Marrone

[Upstate]

Under Chan Gailey
2011: 4th in rushing yards per attempt, 13th in yards per play
2012: 5th in rushing yards per attempt, 13th in yards per play

Under Marrone/Hackett
2013: 14th in rushing yards per attempt, 29th in yards per play
2014: 26th in rushing yards per attempt, 28th in yards per play

#doyoubelieveinmiracles

6-10, 6-10 in those years. Last place every single year he coached.


This is what Buffalo fans long for.

 

[Chip]

6-10, 6-10 in those years. Last place every single year he coached.


This is what Buffalo fans long for.

Are you pro-Marrone or anti-Buffalo?

I've lost track.

 

[SUFan44]

6-10, 6-10 in those years. Last place every single year he coached.


This is what Buffalo fans long for.

Team Defense
2011: 28th in yards per play
2012: 22nd in yards per play

2013: 4th in yards per play
2014: 3rd in yards per play

Marrone is very good at hiring defensive coordinators and letting them do their job. That has already been established. Thanks for playing.

 

[CanadianSU]

He coached here before, he does not coach here anymore...

Not sure with all the obsession over the guy ! Best of luck to Marrone.

 

[Upstate]

Are you pro-Marrone or anti-Buffalo?

I've lost track.

I like Marrone. He's made Buffalo better than they've been in a decade with the pieces the organization gave him and it is reflected in the team's record. He's a good coach with the right attitude for the NFL. No coach will be perfect, but you've gotta roll with injuries and having mediocre QB play. He'll land on his feet and do well. That goes without saying how important he was to getting SU back on track.

 

[Chip]

I like Marrone. He's made Buffalo better than they've been in a decade with the pieces the organization gave him and it is reflected in the team's record. He's a good coach with the right attitude for the NFL. No coach will be perfect, but you've gotta roll with injuries and having mediocre QB play. He'll land on his feet and do well. That goes without saying how important he was to getting SU back on track.

The whole tone of this post, especially the underlined part, and your constant harping on Buffalo's shortcomings in this fiasco, would make me think Marrone was fired.

He wasn't. He left on his own. And it's become pretty clear in the past few days that he had $4M reasons to leave, he was going to do it regardless of any extensions offered to staff, etc.

Any Marrone fans should be thanking the Bills. Their stupidity in contract negotiations let him pocket $4M for doing absolutely nothing. Sometimes I wonder if sports fans are so caught up in the monopoly money aspect of sports these days, that they don't stop and think about how much money that actually is, and how little needs to be done to receive it. What a country.

 

[xc84]

You have no idea what you're talking about. His "talk" was with 9 players of which one pushed back to the admin and stayed. He never told a single one of them that they weren't D1 material. But most were guys who were going to be juniors and he didn't see bring in the 2 deep so he wanted to stockpile some scholies.

Btw, I can take just about any SU roster including everyone of Marrones and make an argument that the bottom players aren't D1.

I didn't say he told them they were not D1 material. He told them he would not play them. Translation, "You should leave". About 20 left (ok, maybe 17). I don't know of any who played D1 BCS after they left. I know a little of what I am talking about because I know a player (relative) who was on the team GRob's last year and knew all these guys. The scholarship roster that year came close to the minimum of 60 after the depletion.

 

[samspann1]

Under Chan Gailey
2011: 4th in rushing yards per attempt, 13th in yards per play
2012: 5th in rushing yards per attempt, 13th in yards per play

Under Marrone/Hackett
2013: 14th in rushing yards per attempt, 29th in yards per play
2014: 26th in rushing yards per attempt, 28th in yards per play

#doyoubelieveinmiracles

So the offensive stats matter at SU, but not at Buffalo. Makes sense, right?

 

[samspann1]

Doug's big mistake was coming to Syracuse at all. After NO won the Superbowl he would have gotten an HC job anyways and had a championship ring. Instead he gets run in the ground by alumni and fans that he did a solid for, real classy.

He "did a solid for"? He was paid pretty handsomely, and it was a "dream job" (at least at the time) for him.

Saint Doug, the Martyr of Cuse.

 

[anomander]

Grobs rejects went a long way towards that 8-5. Even many more of them took him to a bowl game his 2nd season.

People sure love to rip our own players. It's a wonder anyone comes here.

So it was the G-Rob "rejects" that went a long way towards Marrone's 2 bowl wins, but Marrone's rejects are part of the reason we were 3-9 last year? Right.

Just like it was all Ryan Nassib's individual talent that developed a Wing-T qb into a 4th round draft pick.

 

[samspann1]

6-10, 6-10 in those years. Last place every single year he coached.


This is what Buffalo fans long for.

Oh, I thought that we were trotting out offensive statistics...

 

[RF2044]

The whole tone of this post, especially the underlined part, and your constant harping on Buffalo's shortcomings in this fiasco, would make me think Marrone was fired.

He wasn't. He left on his own. And it's become pretty clear in the past few days that he had $4M reasons to leave, he was going to do it regardless of any extensions offered to staff, etc.

Any Marrone fans should be thanking the Bills. Their stupidity in contract negotiations let him pocket $4M for doing absolutely nothing. Sometimes I wonder if sports fans are so caught up in the monopoly money aspect of sports these days, that they don't stop and think about how much money that actually is, and how little needs to be done to receive it. What a country.

I wonder what this latest move will mean for the market perception of Marrone, especially if he ultimately isn't successful at the next stop. Short term, it sounds like there's a lot of interest. But he's dangerously close [my opinion only] of being perceived as a job hopper after leaving both SU / the bills in relatively short timeframes. Wherever he lands next, he'll have to have a sustained run [again, IMO only] to change that perception.

And while I think there were extenuating circumstances at both SU and Buffalo to explain his clashes with upper management in both instances--that's a precedent that could work against him. Starting to look like a pattern. And for the record, I'm generally pro-Marrone.

Insofar as Buffalo is concerned, I think they are in danger of being worse off for losing him. As many have pointed out, the defense was stellar, and they've had to shoestring together QBs BOTH of the years he was in town. That's a big factor in my mind in terms of evaluating the team's offensive play these two years he was HC. If they could ever stabilize that situation and get a modicum of solid play offensively from a QB, they could build something. Now, they'll start over. If they make the right hire, they can build on the foundation. If not, they could slide back to that 6-10 range pretty quickly. Kind of like SU backslid.

 

[xc84]

I wonder what this latest move will mean for the market perception of Marrone, especially if he ultimately isn't successful at the next stop. Short term, it sounds like there's a lot of interest. But he's dangerously close [my opinion only] of being perceived as a job hopper after leaving both SU / the bills in relatively short timeframes. Wherever he lands next, he'll have to have a sustained run [again, IMO only] to change that perception.

And while I think there were extenuating circumstances at both SU and Buffalo to explain his clashes with upper management in both instances--that's a precedent that could work against him. Starting to look like a pattern. And for the record, I'm generally pro-Marrone.

I agree. At some point he needs to get to steady-state and prove he can win in the long run. How long it is to "steady-state" depends on where he lands.

 

[orangenirvana]

6-10, 6-10 in those years. Last place every single year he coached.

This is what Buffalo fans long for.

What does that have to do with my post?

I've said before that Marrone gets credit for hiring two good defensive coordinators and backing away to let them do their thing. Miraculous stuff.

But aside from that, what did he do well? Is hiring good defensive coordinators on teams already stocked with talent on that side of the football sustainable?

 

[Upstate]

The whole tone of this post, especially the underlined part, and your constant harping on Buffalo's shortcomings in this fiasco, would make me think Marrone was fired.

He wasn't. He left on his own. And it's become pretty clear in the past few days that he had $4M reasons to leave, he was going to do it regardless of any extensions offered to staff, etc.

Any Marrone fans should be thanking the Bills. Their stupidity in contract negotiations let him pocket $4M for doing absolutely nothing. Sometimes I wonder if sports fans are so caught up in the monopoly money aspect of sports these days, that they don't stop and think about how much money that actually is, and how little needs to be done to receive it. What a country.

Of course he left on his own. Sorry if you read it that way, or if I wrote it that way. It was more a point of my opinion that he'll succeed at another place, wherever that may be. What caused him to leave, what caused Buffalo to agree to that clause -- those things we may never know the exact details for. Would have pegged Buffalo for a playoff spot next year if they made some FA noise, especially at QB, and got healthy. Not sure if another transition will keep them on pace, but I thought Marrone did admirably considering how little success the Bills have had in the last decade. Feels more like one step forward, two steps back with the Bills.

 

[Chip]

I wonder what this latest move will mean for the market perception of Marrone, especially if he ultimately isn't successful at the next stop. Short term, it sounds like there's a lot of interest. But he's dangerously close [my opinion only] of being perceived as a job hopper after leaving both SU / the bills in relatively short timeframes. Wherever he lands next, he'll have to have a sustained run [again, IMO only] to change that perception.

And while I think there were extenuating circumstances at both SU and Buffalo to explain his clashes with upper management in both instances--that's a precedent that could work against him. Starting to look like a pattern. And for the record, I'm generally pro-Marrone.

Insofar as Buffalo is concerned, I think they are in danger of being worse off for losing him. As many have pointed out, the defense was stellar, and they've had to shoestring together QBs BOTH of the years he was in town. That's a big factor in my mind in terms of evaluating the team's offensive play these two years he was HC. If they could ever stabilize that situation and get a modicum of solid play offensively from a QB, they could build something. Now, they'll start over. If they make the right hire, they can build on the foundation. If not, they could slide back to that 6-10 range pretty quickly. Kind of like SU backslid.

It sounds like the Bills didn't really have a choice, except to say here Doug, you control literally everything and here's a bunch of money. Which they just couldn't do.

As for Marrone, he's definitely got the buzz, he'll get one of the open jobs, maybe even the one he wants most. But I can't imagine he'd get another opt out clause like that. They'll be wanting a stronger commitment from him. I think they'll also try their best to vet how high maintenance he might become. Everyone wants to win but not everyone wants a headache. They don't have to come as a package deal.

 

[orangenirvana]

Insofar as Buffalo is concerned, I think they are in danger of being worse off for losing him. As many have pointed out, the defense was stellar, and they've had to shoestring together QBs BOTH of the years he was in town. That's a big factor in my mind in terms of evaluating the team's offensive play these two years he was HC. If they could ever stabilize that situation and get a modicum of solid play offensively from a QB, they could build something. Now, they'll start over. If they make the right hire, they can build on the foundation. If not, they could slide back to that 6-10 range pretty quickly. Kind of like SU backslid.

Orton was not terrible. He had a better QB rating this season than Fitzpatrick ever had under Gailey. Yet the offense was much less productive. That's not on the QB - that's on whoever is running the offense (Marrone).

If Orton was so bad then why was Marrone so shocked and seemingly depressed to learn he was retiring?

 

[Upstate]

What does that have to do with my post?

I've said before that Marrone gets credit for hiring two good defensive coordinators and backing away to let them do their thing. Miraculous stuff.

But aside from that, what did he do well? Is hiring good defensive coordinators on teams already stocked with talent on that side of the football sustainable?

Why does any head coach ever get respect then? It was Marrone's show, he hired a good staff and got wins in his second season for a reeling organization.

The NFL comes down to wins and losses. It doesn't matter how you get them, just keep winning, baby. You can complain all you want about this that and the other thing, but when you're throwing Boobie Dixon out there for half a season with Kyle Orton manning the helm and you find a way to get 9 wins, I'd call it a success.

I'm a Giants fan. Not having Jennings in the lineup during the middle of the season killed everything. Andre Williams is good, but not ready to contribute. Not to mention Victor Cruz. The offense and defense looked lost 50% of the time until Beckham made the Giants look respectable from the middle of the season on.

Alonso was primed to be one of the best LBs in the league this year and to not have him hurt. An aging Fred and hurt Spiller doesn't help (inconsistent running game is an offense KILLER) -- plus, the overall youth on the offense will put the Bills in a hole. Eventually, the Bills will put it together and possibly take over the Pats. Thought it'd be 2015 with Doug. Couldn't say I'd be confident in that without him. Let's see what Rex Ryan does next year

 

[rrlbees]

So it was the G-Rob "rejects" that went a long way towards Marrone's 2 bowl wins, but Marrone's rejects are part of the reason we were 3-9 last year?.

You do the math.

 

[orangenirvana]

Why does any head coach ever get respect then? It was Marrone's show, he hired a good staff and got wins in his second season for a reeling organization.

The NFL comes down to wins and losses. It doesn't matter how you get them, just keep winning, baby. You can complain all you want about this that and the other thing, but when you're throwing Boobie Dixon out there for half a season with Kyle Orton manning the helm and you find a way to get 9 wins, I'd call it a success.

I'm a Giants fan. Not having Jennings in the lineup during the middle of the season killed everything. Andre Williams is good, but not ready to contribute. Not to mention Victor Cruz. The offense and defense looked lost 50% of the time until Beckham made the Giants look respectable from the middle of the season on.

Alonso was primed to be one of the best LBs in the league this year and to not have him hurt. An aging Fred and hurt Spiller doesn't help (inconsistent running game is an offense KILLER) -- plus, the overall youth on the offense will put the Bills in a hole. Eventually, the Bills will put it together and possibly take over the Pats. Thought it'd be 2015 with Doug. Couldn't say I'd be confident in that without him. Let's see what Rex Ryan does next year

Injuries are a part of the sport and had absolutely nothing to do with why the offense collapsed like it did as soon as Gailey left.

Running backs for the most part are a dime-a-dozen. Boobie isn't any better or worse than the vast majority. Of course when you have a running back that is out of the ordinary like say CJ Spiller, you hope your coaches know how to take advantage of his unique skills. And Marrone had not a clue.

You called winning 9 games in Buffalo a miracle. I'm telling you why it's not.

 

[Scooch]

The facts clearly show that he can turn around disasters pretty quickly.

Other coaches who turned around "disasters" by increasing a team's prior win total by 2 games in a season or two...

Mike Mularkey
Dick Jauron
Wade Phillips

The NFL fact is that Marrone can take a 6 win team and make it an 8 win team in 2 years. I mean, that's nice, but it's not exactly Brian Billick taking over a 6 win team and winnng a Super Bowl 2 years later with Trent Dilfer either.

 

[GoSU96]

You do the math.

Yeah, 18 v 4, 19 v 3.

 

[Statesman1]

The whole tone of this post, especially the underlined part, and your constant harping on Buffalo's shortcomings in this fiasco, would make me think Marrone was fired.

He wasn't. He left on his own. And it's become pretty clear in the past few days that he had $4M reasons to leave, he was going to do it regardless of any extensions offered to staff, etc.

Any Marrone fans should be thanking the Bills. Their stupidity in contract negotiations let him pocket $4M for doing absolutely nothing. Sometimes I wonder if sports fans are so caught up in the monopoly money aspect of sports these days, that they don't stop and think about how much money that actually is, and how little needs to be done to receive it. What a country.

The Bills weren't stupid in allowing the opt out clause for St. Doug, they were desperate. RW God rest his soul was closer to 100 than 80 and, well Buffalo will always be Buffalo- a small market low profile franchise- why on Earth would any decent candidate come to Buffalo with the age and health of Mr. Wilson and the obvious practical implications of an ownership change hanging over the organization? It was the price of doing business and luring a good candidate.

 

[xc84]

The Bills will forever be haunted by the curse of Doug Flutie after they benched him in favor of the quarterback of the future.

 

[Statesman1]

I wonder what this latest move will mean for the market perception of Marrone, especially if he ultimately isn't successful at the next stop. Short term, it sounds like there's a lot of interest. But he's dangerously close [my opinion only] of being perceived as a job hopper after leaving both SU / the bills in relatively short timeframes. Wherever he lands next, he'll have to have a sustained run [again, IMO only] to change that perception.

And while I think there were extenuating circumstances at both SU and Buffalo to explain his clashes with upper management in both instances--that's a precedent that could work against him. Starting to look like a pattern. And for the record, I'm generally pro-Marrone.

Insofar as Buffalo is concerned, I think they are in danger of being worse off for losing him. As many have pointed out, the defense was stellar, and they've had to shoestring together QBs BOTH of the years he was in town. That's a big factor in my mind in terms of evaluating the team's offensive play these two years he was HC. If they could ever stabilize that situation and get a modicum of solid play offensively from a QB, they could build something. Now, they'll start over. If they make the right hire, they can build on the foundation. If not, they could slide back to that 6-10 range pretty quickly. Kind of like SU backslid.

Sounds reasonable to me. I still have a hard time quantifying the so-called clashes with management and what that actually means. Jim Harbaugh couldn't get along and he's making $8mil. If he can win someone will always roll the dice.