Lydon to hire agent and enter NBA draft

[Ward]

Brandon Jennings and Emmanuel Mudiay are the only ones that come to mind. Thon Maker was an interesting case, but I guess he doesn't qualify for this discussion. However, Jennings and Mudiay are also really the only highly-regarded prospects that have gone this route, and it worked out pretty well for them. Terrance Ferguson is going that route now, and projects as a lottery pick in the upcoming draft. Again, no one is forcing these kids to go to college. They are more than welcome to go other routes, which are proven to also be successful.

It is much easier to sit on a computer and tell a 17 year old to go live in a foreign country where they don't speak the language than it is to actually be a 17 year old living in a foreign country where you don't speak the native language.

Why do you think they shouldn't be able to make money off their own likeness?

I'm not asking what they currently receive from the school; which is basically "We'll let you enroll in our school for free and not charge you to live in buildings on our campus we own and will feed you at the facility so we can help make sure you're eating right so you can help us win more games and have higher ticket sales, exposure and alumni donations. And we'll give you all the free gear you want from Nike because we know you are a walking billboard and know the thousands of people who cheer you on will want to buy the apparel you're wearing at our university's bookstore." Those are two separate things.

Just a simple, if you don't think they should be able to make money off their own likeness - why not?

 

[CusefanATL]

80 percent.


And most college students work.

Highly doubt the numbers are that high. I worked my tail off in the summer but never while school was in session. and i would say the majority of the people i knew at SU didnt work unless it was at a bar or for SU.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Highly doubt the numbers are that high. I worked my tail off in the summer but never while school was in session. and i would say the majority of the people i knew at SU didnt work unless it was at a bar or for SU.

Athletes can't work anywhere which makes zero sense to me.

 

[Day2]

I get your points, but don't agree with them.
• Maybe i'm out of touch. You're saying athletes aren't allowed to work? I thought they could have jobs (summer?) and they used to do that all the time. If the issue now is that they 'need' to spend that time with play and conditioning, then -my opinion- is that that's no different from any other student. If you 'need' to spend potential working time to get better at your craft/eventual profession, that's a choice.
• Workers get paid. Yeah, my point was that the amount the NCAA makes should have nothing to do with what a college athlete is worth.
• Regarding my bullets, simple difference of opinion, not a matter of fact. My perspective on them is similar to my position on the legalization of drugs. I think it's lazy and irresponsible to say that 'we'll legalize weed because people are already using it and we save time/money on prosecutions.' Sure, there are "issues" with all of those matters, but my point was that changing the system makes them WORSE. Like gun control — not to continue with political matters, but — too many people rationalize their crusade against gun control because it doesn't prevent every problem. That's not the point. If it prevents some problems, it can still be an effective measure. We're not going to eradicate illegal benefits to players. But, giving up on trying changes the sport and will wrongfully benefit those who play the dirtiest. Even if you're so jaded to think that that's what's already happening, i have to look at Gonzaga's success this year and then suggest that making this all a race to be the dirtiest isn't in the game's or college's or fans' interests.

If you're also against legalizing marijuana, then we should just agree to disagree.

 

[CusefanATL]

Athletes can't work anywhere which makes zero sense to me.

i dont disagree with that statement.

 

[Day2]

Highly doubt the numbers are that high. I worked my tail off in the summer but never while school was in session. and i would say the majority of the people i knew at SU didnt work unless it was at a bar or for SU.

80% of students work at least part-time

Full disclosure: I found this after a quick Google search. Didn't really vet source.

 

[shandeezy7]

It is much easier to sit on a computer and tell a 17 year old to go live in a foreign country where they don't speak the language than it is to actually be a 17 year old living in a foreign country where you don't speak the native language.

Why do you think they shouldn't be able to make money off their own likeness?

I'm not asking what they currently receive from the school; which is basically "We'll let you enroll in our school for free and not charge you to live in buildings on our campus we own and will feed you at the facility so we can help make sure you're eating right so you can help us win more games and have higher ticket sales, exposure and alumni donations. And we'll give you all the free gear you want from Nike because we know you are a walking billboard and know the thousands of people who cheer you on will want to buy the apparel you're wearing at our university's bookstore." Those are two separate things.

Just a simple, if you don't think they should be able to make money off their own likeness - why not?

They can make money off their likeness if they want. Just not in college. Of course most of them wouldn't have a likeness worth profiting off of if it weren't for college. And many do profit off their likeness after they leave college (like Gerry McNamara appearing in 20 different TV ads hawking different products).

I'm not even totally against somehow compensating players more than they already are, but I get sick of people screaming poverty for these athletes as if they are receiving absolutely nothing in exchange for their talents.

 

[Ward]

They can make money off their likeness if they want. Just not in college. Of course most of them wouldn't have a likeness worth profiting off of if it weren't for college. And many do profit off their likeness after they leave college (like Gerry McNamara appearing in 20 different TV ads hawking different products).

I'm not even totally against somehow compensating players more than they already are, but I get sick of people screaming poverty for these athletes as if they are receiving absolutely nothing in exchange for their talents.

You didn't answer the question. Why do you think they shouldn't be allowed to profit off their likeness in college?

 

[Day2]

They can make money off their likeness if they want. Just not in college. Of course most of them wouldn't have a likeness worth profiting off of if it weren't for college. And many do profit off their likeness after they leave college (like Gerry McNamara appearing in 20 different TV ads hawking different products).

I'm not even totally against somehow compensating players more than they already are, but I get sick of people screaming poverty for these athletes as if they are receiving absolutely nothing in exchange for their talents.

Who said they're getting nothing? The argument is that they're not getting any money. You can't deny that.

"Just not in college." Well, isn't that special?

 

[rrlbees]

How many full time students work while in school? I have news for you, most college students are poor athletes or not.

mine

 

[Briancuse]

mine

How many hours and credits are they working and taking? I'm not saying that some don't, its really hard to be a full time student at a school like Syracuse, and hold a job.

 

[shandeezy7]

You're moving the goalposts. Care to address the other two?

The goal posts are still in the same spot. Is it ok, in your mind, for colleges to exploit students doing research work and filing lucrative patents for universities? Or, if we are going to pay student-athletes, does that mean we also now need to pay student researchers as well?

 

[Alsacs]

Unless you have super wealthy parents most students either do work study or get a part job time just to pay for expenses while in college.

My parents helped me pay for undergrad without loans but I still took a work study job to have money while in college. No way most kids don't work atleast partially while in college.

 

[shandeezy7]

Who said they're getting nothing? The argument is that they're not getting any money. You can't deny that.

"Just not in college." Well, isn't that special?

Then don't go to college. Again, no one is forcing them to. Also again, most wouldn't have a likeness worth profiting off of if it weren't for college.

 

[Day2]

How many hours and credits are they working and taking? I'm not saying that some don't, its really hard to be a full time student at a school like Syracuse, and hold a job.

As long as we're getting anecdotal, I know plenty of kids who held jobs while at 'Cuse.

 

[Alsacs]

How many hours and credits are they working and taking? I'm not saying that some don't, its really hard to be a full time student at a school like Syracuse, and hold a job.

It's not hard I was a full time student, worked for Hill TV one year, DO one year and still had enough time to work 12-15 hours each week between classes work study at the SU COL.

 

[Briancuse]

Unless you have super wealthy parents most students either do work study or get a part job time just to pay for expenses while in college.

My parents helped me pay for undergrad without loans but I still took a work study job to have money while in college. No way most kids don't work atleast partially while in college.

I was lucky, my parents were able to pay for most of my education, I always worked during the summer to have spending money, at the the end when I went back to change careers, I paid for most of that, I worked full time and took classes part time. Its very difficult going to school full time and having a job.

 

[Day2]

Then don't go to college. Again, no one is forcing them to. Also again, most wouldn't have a likeness worth profiting off of if it weren't for college.

Most colleges wouldn't profit off basketball and football if they didn't have players.

 

[cuse10]

The goal posts are still in the same spot. Is it ok, in your mind, for colleges to exploit students doing research work and filing lucrative patents for universities? Or, if we are going to pay student-athletes, does that mean we also now need to pay student researchers as well?

Let them profit off of their work.

Unless you have super wealthy parents most students either do work study or get a part job time just to pay for expenses while in college.

My parents helped me pay for undergrad without loans but I still took a work study job to have money while in college. No way most kids don't work atleast partially while in college.

Most don't. They're either racking up credit card debt, more student loan debt via "refunds" or have parents that put away some money for them. I held down an easy part time job so I didn't use my credit card or have to call home when I needed money.

 

[shandeezy7]

Unless you have super wealthy parents most students either do work study or get a part job time just to pay for expenses while in college.

My parents helped me pay for undergrad without loans but I still took a work study job to have money while in college. No way most kids don't work atleast partially while in college.

I don't have wealthy parents. I only worked in the summer, until my senior year when I worked an internship. Which reminds me - shouldn't people who are up in arms about not paying college athletes also be up in arms over unpaid internships? Free labor in exchange for college credits or some work experience. Sounds familiar, although with way less benefits.

 

[cuse10]

Then don't go to college. Again, no one is forcing them to. Also again, most wouldn't have a likeness worth profiting off of if it weren't for college.

And this isn't true at all. Zion Williamson has a likeness as do many elite athletes his age.

Why is it ok for younger golf and tennis pros to make money off of their likenesses, but not football and basketball players. It comes down to demographic and background of the people playing these sports. Some of you don't want to admit that, but it is a huge factor in these conversations.

 

[Day2]

I don't have wealthy parents. I only worked in the summer, until my senior year when I worked an internship. Which reminds me - shouldn't people who are up in arms about not paying college athletes also be up in arms over unpaid internships? Free labor in exchange for college credits or some work experience. Sounds familiar, although with way less benefits.

At least you have an option. When I had an internship, I had a choice between getting paid or getting college credit.

 

[Day2]

And this isn't true at all. Zion Williamson has a likeness as do many elite athletes his age.

Why is it ok for younger golf and tennis pros to make money off of their likenesses, but not football and basketball players. It comes down to demographic and background of the people playing these sports. Some of you don't want to admit that, but it is a huge factor in these conversations.

And MLB and the NHL have true minor league systems. Can you even go straight to the D-League out of HS?

 

[shandeezy7]

And this isn't true at all. Zion Williamson has a likeness as do many elite athletes his age.

Why is it ok for younger golf and tennis pros to make money off of their likenesses, but not football and basketball players. It comes down to demographic and background of the people playing these sports. Some of you don't want to admit that, but it is a huge factor in these conversations.

Hence why I said "most." There are obviously outliers, and if they feel like their brand is big enough, then go play overseas or in the D-League for a year and start profiting off of it right away.

 

[shandeezy7]

And MLB and the NHL have true minor league systems. Can you even go straight to the D-League out of HS?

Yup, just have to be 18.

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