Lydon to hire agent and enter NBA draft

[Briancuse]

Except that when you play a big time sport, you get steered into easy majors (or if you ay for UNC fake ones.). Your time is taken up by practice, away games, film sessions, lifting weights, etc. It's a major unto itself.

And that's without getting into the fact that some kids DONT WANT TO BE THERE but have to because they have to wait a year to be NBA draft elligible, and college is really the only viable way to keep your brand relevant.

Not everyone gets steered into easy majors, some kids believe it or not actually want to be in school. Omg a whole year, try playing football and having to wait 3 years. Playing in the Nba is a privilege not a right. Some of these kids have it too good.

 

[shandeezy7]

Except that when you play a big time sport, you get steered into easy majors (or if you ay for UNC fake ones.). Your time is taken up by practice, away games, film sessions, lifting weights, etc. It's a major unto itself.

And that's without getting into the fact that some kids DONT WANT TO BE THERE but have to because they have to wait a year to be NBA draft elligible, and college is really the only viable way to keep your brand relevant.

Well at least you admit that there is a direct relationship between playing in college and increasing your potential value in the pros. Since athletes have other options than playing in college before they go to the NBA, they are more than welcome to take those routes. However, they must see an added value in the exposure related to playing high level college basketball, something that needs to be taken into account when talking about the benefits received by "unpaid" college athletes.

 

[Day2]

Not everyone gets steered into easy majors, some kids believe it or not actually want to be in school. Omg a whole year, try playing football and having to wait 3 years. Playing in the Nba is a privilege not a right. Some of these kids have it too good.

When I think of Terrence Roberts, I think, "Now there's a kid who has it too good."

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Considering what the institutions make off of them? I couldn't disagree more.

1) Basketball is a game. Played by people all over the world for no compensation. They began playing without compensation. They played in high school without compensation, and high schools charge money for tickets and a lot of games are on tv. Should high schoolers get paid, too?
2) College is the preparatory level where you establish your professional value. That's what the collegiate player gets out of it, just like any student gets a chance to earn a degree that demonstrates he's ready to be paid.
3) "Workers" rarely make what CEOs/companies make. How much is Yahoo worth? How much did the CEO get paid? That's not commensurate with the salary of the people doing the programming, so "considering what the institutions make" is irrelevant. Institutions make a lot of money because they have a lot of expense, and have built themselves over time, at considerable expense. If you want to BE an institution, you can't do that by expecting to work for someone else's institution.

Point, for me, is that paying athletes does two things:
• Perverts the system that has been working pretty well for a lot of years.
• Makes it more difficult to police abuses which affect competitive balance.
• Further separates athletes from students, when this is College.
• Doesn't equitably reward the work-to-prominence ratio, as college swimmers probably work as hard as basketball players, but aren't in revenue-winning sports. Do you only pay the tv sports?

 

[Day2]

Well at least you admit that there is a direct relationship between playing in college and increasing your potential value in the pros. Since athletes have other options than playing in college before they go to the NBA, they are more than welcome to take those routes. However, they must see an added value in the exposure related to playing high level college basketball, something that needs to be taken into account when talking about the benefits received by "unpaid" college athletes.

How many American lottery picks played their exile year in a league other than the NCAA?

 

[cuse10]

1) Basketball is a game. Played by people all over the world for no compensation. They began playing without compensation. They played in high school without compensation, and high schools charge money for tickets and a lot of games are on tv. Should high schoolers get paid, too?
2) College is the preparatory level where you establish your professional value. That's what the collegiate player gets out of it, just like any student gets a chance to earn a degree that demonstrates he's ready to be paid.
3) "Workers" rarely make what CEOs/companies make. How much is Yahoo worth? How much did the CEO get paid? That's not commensurate with the salary of the people doing the programming, so "considering what the institutions make" is irrelevant. Institutions make a lot of money because they have a lot of expense, and have built themselves over time, at considerable expense. If you want to BE an institution, you can't do that by expecting to work for someone else's institution.

Point, for me, is that paying athletes does two things:
• Perverts the system that has been working pretty well for a lot of years.
• Makes it more difficult to police abuses which affect competitive balance.
• Further separates athletes from students, when this is College.
• Doesn't equitably reward the work-to-prominence ratio, as college swimmers probably work as hard as basketball players, but aren't in revenue-winning sports. Do you only pay the tv sports?

Wrong. Students on scholarship can make money from their likenesses. A science student can file a patent. A student in the band can cut a record. Even student body presidents get a salary.

Yes. If you can't generate revenue, why do you deserve a slice of the pie? If the farce of college athletics acknowledged that it were truly a business, all of these sports that are subsidized by football, basketball and to a lesser extent lacrosse, would cease to exist because in the real world, anything that bleeds into the red is axed.

 

[Day2]

1) Basketball is a game. Played by people all over the world for no compensation. They began playing without compensation. They played in high school without compensation, and high schools charge money for tickets and a lot of games are on tv. Should high schoolers get paid, too?
2) College is the preparatory level where you establish your professional value. That's what the collegiate player gets out of it, just like any student gets a chance to earn a degree that demonstrates he's ready to be paid.
3) "Workers" rarely make what CEOs/companies make. How much is Yahoo worth? How much did the CEO get paid? That's not commensurate with the salary of the people doing the programming, so "considering what the institutions make" is irrelevant. Institutions make a lot of money because they have a lot of expense, and have built themselves over time, at considerable expense. If you want to BE an institution, you can't do that by expecting to work for someone else's institution.

Point, for me, is that paying athletes does two things:
• Perverts the system that has been working pretty well for a lot of years.
• Makes it more difficult to police abuses which affect competitive balance.
• Further separates athletes from students, when this is College.
• Doesn't equitably reward the work-to-prominence ratio, as college swimmers probably work as hard as basketball players, but aren't in revenue-winning sports. Do you only pay the tv sports?

1. At least high school athletes can get a job. Not all high schools charge money for tickets and a relative few are televised.
2. Nothing's stopping a Newhouse student from getting paid by a media outlet while they're in college. Nothing's stopping a film student at USC from working for a studio while they're in college. Nothing's stopping non-athletes from working for pay while they're at school.
3. Workers get paid. Full stop.

All of your bullet points are already a problem.

 

[shandeezy7]

How many American lottery picks played their exile year in a league other than the NCAA?

Brandon Jennings and Emmanuel Mudiay are the only ones that come to mind. Thon Maker was an interesting case, but I guess he doesn't qualify for this discussion. However, Jennings and Mudiay are also really the only highly-regarded prospects that have gone this route, and it worked out pretty well for them. Terrance Ferguson is going that route now, and projects as a lottery pick in the upcoming draft. Again, no one is forcing these kids to go to college. They are more than welcome to go other routes, which are proven to also be successful.

 

[cuse10]

They get a free education, free food, free clothing and shoes, if your at a big time program you get treated like a God, they have it pretty darn good.

Except the scholarship money is recouped by the school via TV contracts, merchandise and tickets all before they play one minute.

Are you mad because you/your kids had to pay to go to school and they don't? Maybe you/they should have had a marketable skill.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Brandon Jennings and Emmanuel Mudiay are the only ones that come to mind. Thon Maker was an interesting case, but I guess he doesn't qualify for this discussion. However, Jennings and Mudiay are also really the only highly-regarded prospects that have gone this route, and it worked out pretty well for them. Terrance Ferguson is going that route now, and projects as a lottery pick in the upcoming draft. Again, no one is forcing these kids to go to college. They are more than welcome to go other routes, which are proven to also be successful.

Honestly I hope the D league becomes a more viable path for kids out of high school and continues to lose the stigma of some trash heap for has-beens or never-were. Keep kids who don't want to be in college out if college.

 

[Briancuse]

1. At least high school athletes can get a job. Not all high schools charge money for tickets and a relative few are televised.
2. Nothing's stopping a Newhouse student from getting paid by a media outlet while they're in college. Nothing's stopping a film student at USC from working for a studio while they're in college. Nothing's stopping non-athletes from working for pay while they're at school.
3. Workers get paid. Full stop.

All of your bullet points are already a problem.

They can work in the offseason.

 

[cuse10]

Also, regarding the split on paying revenue generating athletes, I'm curious to know the demographics behind those who are for and against.

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[Day2]

Brandon Jennings and Emmanuel Mudiay are the only ones that come to mind. Thon Maker was an interesting case, but I guess he doesn't qualify for this discussion. However, Jennings and Mudiay are also really the only highly-regarded prospects that have gone this route, and it worked out pretty well for them. Terrance Ferguson is going that route now, and projects as a lottery pick in the upcoming draft. Again, no one is forcing these kids to go to college. They are more than welcome to go other routes, which are proven to also be successful.

In other words, you have to be highly-regarded in the first place if you want to go this route. Doesn't work if your name is Tyler Ennis or Malachi Richardson.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I'd like to see kids go straight to the NFL. May God have mercy on their souls.

 

[Day2]

They can work in the offseason.

And this is like their fellow students how?

 

[shandeezy7]

Wrong. Students on scholarship can make money from their likenesses. A science student can file a patent. A student in the band can cut a record. Even student body presidents get a salary.

Yes. If you can't generate revenue, why do you deserve a slice of the pie? If the farce of college athletics acknowledged that it were truly a business, all of these sports that are subsidized by football, basketball and to a lesser extent lacrosse, would cease to exist because in the real world, anything that bleeds into the red is axed.

That's not entirely true. Many universities have policies essentially stating that any patent filed using university facilities or university money become the property of the university and you receive no compensation for it. It's really at the discretion of each university's policy as to who actually receives and profits from the patents.

 

[cuse10]

They can work in the offseason.

Again, this is partially incorrect. I interned with a former Villanova basketball player. I was there for the entire Summer and it wasn't even a month and a half before he was called back to campus to start prepping for the upcoming season. How can they work for an entire Summer when training camp begins midway into Summer break?

 

[Briancuse]

And this is like their fellow students how?

How many full time students work while in school? I have news for you, most college students are poor athletes or not.

 

[shandeezy7]

In other words, you have to be highly-regarded in the first place if you want to go this route. Doesn't work if your name is Tyler Ennis or Malachi Richardson.

Yup. It's a give and take. Who were Tyler Ennis or Malachi Richardson before coming to Syracuse? They came here, received the greatest possible platform to display their talents, and were quickly rewarded with multi-million dollar professional basketball contracts. All while not having to spend a dime.

 

[Day2]

It's really at the discretion of each university's policy as to who actually receives and profits from the patents.

I'm sure there are a lot of athletes who wish it was at the discretion of their university, rather than the NCAA.

 

[cuse10]

That's not entirely true. Many universities have policies essentially stating that any patent filed using university facilities or university money become the property of the university and you receive no compensation for it. It's really at the discretion of each university's policy as to who actually receives and profits from the patents.

You're moving the goalposts. Care to address the other two?

 

[Briancuse]

I'd like to see kids go straight to the NFL. May God have mercy on their souls.

Thank God that will never happen.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

1. At least high school athletes can get a job. Not all high schools charge money for tickets and a relative few are televised.
2. Nothing's stopping a Newhouse student from getting paid by a media outlet while they're in college. Nothing's stopping a film student at USC from working for a studio while they're in college. Nothing's stopping non-athletes from working for pay while they're at school.
3. Workers get paid. Full stop.

All of your bullet points are already a problem.

I get your points, but don't agree with them.
• Maybe i'm out of touch. You're saying athletes aren't allowed to work? I thought they could have jobs (summer?) and they used to do that all the time. If the issue now is that they 'need' to spend that time with play and conditioning, then -my opinion- is that that's no different from any other student. If you 'need' to spend potential working time to get better at your craft/eventual profession, that's a choice.
• Workers get paid. Yeah, my point was that the amount the NCAA makes should have nothing to do with what a college athlete is worth.
• Regarding my bullets, simple difference of opinion, not a matter of fact. My perspective on them is similar to my position on the legalization of drugs. I think it's lazy and irresponsible to say that 'we'll legalize weed because people are already using it and we save time/money on prosecutions.' Sure, there are "issues" with all of those matters, but my point was that changing the system makes them WORSE. Like gun control — not to continue with political matters, but — too many people rationalize their crusade against gun control because it doesn't prevent every problem. That's not the point. If it prevents some problems, it can still be an effective measure. We're not going to eradicate illegal benefits to players. But, giving up on trying changes the sport and will wrongfully benefit those who play the dirtiest. Even if you're so jaded to think that that's what's already happening, i have to look at Gonzaga's success this year and then suggest that making this all a race to be the dirtiest isn't in the game's or college's or fans' interests.

 

[Day2]

How many full time students work while in school?

80 percent.

I have news for you, most college students are poor athletes or not.

And most college students work.

 

[Briancuse]

80 percent.


And most college students work.

There is no way that is accurate.