Lydon to hire agent and enter NBA draft

[Ward]

I think that makes as much sense as Roy Williams being pissed off when a player he coached gets millions in a contract and he doesn't get a cut.

He does get his cut - it's just on the front end before they're allowed to sign the contract.

 

[Alsacs]

I think that makes as much sense as Roy Williams being pissed off when a player he coached gets millions in a contract and he doesn't get a cut.

Players don't give back to their schools?
Carmelo cut a 3 million dollar check for the Melo center. Etan Thomas/Donovan McNabb have given back.

Schools make money off their players likeness and the players get nothing. Are you okay with that as well?

 

[Fly Rodder]

I'm sure most posters will be at the front of the line to keep their job, but instead of a paycheck, they get company branded polos and the honor, nay privilege, to watch their boss get a check for $250k because of how hard they worked.

I don't know why a non-insignificant number of people think a tiny sub-population of young exceptionally talented people should labor for free.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I think that makes as much sense as Roy Williams being pissed off when a player he coached gets millions in a contract and he doesn't get a cut.

Roy Williams isn't playing

 

[shandeezy7]

I'm sure most posters will be at the front of the line to keep their job, but instead of a paycheck, they get company branded polos and the honor, nay privilege, to watch their boss get a check for $250k because of how hard they worked.

I don't know why a non-insignificant number of people think a tiny sub-population of young exceptionally talented people should labor for free.

Firstly - nobody makes these kids to go to college. It's not forced labor. They can't enter the draft out of high school, but nothing forces them to go to college either. There are plenty of other routes they can go to make it in the NBA. The exposure athletes receive by playing high-level D1 sports has to have significant value for athletes, otherwise they'd take these other routes.

Secondly - Receiving free tuition, free room and board, free gear (shoes, apparel, etc.), monetary stipends, free travel around the country (and the world, in some cases), access to alumni networks and the numerous other perks that come with playing high-level division one athletics is not the equivalent of receiving some branded polo shirts.

Do I think that more could be done to compensate student-athletes? Sure. But to suggest that they labor for "free" is asinine. And if they feel like they are providing free labor, then they are well within their rights to not participate in it. Obviously they see a value in it, in one form or another, so they continue to participate in it.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Firstly - nobody makes these kids to go to college. It's not forced labor. They can't enter the draft out of high school, but nothing forces them to go to college either. There are plenty of other routes they can go to make it in the NBA. The exposure athletes receive by playing high-level D1 sports has to have significant value for athletes, otherwise they'd take these other routes.

Secondly - Receiving free tuition, free room and board, free gear (shoes, apparel, etc.), monetary stipends, free travel around the country (and the world, in some cases), access to alumni networks and the numerous other perks that come with playing high-level division one athletics is not the equivalent of receiving some branded polo shirts.

Do I think that more could be done to compensate student-athletes? Sure. But to suggest that they labor for "free" is asinine. And if they feel like they are providing free labor, then they are well within their rights to not participate in it. Obviously they see a value in it, in one form or another, so they continue to participate in it.

I mean, they have to do SOMETHING during their NBA mandated one year exile. Doing nothing isn't smart, and not too many seventeen year olds are emotionally equipped to go overseas I suspect.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Receiving free tuition, free room and board, free gear (shoes, apparel, etc.), monetary stipends, free travel around the country (and the world, in some cases), access to alumni networks and the numerous other perks that come with playing high-level division one athletics is not the equivalent of receiving some branded polo shirts.

I suspect that you'll tell your supervisor that you now wish to be paid in company branded polo shirts, "free" work travel, and company widgets?

All that stuff isn't money. They may be benefits, but they're not compensation.

 

[Day2]

But to suggest that they labor for "free" is asinine.

Are you suggesting it's paid labor?

 

[Alsacs]

Firstly - nobody makes these kids to go to college. It's not forced labor. They can't enter the draft out of high school, but nothing forces them to go to college either. There are plenty of other routes they can go to make it in the NBA. The exposure athletes receive by playing high-level D1 sports has to have significant value for athletes, otherwise they'd take these other routes.

Secondly - Receiving free tuition, free room and board, free gear (shoes, apparel, etc.), monetary stipends, free travel around the country (and the world, in some cases), access to alumni networks and the numerous other perks that come with playing high-level division one athletics is not the equivalent of receiving some branded polo shirts.

Do I think that more could be done to compensate student-athletes? Sure. But to suggest that they labor for "free" is asinine. And if they feel like they are providing free labor, then they are well within their rights to not participate in it. Obviously they see a value in it, in one form or another, so they continue to participate in it.

Frank Kaminsky and Dan Dakich get into Twitter war over NCAA players' compensation

 

[shandeezy7]

I mean, they have to do SOMETHING during their NBA mandated one year exile. Doing nothing isn't smart, and not too many seventeen year olds are emotionally equipped to go overseas I suspect.

Go play in the D-League. You don't have to go to school, you don't have to leave the country, you'll get paid and you can sign all the endorsement deals that you want. Problem solved.

 

[Briancuse]

It's all about your draft stock. I think Lydon will be a first round pick, but let's say he's taken around #35 instead. Being paid as a 2nd round pick this year is still better than playing another year for free and likely getting that same contract or less a year later.

I just find it funny, because the bar keeps going lower, it used to be if your a lottery pick you have to go, then if your a first round pick you go, now its a 2nd round pick, pretty soon anyone breathing is going to enter the draft.

 

[shandeezy7]

I suspect that you'll tell your supervisor that you now wish to be paid in company branded polo shirts, "free" work travel, and company widgets?

All that stuff isn't money. They may be benefits, but they're not compensation.

Well, is is compensation, just not monetary compensation (aside from the $2,000-$5,000 yearly stipend they receive - I know, not a huge needle mover). And sure, at 18 years old I'd be happy to work for 4 years and receive a quarter million dollars in company widgets and free housing and meals, while at the same time receiving incomparable exposure and access to a network that will leave me connected for life. Sounds like a solid deal to me.

 

[shandeezy7]

Are you suggesting it's paid labor?

It's disingenuous to call it "free" labor, especially in the context of these kids being forced into it like some sort of indentured servants.

 

[shandeezy7]

Frank Kaminsky and Dan Dakich get into Twitter war over NCAA players' compensation

Kinda difficult to both come off looking like in that argument, but those two sure managed to accomplish that, at least.

 

[cuseinseattle]

Now is what I call Briancuse time.

 

[cuseinseattle]

Frank Kaminsky and Dan Dakich get into Twitter war over NCAA players' compensation

That was painful. It was like Dakich looked like he is knocked out and then gets back up and you are like just stay down Dan it's just going to get worse and then boom another tweet.

 

[Day2]

It's disingenuous to call it "free" labor, especially in the context of these kids being forced into it like some sort of indentured servants.

It's just as disingenuous to say they're fairly compensated.

 

[Briancuse]

It's just as disingenuous to say they're fairly compensated.

They get a free education, free food, free clothing and shoes, if your at a big time program you get treated like a God, they have it pretty darn good.

 

[HOFCeluck]

They get a free education, free food, free clothing and shoes, if your at a big time program you get treated like a God, they have it pretty darn good.

The "free education" argument is such garbage.

 

[Briancuse]

The "free education" argument is such garbage.

Ya its garbage, they get something for free that other people have a really hard time getting, some who wind up in debt with loans most of their life.

 

[Day2]

They get a free education, free food, free clothing and shoes, if your at a big time program you get treated like a God, they have it pretty darn good.

Considering what the institutions make off of them? I couldn't disagree more.

 

[Day2]

Ya its garbage, they get something for free that other people have a really hard time getting, some who wind up in debt with loans most of their life.

What's Todd Burgan up to these days?

 

[cuseinseattle]

The "free education" argument is such garbage.

I would agree outside of UNC. I mean there you don't have to go to class or really do anything. Outside of playing basketball your time is literally "free". Just ask McCants. He was an academic all american.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Idk about anyone else and call me crazy, but if I could have made the salary I am making now directly out of high school I wouldn't of went to Syracuse University to go into debt and not get paid for 4 years.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Ya its garbage, they get something for free that other people have a really hard time getting, some who wind up in debt with loans most of their life.

Except that when you play a big time sport, you get steered into easy majors (or if you ay for UNC fake ones.). Your time is taken up by practice, away games, film sessions, lifting weights, etc. It's a major unto itself.

And that's without getting into the fact that some kids DONT WANT TO BE THERE but have to because they have to wait a year to be NBA draft elligible, and college is really the only viable way to keep your brand relevant.