Marrone

[CousCuse]

The second day story in the Post mentions that Marrone might be a tough sell to the Jets fan base. Ya think? Wondering just how well they thought this whole thing through...

As a non-Jets fan, I'm totally fine with the Jets picking Marrone. But, if he bristled at perceived hostile media treatment in Buffalo, he ain't seen nothin' yet.

I also gotta say, it's hard to see how there wasn't some tampering going on. Jimmy s e xton, his agent, had to know that Marrone likely had a tangible alternative, even though teams aren't supposed to be seeking coaches/players under contract. I wrote a few days ago that having someone like Casserly involved with this process made little sense and could be counterproductive. I'm not backing down on that now.

I would think you would just be happy Marrone is gone .

 

[rrlbees]

The NY press appears ready to welcome Marrone with open arms. No more of that needless Buffalo negativity. In fact, they have a veritable Woody for Dougie. Two banners from today's Daily News lay it right out there: Lupica: This reeks of stinkin' Rich! Kotite comes to mind when thinking of Marrone Mehta: Jets coaching search takes a sleazy turn as consultants apparently pushing Marrone on Woody

Ouch. Not the stories themselves so much but the quotes from multiple NFL front office people.

 

[Scooch]

I'm not sure I understand why Casserly potentially wanting Marrone is "sleazy". I would think any consultant hired to conduct any job search would have candidates in mind, that's why you hire a consultant. Woody can say no, obviously.

And we all know the tampering stuff is a joke. Agents for coaches and players reach out via various channels to other teams constantly. Hell, my Pats might have lost the '96 Super Bowl because Parcells himself spent half the week on the phone playing footsie with the Jets. This situation is pretty tame in comparison.

 

[Symphony Steve]

I would think you would just be happy Marrone is gone .

I just find the whole topic interesting, that's all. And I have an opinion on it. It's kinda what the board is for.

Besides, there could be trouble in paradise w/my Iggles, as it appears that Chip Kelly has lost a front office power struggle to Howie Roseman. Don't wanna think about it. I'd rather enjoy another team's struggles than have to live through my own.

 

[xc84]

Here is your OP.


You said he was considering coming back "because Marrone of there", which is a gross exaggerating of what Polian actually said. Marrone per se was not the reason - it was the lack of a QB and a HC.

"Polian told the Buffalo News he initially believed Marrone and quarterback Kyle Orton, who announced his intention to retire after 10 seasons on Monday, would still be with the team.

"Then, the quarterback goes away and the coach disappears," Polian said. "So the job, from my perspective, changed. It went from a mentoring and advising role, which would have been fun, to a real heavy lift -- hire a new coach, hire a staff, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

"The bottom line is the job description changed pretty dramatically and the most important thing is that it would have required a really long commitment to a new coach, who deserved a long commitment that I wasn't prepared to make. And that wouldn't have been fair to the organization or to whomever their new coach was. The coach is going to want to know that you're going to be there for a reasonably long time."​

And I am still waiting to hear what Marrone said that is considered "badmouthing".

 

[Rocco]

With interviews scheduled with 4 NFL teams, Marrone must be a lousy coach. And remember, Jimmy Sexton is a good agent who knew every other vacant job was interested in him. Marrone wanted an extension for him and his assistants, didn't get it, so he opted out. I don't blame him one bit. Further, he gets to keep his $4 mil for 2015 from Buffalo.

The Jets will offer him $5-6 mil/year and give him a 4 or 5 year contract IMO.

 

[Statesman1]

Everyone's greatest attributes are only a few degrees away from their greatest weaknesses. Steadfastness is only a few degrees away from stubbornness, patience only a few degrees away from indecision, etc, etc.

So it is with Saint Doug. I am sure he can be a pain in the butt for many people and not worth the effort. Billionaires can be pretty fussy about subordinates.

St. Doug is harld

Everyone's greatest attributes are only a few degrees away from their greatest weaknesses. Steadfastness is only a few degrees away from stubbornness, patience only a few degrees away from indecision, etc, etc.

So it is with Saint Doug. I am sure he can be a pain in the butt for many people and not worth the effort. Billionaires can be pretty fussy about subordinates.

The way the powers that be had run the football program into the ground (benign neglect?) I'm glad we had a coach willing to be a pain in the butt. My first boss gave me some very sage advice when running an organization: Either you change the people or you have to change the people. Would have been nice to have been able to keep St. Doug a few more years and seen what he could have done. On the surface he seemed to have the attributes to make a nice long run ala JB but, it was not to be. Not knowing any of the personalities involved personally as many posters do I take all the speculation and rumors as just that- informed speculation and rumors. I agree with those of the opinion that at some point resurrecting programs will not be enough to cement his legacy. St. Doug needs to win to avoid being the Buck Showalter of the NFL

 

[TheKid]

Man i just don't understand the lovefest with Marrone. He helped turn SU around by going .500 and is about that with the bills. So what? I'm not a bills fan buy i've watched many of their games, hie game management is still very bad. It's just kind of weird how everyone thinks he's a desireable coach...i should put together my resume and see what happens, unbeatable in Madden, have a great record in Super Tecmo...

 

[xc84]

Man i just don't understand the lovefest with Marrone. He helped turn SU around by going .500 and is about that with the bills. So what? I'm not a bills fan buy i've watched many of their games, hie game management is still very bad. It's just kind of weird how everyone thinks he's a desireable coach...i should put together my resume and see what happens, unbeatable in Madden, have a great record in Super Tecmo...

Clearly you understand that saying he was a .500 coach is just pandering to your own viewpoint. He was 8-5 his last year and was offered a job by a team in the highest level of his profession. I am not sure I am in lovefest category with Doug, but he is well-respected as evidenced by the demand for him in the NFL.

PS: Tom Landry was 4-20-1 his first two years coaching in the NFL. Why do people like him?

 

[CousCuse]

Man i just don't understand the lovefest with Marrone. He helped turn SU around by going .500 and is about that with the bills. So what? I'm not a bills fan buy i've watched many of their games, hie game management is still very bad. It's just kind of weird how everyone thinks he's a desireable coach...i should put together my resume and see what happens, unbeatable in Madden, have a great record in Super Tecmo...

Your a shill.

 

[orangenirvana]

The Jets will offer him $5-6 mil/year and give him a 4 or 5 year contract IMO.

As a Bills fan, I pray you're right.

 

[CousCuse]

As a Bills fan, I pray you're right.

I would think you would just be happy Marrone is gone .

 

[orangenirvana]

And I am still waiting to hear what Marrone said that is considered "badmouthing".

According to Tim Graham of the Buffalo News, Polian was ready to join the Bills to oversee football operations, but after quarterback Kyle Orton unexpectedly retired and Marrone left, Polian thought the job was too much of a commitment. He then sought the advice of Marrone, who told him the gig "wasn't worth the effort" and badmouthed the Bills' organization on his way out the door.

All we know is that Tim Graham's source told him that Marrone badmouthed the team to Polian. And coincidentally Polian declined the Bills' offer shortly thereafter.

It's likely that Graham's source was guessing based on this "coincidence" or was exaggerating because he was mad at Marrone. But it's obvious that unless Graham's source was Marrone himself or Polian, we don't know exactly what was said.

http://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bil...bills_to_bill_polian_according_to_report.html

 

[orangenirvana]

I would think you would just be happy Marrone is gone .

I was so happy that I partied until midnight after I found out.

 

[CousCuse]

I was so happy that I partied until midnight after I found out.

Right.

 

[samspann1]

Clearly you understand that saying he was a .500 coach is just pandering to your own viewpoint. He was 8-5 his last year and was offered a job by a team in the highest level of his profession. I am not sure I am in lovefest category with Doug, but he is well-respected as evidenced by the demand for him in the NFL.

PS: Tom Landry was 4-20-1 his first two years coaching in the NFL. Why do people like him?

I don't think that the poster to whom you replied was "pandering" to his own viewpoint. Rather, he/she was simply stating facts.

As HC at SU, Marrone was 25-25. As HC for the Bills, Marrone was 15-17. Unless you want to cherrypick his best coaching seasons, the facts clearly show that Marrone is a .500 Head Coach.

 

[GoSU96]

With interviews scheduled with 4 NFL teams, Marrone must be a lousy coach. And remember, Jimmy s e xton is a good agent who knew every other vacant job was interested in him. Marrone wanted an extension for him and his assistants, didn't get it, so he opted out. I don't blame him one bit. Further, he gets to keep his $4 mil for 2015 from Buffalo.

The Jets will offer him $5-6 mil/year and give him a 4 or 5 year contract IMO.

What's funny is all the media stuff. WGR after the GB game spent the whole day on "should he stay or should he go"? And that's the teams broadcast partner.

It was absurd, Brandon basically told them to ' off in the middle of an interview. Best season, most competitive team in 10 years and the two stat boy geeks are fixated on a handful of punt calls.

In NY guys like Cimini and Serby are already in his corner. I'd imagine Kay will support him as well.

 

[GoSU96]

I don't think that the poster to whom you replied was "pandering" to his own viewpoint. Rather, he/she was simply stating facts.

As HC at SU, Marrone was 25-25. As HC for the Bills, Marrone was 15-17. Unless you want to cherrypick his best coaching seasons, the facts clearly show that Marrone is a .500 Head Coach.

The facts clearly show that he can turn around disasters pretty quickly.

 

[GoSU96]

Man i just don't understand the lovefest with Marrone. He helped turn SU around by going .500 and is about that with the bills. So what? I'm not a bills fan buy i've watched many of their games, hie game management is still very bad. It's just kind of weird how everyone thinks he's a desireable coach...i should put together my resume and see what happens, unbeatable in Madden, have a great record in Super Tecmo...

I don't know, maybe because there's 99% more involved in being a HC than doing what fans and stat geeks with nothing on line think you should do on six 50/50 fourth down calls over a 16 game season.

 

[CousCuse]

I don't think that the poster to whom you replied was "pandering" to his own viewpoint. Rather, he/she was simply stating facts.

As HC at SU, Marrone was 25-25. As HC for the Bills, Marrone was 15-17. Unless you want to cherrypick his best coaching seasons, the facts clearly show that Marrone is a .500 Head Coach.

Belechick was 38-44 I his first HC job at Cleveland and didn't have a winning season until year 4 . Doug had a winning season in year 2 of both of his HC jobs.

 

[samspann1]

Belechick was 38-44 I his first HC job at Cleveland and didn't have a winning season until year 4 . Doug had a winning season in year 2 of both of his HC jobs.

Maybe Marrone is the next Belichick, then.

 

[SUFan44]

“They’ll be doing a search again in two years,” one front-office executive said. “I don’t think Marrone’s going to win there. He’s never won anywhere he’s been a head coach.”

 

[Chip]

The facts clearly show that he can turn around disasters pretty quickly.

And then get the hell out before seeing it go to the next level.

Godspeed Jets. Tell your fans to be nice.

(he's not going there unless everyone else passes).

 

[Millhouse]

And then get the hell out before seeing it go to the next level.

Godspeed Jets. Tell your fans to be nice.

(he's not going there unless everyone else passes).

6 wins a year is a disaster. 7.5* wins is a miraculous turnaround

 

[xc84]

I don't think that the poster to whom you replied was "pandering" to his own viewpoint. Rather, he/she was simply stating facts.

As HC at SU, Marrone was 25-25. As HC for the Bills, Marrone was 15-17. Unless you want to cherrypick his best coaching seasons, the facts clearly show that Marrone is a .500 Head Coach.

Ok...so why didn't he point out Marrone was 8-5 his last year. That's a fact too. Teams improve. Should Marrone's first year with GRob rejects be judged the same has his last?