

When I said that Tyler Ennis's chance of being a starter in the NBA was nil because he doesn't have elite athleticism, I wasn't rooting against his NBA success. I was giving my opinion on his NBA prospects. I also argued that because of his limited athleticism he was better off leaving after his freshman year instead of coming back and giving NBA more tape to view that would demonstrate his limitations. I doubt he would have ever been drafted if he stayed, best to strike while you have a chance.

I hope that Lydon gets drafted in the first round, I hope he gets guaranteed money, and I hope he has a long and excellent career. That said, I view him as a low ceiling, totally one dimensional NBA player and I really wonder what teams would spend a high draft pick on a guy who projects at something like 6 ppg and 3 rbg in 15 minutes off the bench? Not rooting against him, just giving my own evaluation.

I watch a lot of NBA and these players are freaks of nature. The interior guys are huge, strong, quick and athletic. I'm not sure who Lydon's going to be able to guard? Can't see him projecting as a high level rebounder or shot blocker against the talent in the league. Serviceable, maybe, but these aren't skills that I think will carry over at a high level. His one supposed PLUS level NBA skill is shooting from the perimeter, but he could barely hit the broad side of a barn for the last month and half of the season (only made 9 of his last 35 attempts from three to close out the year), and for every three point attempt he takes, he passes up 2 more decent looks. He's not going to be more open in the pros, and much of the time the guy guarding him is going to be bigger, quicker, longer, and have faster close-out speed. Do scouts really want to draft shooters that don't want to shoot? I'm expecting him to go in the last 5 picks of the first round or somewhere in the early second.

All that said, he's like Ennis in that I don't really see an avenue for him to improve his stock, so he should go if he has any shot to make it in the first round this year.

Again, I'm not rooting for him to fail, just giving an honest assessment. I want him to excel because every SU kid that does well in the NBA helps SU recruit in the future.

I've been reading this board for a long time and respect your opinions and evaluations. Trust me, you weren't one of the people I had in mind when I made the statement you responded to here. I will, however, stand by that statement.

 

[Alsacs]

Lydon was close with Hopkins. So short of a catastrophic fall in his draft stock I can't see him coming back.
TJ Leaf just declared for the draft today. Leaf is very similar to Lydon both will likely go in the first round.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Lydon was close with Hopkins. So short of a catastrophic fall in his draft stock I can't see him coming back.
TJ Leaf just declared for the draft today. Leaf is very similar to Lydon both will likely go in the first round.

Yup, and imagine how much better Lydon wouldve looked playing with Lonzo in that offense

 

[Briancuse]

Lydon was close with Hopkins. So short of a catastrophic fall in his draft stock I can't see him coming back.
TJ Leaf just declared for the draft today. Leaf is very similar to Lydon both will likely go in the first round.

I don't really see how that has anything to do with it, if your close or not, you need to make the best decision for you.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Have any of the Duke guys declared outside of Giles? I don't believe so.

 

[Alsacs]

I don't really see how that has anything to do with it, if your close or not, you need to make the best decision for you.

It matters. The other players who declared I am most confident in that fact Lydon is gone.
Atleast last year we didn't know till the combine.

 

[Alsacs]

Have any of the Duke guys declared outside of Giles? I don't believe so.

Jayson Tatum did as well.

Jayson Tatum declares for NBA Draft

 

[Cusefan0307]

Jayson Tatum did as well.

Jayson Tatum declares for NBA Draft

Ahh. I assumed him. Wondered about Kennard and Allen.

 

[dasher]

I would imagine that Tyler Lydon made a business decision in going pro. Quite frankly, to do anything else would be childish and ridiculous. Whether Hopkins is at Syracuse or on the moon should make no difference to Lydon. The only thing that matters is whether this is the right time for him to go. And unless he gets laughed out of the gym in Chicago, which I certainly don't expect, he will leave. Hopkins could have been named Head Coach at Syracuse as Wildhack took JB by the back of his neck and tossed him out of the Melo Center and Lydon should leave if that is what he and his family think now is the time.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Long conversation between Charles Barkley and Coach K on XM radio this afternoon about how most players should come back to build strength and maturity. Barkley was harping mostly on physical strength and K mostly on maturity and mental toughness. He went on to say 20% of the NBA is foreign players and college players would stand zero chance of competing in the international game anymore if on team USA.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Shooting is sooo valued in today's NBA and Lydon has great potential there.

 

[Ringostar57]

Lydon was close with Hopkins. So short of a catastrophic fall in his draft stock I can't see him coming back.
TJ Leaf just declared for the draft today. Leaf is very similar to Lydon both will likely go in the first round.

I'm beginning to worry that Lydon won't go until the second round.

 

[jncuse]

17 man roster.

Look it up uninformed haters. No point wasting any more time with your opinion on the NBA and player development because always refuse to listen to the facts anyway,

 

[CaptainJ]

You think Pittsnoggle was as talented as Lydon? I don't.

I think Pittsnoggle Vs Lydon(or Lyndon, the movie) could be an attractive part of the Saturday Night's main event card I am envisioning! I'm not sure if old school 1 on 1 or wrestling, but I think either could work if properly promoted. I just wish this had the them music in the background, but I tribute the uploader for this epic find!

 

[STEVEHOLT]

have they played against the best players in the country? We'll see. maybe he will be told he needs to come back.

you didn't mention anything about who he played against. You simply stated 6'9, 40 percent.

 

[RandygoCuse]

Ahh. I assumed him. Wondered about Kennard and Allen.

I think Allen is one of that had his stock drop when he stayed.

 

[BlackSquirrels]

pretty sure you can find dozens of 40 percent 6'9 shooters in lower level conferences.

No.

Doesn't Michigan usually have a 6'9 to 6'11 3 point shooter every year?

No.

 

[longislandcuse]

Thank goodness Lydon+ is going pro or I may have lost it.. (Leaf signing with an agent)

 

[Cheriehoop]

No.



No.

They have actually had 2 players the past few years. No disrespect to Tyler at all. No doubt he obviously must have some aspect of his game (shooting form, rebounding, defense ?) that makes him more of an NBA prospect over these guys.

Michigan soph -Moritz Wagner 6'10" 234 lb forward from Germany
Moritz Wagner College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Michigan junior - DJ Wilson 6'10" 240 lb forward from California
D.J. Wilson College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Tyler Lydon Tyler Lydon College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

 

[BlackSquirrels]

They have actually had 2 players the past few years. No disrespect to Tyler at all. No doubt he obviously must have some aspect of his game (shooting form, rebounding, defense ?) that makes him more of an NBA prospect over these guys.

Michigan soph -Moritz Wagner 6'10" 234 lb forward from Germany
Moritz Wagner College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Michigan junior - DJ Wilson 6'10" 240 lb forward from California
D.J. Wilson College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Tyler Lydon Tyler Lydon College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

I just highlighted a couple of comments that I thought vastly overestimate the availability of tall players who shoot very well.

Regarding Michigan having tall 3-point shooters, Wagner and Wilson fit the bill this year. They weren't in their regular rotation last year. Michigan had none in 2015, 2014 or 2013. That's the final year I checked.

With respect to draft ratings for the 3 players, they aren't very different. On ESPN Wagner is #24, Wilson is #29 and Lydon is #34 .

On DraftExpress Lydon is #25, Wilson is #35 and Wagner is not ranked.

Wagner's discrepancy is strange, but it goes to show that the two sites get different intel and update their rankings at different time. It also shows the volatility once you get into the late 1st round.