Lydon to hire agent and enter NBA draft

[Briancuse]

My gut says he leaves even if he's a second round pick because it's not likely his stock improves as a junior and we're Syracuse and of course he leaves.

That would be really foolish if he did that.

 

[HOFCeluck]

That would be really foolish if he did that.

Well that settles that.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Hence, why the NBA is obsessed with the age of the player when they draft them.

It's not just the NBA. "A study, published Wednesday in the online science journal PLOS ONE, suggests that the NHL is guilty of an age bias because it weighs its draft selections more heavily in favour of players born earlier in the year."

"The haunting knock on Rutherford is that he turned 19 years old on May 2nd and may be the oldest high school player in the class." (Link)

The younger the player who can hold their own against older players, the more attractive they are as draft picks.

 

[Briancuse]

Well that settles that.

So now guys who are 2nd round picks should leave?

 

[PauliePeppas]

I really think hell be an early second rounder and if hes fine with that cool but I hope hes not making a hasty decision

 

[Alsacs]

last year, somebody posted an interesting article doing statistical analysis around the age of NBA draftees, and how there was a much higher correlation to "stardom" [based upon some criteria they set about what that meant] and being younger when you're drafted.

So, age isn't the end all / be all by any means. You can definitely get solid contributors and even starters who are older players when they get drafted. But the likelihood that said older players ever achieve "stardom" is statistically much lower than it is for younger players. And please note, the study indicated that just taking younger players is no guarantee that they'd achieve "stardom" either, just that they had a higher chance.

Hence, why the NBA is obsessed with the age of the player when they draft them. It is just one of many data points they consider.

Yeah but who has become a superstar that because they declared early manifested in the NBA.
Westbrook maybe? He stayed 2 years in college though.
OJ Mayo had all the hype. Was a freshman and went ahead of Westbrook in the draft.

Him declaring got him paid but did he develop into anything more than just an slightly above average player?

This draft system is a joke. I don't blame players for leaving and getting paid. I have a problem with the draft becoming the baseball draft. Where in baseball draft picks take years to develop into pros. It shouldn't be like that for the NBA.

Teams are obsessed with age. Take a 20 year who can help you get better than a freshman who will take 2 years to be decent.

James Young perfect example my team the Celtics took him 16th in 2014. He is in his 3rd year now and still isn't ready. Celtics have paid for his development and when he is a FA he still won't be anything more than at best a 2nd team unit guy. I hate this pick he has done nothing to help the team and they used a mid first round pick on him. I don't blame the kid for leaving school and taking the money I hate the Celtics gambled on a stupid pick.

Every team is obsessed with finding the next Greek Freak. Well their aren't many Greek freaks out their taken . Unless my team really sucks I want players drafted who can help you win games.

 

[Cusefan0307]

So now guys who are 2nd round picks should leave?

Don't you find it odd that you actively root for our players draft stock to decline every year?

 

[Fly Rodder]

So now guys who are 2nd round picks should leave?

Guys who want to play professionally should leave, yes.

 

[RF2044]

Yeah but who has become a superstar that because they declared early manifested in the NBA.
Westbrook maybe? He stayed 2 years in college though.
OJ Mayo had all the hype. Was a freshman and went ahead of Westbrook in the draft.

Him declaring got him paid but did he develop into anything more than just an slightly above average player?

This draft system is a joke. I don't blame players for leaving and getting paid. I have a problem with the draft becoming the baseball draft. Where in baseball draft picks take years to develop into pros. It shouldn't be like that for the NBA.

Teams are obsessed with age. Take a 20 year who can help you get better than a freshman who will take 2 years to be decent.

James Young perfect example my team the Celtics took him 16th in 2014. He is in his 3rd year now and still isn't ready. Celtics have paid for his development and when he is a FA he still won't be anything more than at best a 2nd team unit guy. I hate this pick he has nothing to help the team and they used a mid first round pick on him. I don't blame the kid for leaving school and taking the money I hate the Celtics gambled on a stupid pick.

Every team is obsessed with finding the next Greek Freak. Well their aren't many Greek freaks out their taken players who can help you win games.

I don't disagree with anything you've said. But that's why there are really only a couple of contending teams in the NBA, and numerous teams trying to emulate what those teams do quite poorly, and misapplying the same "formula" but not getting the same caliber of players, etc.

 

[Briancuse]

Don't you find it odd that you actively root for our players draft stock to decline every year?

I'm not rooting against anyone, I want to have the best possible team on the floor that I can, there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Briancuse]

Guys who want to play professionally should leave, yes.

That is pretty sad then.

 

[Alsacs]

That is pretty sad then.

Be honest if you could get paid money to do something instead of doing it for free you would take getting paid.

I blame the NBA teams for this problem of kids leaving early. They care about the prospects age and upside instead of making their teams better as soon as they can.

If the NBA draft was 50/50 upside/best player available this wouldn't be an issue. The NBA draft is becoming a pure gamble after the tier 1/2 prospects.

 

[Briancuse]

Be honest if you could get paid money to do something instead of doing it for free you would take getting paid.

I blame the NBA teams for this problem of kids leaving early. They care about the prospects age and upside instead of making their teams better as soon as they can.

If the NBA draft was 50/50 upside/best player available this wouldn't be an issue. The NBA draft is becoming a pure gamble after the tier 1/2 prospects.

If you aren't guaranteed money why leave?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Yeah but who has become a superstar that because they declared early manifested in the NBA.
Westbrook maybe? He stayed 2 years in college though.
OJ Mayo had all the hype. Was a freshman and went ahead of Westbrook in the draft.

Him declaring got him paid but did he develop into anything more than just an slightly above average player?

This draft system is a joke. I don't blame players for leaving and getting paid. I have a problem with the draft becoming the baseball draft. Where in baseball draft picks take years to develop into pros. It shouldn't be like that for the NBA.

Teams are obsessed with age. Take a 20 year who can help you get better than a freshman who will take 2 years to be decent.

James Young perfect example my team the Celtics took him 16th in 2014. He is in his 3rd year now and still isn't ready. Celtics have paid for his development and when he is a FA he still won't be anything more than at best a 2nd team unit guy. I hate this pick he has done nothing to help the team and they used a mid first round pick on him. I don't blame the kid for leaving school and taking the money I hate the Celtics gambled on a stupid pick.

Every team is obsessed with finding the next Greek Freak. Well their aren't many Greek freaks out their taken . Unless my team really sucks I want players drafted who can help you win games.

It seems to me that more recently there have been a lot of second round picks/undrafted guys that have been pretty successful.

 

[Alsacs]

If you aren't guaranteed money why leave?

2nd round picks are now getting guaranteed money.
Teams can lock down 2nd round picks cheaply for 3-4 years for their benches/D league teams.

Source: C's give 2nd-rounder Jackson 4-year deal

Teams want 2nd round picks for cost certainty.

 

[HOFCeluck]

So now guys who are 2nd round picks should leave?

I didn't say that. But I think one can make a rational argument for why Lydon would declare anyway.

 

[Alsacs]

It seems to me that more recently there have been a lot of second round picks/undrafted guys that have been pretty successful.

Yeah the draft is becoming a pure gamble and that is why chitty teams stay chitty.

I mean I doubt Kwahi Leonard is Kwahi if he stays in Indiana or was drafted by Sacramento. The Spurs developed him and he has blossomed.

Same for Draymond, Steph, Thompson all non top 5 picks. Draymond was a 2nd round pick.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Yeah but who has become a superstar that because they declared early manifested in the NBA.
Teams are obsessed with age. Take a 20 year who can help you get better than a freshman who will take 2 years to be decent.

James Young perfect example my team the Celtics took him 16th in 2014. He is in his 3rd year now and still isn't ready. Celtics have paid for his development and when he is a FA he still won't be anything more than at best a 2nd team unit guy. I hate this pick he has done nothing to help the team and they used a mid first round pick on him. I don't blame the kid for leaving school and taking the money I hate the Celtics gambled on a stupid pick..

Two issues here: First, people vastly underestimate how hard it is to be an all-star or even a starter in the NBA. Just getting a roleplayer out of a #15-20 pick is probably the best outcome.

Second, why would a professional team want someone who could be worth millions to them, developed by some schmuck, completely not associated with their team, in Syracuse, or Bloomington, or Florida or whereever? Jim Boeheim doesn't owe someone in a NBA team's front office a goddamn thing and he certainly isn't going do whatever they want because that team has an interest in paying one of his players to play basketball for them in the future. Plus say that Team A has done a lot of scouting, they really like Lydon and he has potential to be an All-star, but they think he needs another year in college to "develop". So, Lydon goes back to school, puts up 25 and 12, first team all-ACC, and is ACC POTY. Team B then drafts Lydon 10 spots ahead of Team A. How'd that work out for Team A and all of their prep work?

 

[Briancuse]

I didn't say that. But I think one can make a rational argument for why Lydon would declare anyway.

Not sure its very rational, but ok

 

[Alsacs]

Not sure its very rational, but ok

Roy Williams made 250k dollars last night because his scholarship amateurs scored more points than Gonzaga's amateurs.

That would piss me off I were a UNC player. I would want my cut.

Players should go and get paid.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Not sure its very rational, but ok

An upperclassman is SUPPOSED to be putting up numbers against younger guys. And he's going to be an "old' junior. That's going to be the book on him wrt NBA scouts. Fair or not.

 

[Day2]

If he's leaving anyway, why doesn't he just hire an agent?

 

[Melancer46]

Not sure its very rational, but ok

It's all about your draft stock. I think Lydon will be a first round pick, but let's say he's taken around #35 instead. Being paid as a 2nd round pick this year is still better than playing another year for free and likely getting that same contract or less a year later.

 

[Ward]

Yeah but who has become a superstar that because they declared early manifested in the NBA.
Westbrook maybe? He stayed 2 years in college though.
OJ Mayo had all the hype. Was a freshman and went ahead of Westbrook in the draft.

Him declaring got him paid but did he develop into anything more than just an slightly above average player?

This draft system is a joke. I don't blame players for leaving and getting paid. I have a problem with the draft becoming the baseball draft. Where in baseball draft picks take years to develop into pros. It shouldn't be like that for the NBA.

Teams are obsessed with age. Take a 20 year who can help you get better than a freshman who will take 2 years to be decent.

James Young perfect example my team the Celtics took him 16th in 2014. He is in his 3rd year now and still isn't ready. Celtics have paid for his development and when he is a FA he still won't be anything more than at best a 2nd team unit guy. I hate this pick he has done nothing to help the team and they used a mid first round pick on him. I don't blame the kid for leaving school and taking the money I hate the Celtics gambled on a stupid pick.

Every team is obsessed with finding the next Greek Freak. Well their aren't many Greek freaks out their taken . Unless my team really sucks I want players drafted who can help you win games.

I think it speaks more to that it's rare guys who needed to stay in college for 3-4 years end up being all stars or a higher tier player, as opposed to the guys who left early are all stars because they were in the NBA an extra year or two. The players who have the elite physical gifts or extraordinary talent typically have made it clear by the end of their freshman or sophomore year.

Also, the view is that often times Jr's and Sr's are 2-3 years older than most of the players they're playing against (and everyone their age who was really good/great has moved on) so they should be dominating. Like with Buddy Hield, he was dominant and got noticed. On the flip side, he's only 2 months younger than Andre Drummond who is considered an NBA veteran. Can you imagine Drummond in the college game last year?

Honestly, I think it just boils down to does the team have a GM who is good at the draft or not. Seems like every year it's the same teams who throw picks away and the same teams who are mining value wherever the pick is slotted.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Roy Williams made 250k dollars last night because his scholarship amateurs scored more points than Gonzaga's amateurs.

That would piss me off I were a UNC player. I would want my cut.

Players should go and get paid.

I think that makes as much sense as Roy Williams being pissed off when a player he coached gets millions in a contract and he doesn't get a cut.