Marrone

[Chip]

5 in 60+ years, good track record.

If each of them coached one year, this post's point would be more valid.

I'm sure you're smart enough to know how the NFL levels the playing field when it comes to revenue sharing, the draft, the salary cap, etc. If you're not succeeding it's because of your bad decisions, not because of some built in disadvantage.

 

[Millhouse]

If each of them coached one year, this post's point would be more valid.

I'm sure you're smart enough to know how the NFL levels the playing field when it comes to revenue sharing, the draft, the salary cap, etc. If you're not succeeding it's because of your bad decisions, not because of some built in disadvantage.

I'm trying to figure out why Pegula should care that Ralph Wilson hired the young (to him) gun chan gailey and that it was unsuccessful

 

[samspann1]

I'm trying to figure out why Pegula should care that Ralph Wilson hired the young (to him) gun chan gailey and that it was unsuccessful

Just...because.

And going 9-7 and missing the playoffs is so much better and meaningful than going 8-8 and missing the playoffs (e.g. Kay Stephenson, Gregg Williams), just...because.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Interesting point about the alienation. I'm a fan of Marrone, but, you've gotta wonder how long he can continue to ascend if he is that hard to work with or for. He's never worked for the same HC at more than one stop, this could be a coincidence.

• Cortland State (TE) (1992)
• Coast Guard (OL) (1993)
• Northeastern (OL) (1994)
• Georgia Tech (TE) (1996)
• Georgia Tech (OL) (1997–1999)
• Georgia (OL) (2000)
• Tennessee (TE/OT) (2001)
• New York Jets (OL) (2002–2005)
• New Orleans Saints (OC) (2006–2008)
• Syracuse (2009–2012)
• Buffalo Bills (2013–2014)

Definitely not a history of being the same place for long. Longest stints being 4 years at any one stop. Granted that's how you move up the ladder and maybe it's just circumstance at this point. Somewhere along the line, though, I'm interested to see if he'll ever stay put.

Will he ever be satisfied?

He's made a career out of selling high and capitalizing on his marketability. This might be his put up or shut up stop as a HC.

Football coaches move around a lot. Probably more than in any other sport or business. Some consider that a good thing. Here is Bill Parcell's resume. He only stayed more than four years in one job (head coach of NYG) and he is a HOFer.
As coach:

• Hastings (1964)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Wichita State (1965)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Army (1966–1969)
  (1966-1967) (Linebackers Coach)
  (1968–1969) (Defensive Coordinator)
• Florida State (1970–1972)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Vanderbilt (1973–1974)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Texas Tech (1975–1977)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Air Force Academy (1978)
  (Head Coach)
• New York Giants (1979)
  (Defensive Coordinator)
• New England Patriots (1980)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• New York Giants (1981–1990)
  (1981–1982) (Def. Coordinator/LB Coach)
  (1983–1990) (Head Coach)
• New England Patriots (1993–1996)
  (Head Coach)
• New York Jets (1997–1999)
  (Head Coach)
• Dallas Cowboys (2003–2006)
  (Head Coach)

As executive:

• New York Jets (1997–2000)
  (General manager)
• Miami Dolphins (2008–2010)
  (Exec. VP of Football Operations)
• Cleveland Browns (2014–present)
  (Courtesy Consultant)

 

[Millhouse]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...falo-bills-doug-marrone-bill-polian/21165875/
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The final element to Marrone's departure apparently was his own inability to not let criticism bother him. It came to light that he was tired of the negativity emanating from the local media and fans about his job performance, as if that's something new in the NFL, or unique to Buffalo. He felt he was too frequently taken to task about his decision making, and apparently the criticism had begun to upset his wife and children, too. As I remember, that was one of the reasons Mike Mularkey gave when he quit the Bills after the 2005 season.
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Everyone saw that coming. NYC should be easier !

 

[orangenirvana]

Yes, because getting the team's SECOND (!!!!) winning season since 2000 isn't a miracle. And first since the 2004 season. I guess worse-than-mediocrity runs so deep in the Buffalo organization, they can't see success when it's staring them in the face. Guy gets the organization a winning season and the fans are still mad. Guy just can't win. The team has progressed from being the laughing stock of the NFL for YEARS to beating the team most consider the best in the NFL in a winning season and the fans still complain. If you can't see that as a good sign, you don't deserve the success.

That's because the fans understand the context in which this 9-7 record was achieved. You don't.

The Bills beat the Packers then turned around and lose to a 2-12 team to extend the longest playoff drought in the league. What a miracle! Then they beat the New England Patriots' backups to "achieve" a winning season. Miraculous!

The Bills defense is loaded with talent and I will give credit to Marrone for hiring two very good DC's in back-to-back seasons and allowing them full control over that unit. Thanks to Schwartz the Bills had the first or second best defense in the league in 2014.

But aside from luring Pettine and Schwartz, what did Marrone do?

Marrone was 100% in charge of developing the offensive system that was responsible for plummeting in production after he replaced Chan Gailey. Gailey designed his scheme based on the strengths and weaknesses of the players he had. Marrone tried pounding a square peg into a round hole. And the results show:

Under Chan Gailey
2011: 4th in rushing yards per attempt, 13th in yards per play
2012: 5th in rushing yards per attempt, 13th in yards per play

Under Marrone/Hackett
2013: 14th in rushing yards per attempt, 29th in yards per play
2014: 26th in rushing yards per attempt, 28th in yards per play

Saint Doug is a miracle worker!!

 

[shandeezy7]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...falo-bills-doug-marrone-bill-polian/21165875/
***
The final element to Marrone's departure apparently was his own inability to not let criticism bother him. It came to light that he was tired of the negativity emanating from the local media and fans about his job performance, as if that's something new in the NFL, or unique to Buffalo. He felt he was too frequently taken to task about his decision making, and apparently the criticism had begun to upset his wife and children, too. As I remember, that was one of the reasons Mike Mularkey gave when he quit the Bills after the 2005 season.
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Everyone saw that coming. NYC should be easier !

I guess he could go to Atlanta, whose fan base is second in apathy only to the Miami Dolphins.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...falo-bills-doug-marrone-bill-polian/21165875/
***
The final element to Marrone's departure apparently was his own inability to not let criticism bother him. It came to light that he was tired of the negativity emanating from the local media and fans about his job performance, as if that's something new in the NFL, or unique to Buffalo. He felt he was too frequently taken to task about his decision making, and apparently the criticism had begun to upset his wife and children, too. As I remember, that was one of the reasons Mike Mularkey gave when he quit the Bills after the 2005 season.
***
Everyone saw that coming. NYC should be easier !

He might be in the wrong profession.

 

[bevosu]

I don't dislike Marrone, and at the same time I don't like him. Pretty neutral, but without Nassib's senior season Doug would not have gotten an opportunity to coach an NFL team when he did. He should give Ryan a percentage of the loot he's made since leaving SU.

He was lucky.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You know what would be awesome? If he does get another HC job, and the team he goes to drafts Gordon.

 

[anomander]

I don't dislike Marrone, and at the same time I don't like him. Pretty neutral, but without Nassib's senior season Doug would not have gotten an opportunity to coach an NFL team when he did. He should give Ryan a percentage of the loot he's made since leaving SU.

He was lucky.

In fairness we saw what Nassib was his 1st year. He improved tremendously throughout his career. Sure most of the credit goes to him, but Hackett/Marrone did a great job with his development.

 

[CuseOnly]

We should offer marrone $4m for 4 years. Thats what a proactive AD would do.

He will make that this year alone and not even have to coach.

 

[xc84]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com...falo-bills-doug-marrone-bill-polian/21165875/
***
The final element to Marrone's departure apparently was his own inability to not let criticism bother him. It came to light that he was tired of the negativity emanating from the local media and fans about his job performance, as if that's something new in the NFL, or unique to Buffalo. He felt he was too frequently taken to task about his decision making, and apparently the criticism had begun to upset his wife and children, too. As I remember, that was one of the reasons Mike Mularkey gave when he quit the Bills after the 2005 season.
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Everyone saw that coming. NYC should be easier !

As much as the news media complained of Doug being tight-lipped and not giving them the quotes they want, it was a blessing in disguise for them. It gave them liberty to make things up. I see articles where Marrone "badmouthed" the Bills but no quotes from Marrone or anyone who actually talked to him. The D-C article is all speculation, innuendo and opinion from afar. There is nothing in there that an average guy on the street could not make up himself.

 

[Statesman1]

In fairness we saw what Nassib was his 1st year. He improved tremendously throughout his career. Sure most of the credit goes to him, but Hackett/Marrone did a great job with his development.

Not to mention they changed the offense weeks before his senior year. That took major stones (and ego) to think, let alone attempt and successfully pull that move off. That offense was firing on all cylinders and was one of the most productive ones in the country - especially the 2nd half of the season. Between that move and benching your 1st round qb (and somehow winning with Kyle Orton- the guy Tim Tebow beat out) you can't say the guy isn't afraid to make moves- and they usually pay off. Turning around our program was a tall task, and winning in Buffalo with Kyle Orton means the guy can win anywhere. Will he stick around long enough to sustain it at his next stop is another unanswered question but if he can do it in Syracuse and Buffalo- two historically awful programs at the time he took over the reigns- then his coaching bona fides are solid imo. Bills and Orange fans kicking him on the way out may not like the exit, but as we have experienced here at least it's not so easy to replace him.

 

[Symphony Steve]

The NY press appears ready to welcome Marrone with open arms. No more of that needless Buffalo negativity. In fact, they have a veritable Woody for Dougie. Two banners from today's Daily News lay it right out there:

Lupica: This reeks of stinkin' Rich! Kotite comes to mind when thinking of Marrone


Mehta: Jets coaching search takes a sleazy turn as consultants apparently pushing Marrone on Woody

 

[jgeorge322]

He will make that this year alone and not even have to coach.

So what? The articles i read said he gets that even if he coaches elsewhere next year.

 

[LennX6]

Orton was simply horrible. Hard to believe he even plays in the NFL He's so in accurate

Did you see EJ Manuel's accuracy? Robert Woods was one pass away from paralysis. I always felt we were in every game with Orton. Did he come thru all the time. No, but he looked like he knew what he was doing. Lousy line, average running game, especially on 1d. Orton did OK.

 

[LennX6]

I'll be pretty upset if Marrone leaves the Bills. Seriously, think about potential replacements. You probably want an offensive coach since that's the issue with the team... what offensive coach would want to touch a team that has no first round pick, no offensive line, just had their (shitty) starting QB retire and the backup is a project at best, and a 33 year old RB as their only reliable ball carrier? It's a pretty dreadful situation to walk into as an offensive coach unless you think you're a miracle worker.

I think Marrone has done a good job with the team and really hope he sticks around. For once, it would be nice to be able to build on the past year's success instead of trying to rebuild again.

Hell I'll take the job!

 

[Millhouse]

Did you see EJ Manuel's accuracy? Robert Woods was one pass away from paralysis. I always felt we were in every game with Orton. Did he come thru all the time. No, but he looked like he knew what he was doing. Lousy line, average running game, especially on 1d. Orton did OK.

I think alot of the same people who think marrone is great without watching bills games think that Orton sucks without watching him just because his name is kyle orton. So many of his incompletions were to avoid sacks - he didn't get sacked nearly as much as I would've expected him to behind that line

Some people dismiss his numbers as garbage time but two of the games, he was so good in garbage time that it stopped being garbage time and they won the game.

When they blocked AT ALL, he was slightly better than average. I'm not saying "when you give him all day, he's fine" because anyone would be. but when they actually made an attempt to get in the way, he got the job done. I bet that's a big reason he retired. Guy has a kid now, he's no dummy, he's got all the money he needs, why live with CTE because of Cyril Richardson and Seantrel Henderson?

Jim Kelly only had 2 years with a better passer rating. I know that's different eras, kelly would be around 100 every year now, but it's still something.

Credit to Marrone for making the switch. I don't blame him for going with orton or for leaving. i blame him for the line and for the punts

 

[Crusty]

Here is your OP.

Bill Polian was considering coming back because Marrone was there. He told them today thanks but no thanks.

You said he was considering coming back "because Marrone of there", which is a gross exaggerating of what Polian actually said. Marrone per se was not the reason - it was the lack of a QB and a HC.

"Polian told the Buffalo News he initially believed Marrone and quarterback Kyle Orton, who announced his intention to retire after 10 seasons on Monday, would still be with the team.

"Then, the quarterback goes away and the coach disappears," Polian said. "So the job, from my perspective, changed. It went from a mentoring and advising role, which would have been fun, to a real heavy lift -- hire a new coach, hire a staff, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

"The bottom line is the job description changed pretty dramatically and the most important thing is that it would have required a really long commitment to a new coach, who deserved a long commitment that I wasn't prepared to make. And that wouldn't have been fair to the organization or to whomever their new coach was. The coach is going to want to know that you're going to be there for a reasonably long time."​

 

[Finwad32]

Football coaches move around a lot. Probably more than in any other sport or business. Some consider that a good thing. Here is Bill Parcell's resume. He only stayed more than four years in one job (head coach of NYG) and he is a HOFer.
As coach:

• Hastings (1964)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Wichita State (1965)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Army (1966–1969)
  (1966-1967) (Linebackers Coach)
  (1968–1969) (Defensive Coordinator)
• Florida State (1970–1972)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Vanderbilt (1973–1974)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Texas Tech (1975–1977)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• Air Force Academy (1978)
  (Head Coach)
• New York Giants (1979)
  (Defensive Coordinator)
• New England Patriots (1980)
  (Linebackers Coach)
• New York Giants (1981–1990)
  (1981–1982) (Def. Coordinator/LB Coach)
  (1983–1990) (Head Coach)
• New England Patriots (1993–1996)
  (Head Coach)
• New York Jets (1997–1999)
  (Head Coach)
• Dallas Cowboys (2003–2006)
  (Head Coach)

As executive:

• New York Jets (1997–2000)
  (General manager)
• Miami Dolphins (2008–2010)
  (Exec. VP of Football Operations)
• Cleveland Browns (2014–present)
  (Courtesy Consultant)

Agreed, That's how you move up the ladder in the profession. It's alot more common now than it was when Parcell's did it, too.

Just wondering aloud if it was coincidence/circumstance or if it's because he's had issues with employers he's worked for.

 

[orangenirvana]

I think alot of the same people who think marrone is great without watching bills games think that Orton sucks without watching him just because his name is kyle orton. So many of his incompletions were to avoid sacks - he didn't get sacked nearly as much as I would've expected him to behind that line

Some people dismiss his numbers as garbage time but two of the games, he was so good in garbage time that it stopped being garbage time and they won the game.

When they blocked AT ALL, he was slightly better than average. I'm not saying "when you give him all day, he's fine" because anyone would be. but when they actually made an attempt to get in the way, he got the job done. I bet that's a big reason he retired. Guy has a kid now, he's no dummy, he's got all the money he needs, why live with CTE because of Cyril Richardson and Seantrel Henderson?

Jim Kelly only had 2 years with a better passer rating. I know that's different eras, kelly would be around 100 every year now, but it's still something.

Credit to Marrone for making the switch. I don't blame him for going with orton or for leaving. i blame him for the line and for the punts

Yeah, while Manuel did a much better job of avoiding sacks, Orton was a better passer overall. Orton is (was) simply an average starting NFL quarterback.

The offense didn't suck because of Orton. The offense sucked because Marrone thought he had an offensive line capable of carrying out his pre-historic scheme and when he found out that the OLine was terrible he had no idea how to fix it or make adjustments.

 

[Crusty]

Agreed, That's how you move up the ladder in the profession. It's alot more common now than it was when Parcell's did it, too.

Just wondering aloud if it was coincidence/circumstance or if it's because he's had issues with employers he's worked for.

Everyone's greatest attributes are only a few degrees away from their greatest weaknesses. Steadfastness is only a few degrees away from stubbornness, patience only a few degrees away from indecision, etc, etc.

So it is with Saint Doug. I am sure he can be a pain in the butt for many people and not worth the effort. Billionaires can be pretty fussy about subordinates.

 

[GoSU96]

The NY press appears ready to welcome Marrone with open arms. No more of that needless Buffalo negativity. In fact, they have a veritable Woody for Dougie. Two banners from today's Daily News lay it right out there:

Lupica: This reeks of stinkin' Rich! Kotite comes to mind when thinking of Marrone


Mehta: Jets coaching search takes a sleazy turn as consultants apparently pushing Marrone on Woody

And yet there is this.

http://nypost.com/2015/01/01/why-bronxs-doug-marrone-would-be-a-perfect-fit-for-the-jets/

And while it is hard to take anything Lupica writes seriously, the article isn't that rough.

 

[Symphony Steve]

And yet there is this.

http://nypost.com/2015/01/01/why-bronxs-doug-marrone-would-be-a-perfect-fit-for-the-jets/

And while it is hard to take anything Lupica writes seriously, the article isn't that rough.

The second day story in the Post mentions that Marrone might be a tough sell to the Jets fan base. Ya think? Wondering just how well they thought this whole thing through...

As a non-Jets fan, I'm totally fine with the Jets picking Marrone. But, if he bristled at perceived hostile media treatment in Buffalo, he ain't seen nothin' yet.

I also gotta say, it's hard to see how there wasn't some tampering going on. Jimmy Sexton, his agent, had to know that Marrone likely had a tangible alternative, even though teams aren't supposed to be seeking coaches/players under contract. I wrote a few days ago that having someone like Casserly involved with this process made little sense and could be counterproductive. I'm not backing down on that now.