Marrone

[Stern]

And now this:

http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2015/01/01/report-falcons-to-interview-doug-marrone/

Leverage to get better deal with the Jets.

Could be the other way around. Use the Jets to get a better deal out of Atlanta

 

[BuffOrange]

You do realize that the NFL is cyclic, right? When the Bills were winning 10-13 games a year and contending for Super Bowls consistently from 1988-95, the Patriots were awful. Like worse than Buffalo over any point of this current 15-year playoff drought. This current downward cycle of the Bills has gone longer than most, but it's going to turn around. It's just a matter of time. That's the nature of the NFL.

Doug Marrone is an average football coach. You can argue starting points and everything else all you want. For a guy with such an offensive background, his team's offenses over the last seven years both in NCAA and NFL have been downright pathetic.

The amount of luck he had during his final years at SU and Buffalo is astronomical.

Syracuse - USF victory in last minute, Missouri win in last minute, Pitt win due to defensive TD. He was 3 plays away from going 4-8.

Buffalo - Detroit win where FG kicker missed all 3 FGs, Minnesota win in last minute, NE win where Pats didn't care. He's 3 plays away from going 6-10.

Those plays are going to even out over time. And he will be fired from his next job because of it.

This is not even mentioning his unwillingness to change and his abrasive attitude towards players, media and front office personnel. He's got an awful big ego for someone that hasn't won squat.

What goes around comes around. Marrone is going to get what he deserves at some point.

Exactly. All the analytics will say the 2015 Bills have all the red flags of a regression team for all the reasons you mention, as well as my Post #98 (which I wrote before anyone thought/knew he was opting out). That's going to look good on him in the short-term, which kinda makes me puke. In the long run though, I'd rather have a good coach than a good politician & it's good that this dunce is out the door.

 

[chakka3421]

Seems to me that he's like a lot of head coaches in any sport. He wants everything done his way. Why do you think Harbaugh is going back to Michigan or why Bielema and Anderson have left Wisconsin? It's all Parcells' fault with his grocery shopping philosophy.

Amazing how posts about Marrone is more polarizing than posts about Rutgers...absolutely nothing wrong with what Marrone did. The Bills could have extended his contract.

There are some chaotic comments in this thread...business is business. The Bills made a choice and Marrone made a choice...it's as simple as that.

And this is for Millhouse - he didn't punt on his contract, he went for it. Nuff said.

 

[Millhouse]

Amazing how posts about Marrone is more polarizing than posts about Rutgers...absolutely nothing wrong with what Marrone did. The Bills could have extended his contract. There are some chaotic comments in this thread...business is business. The Bills made a choice and Marrone made a choice...it's as simple as that. And this is for Millhouse - he didn't punt on his contract, he went for it. Nuff said.

He accepts help from smarter people on those matters. Good for him. The guy hires good defensive coordinators and agents. He should hire a math teacher next

 

[orangenirvana]

It's a miracle he got the Bills a winning record this season. Absolute miracle. He can name his price, he's earned it.

Dumbest post I've ever read.

 

[Jake]

You should be happy with 9-7 because the Bills haven't seen that in 10 years. Period.

Pro football isn't college. Every team in the league can and should win at some point. The draft and cap ensure that the difference in the league top and bottom is minuscule. The fact that the bills haven't been good is because their coaching and drafting have been much shittier than the rest of the league.

No one should be happy with mediocrity.

 

[Millhouse]

Dumbest post I've ever read.

Bills games are shown in two hundred households with Solomon wilcots and balki bartakamoose on the call. All these national guys falling over themselves don't watch them. Someone else mentioned it, does anyone believe cowherd watched a bills game?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Bills games are shown in two hundred households with Solomon wilcots and balki bartakamoose on the call. All these national guys falling over themselves don't watch them. Someone else mentioned it, does anyone believe cowherd watched a bills game?

We do the dance of joy.

 

[Chip]

Amazing how posts about Marrone is more polarizing than posts about Rutgers...absolutely nothing wrong with what Marrone did. The Bills could have extended his contract. There are some chaotic comments in this thread...business is business. The Bills made a choice and Marrone made a choice...it's as simple as that. And this is for Millhouse - he didn't punt on his contract, he went for it. Nuff said.

I read that they did offer him an extension. But he moved the goal posts and declined.

He should consider himself blessed to have such loyal fans, the way he moves around.

 

[Millhouse]

I read that they did offer him an extension. But he moved the goal posts and declined. He should consider himself blessed to have such loyal fans, the way he moves around.

Pegula offered enough to look like a gentleman but not enough where Marrone would actually say yes.

Marrone keeps taking jobs not knowing what he is getting into. Syracuse facilities, buffalo media and ownership. Next up, the jets and the pressure.

 

[cmr27]

That average football coach has maximized his value. Credit to him for turning his ability into millions for he and his family- truly an example of a success story.

I enjoyed Marrone's time here but the same could be said of the Washington Redskins. Maximum value. Most profitable team in the league. Truly an example of a success story...

 

[Finwad32]

Yep. Definitely have to credit him and his agent from a financial standpoint. He's done great there.

But at some point you have to ask yourself why at both the college and NFL he's been able to alienate so many people. And many of them before he left either place. IMO he makes his job tougher and less satisfying.

Interesting point about the alienation. I'm a fan of Marrone, but, you've gotta wonder how long he can continue to ascend if he is that hard to work with or for. He's never worked for the same HC at more than one stop, this could be a coincidence.

• Cortland State (TE) (1992)
• Coast Guard (OL) (1993)
• Northeastern (OL) (1994)
• Georgia Tech (TE) (1996)
• Georgia Tech (OL) (1997–1999)
• Georgia (OL) (2000)
• Tennessee (TE/OT) (2001)
• New York Jets (OL) (2002–2005)
• New Orleans Saints (OC) (2006–2008)
• Syracuse (2009–2012)
• Buffalo Bills (2013–2014)

Definitely not a history of being the same place for long. Longest stints being 4 years at any one stop. Granted that's how you move up the ladder and maybe it's just circumstance at this point. Somewhere along the line, though, I'm interested to see if he'll ever stay put.

Will he ever be satisfied?

He's made a career out of selling high and capitalizing on his marketability. This might be his put up or shut up stop as a HC.

 

[Orangeman]

A lot of mixed feelings here…was fun to have a coach for my pro team who'd been coach of my college team.

I am amazed at the numbers here and I guess I'm just naive about what makes a good Head Coach.

I recognize they set the tone, the overall strategies, are responsible for personnel and game-planning, hiring the OCs and DCs, etc. I get all that.

I also personally believe that Marrone is a good coach, so I'm sorry to see him leave.

But the world is also about facts/results/outcomes, etc, as well as being accountable for decisions. Here's where I'm just plain jealous that a guy with this record gets to pocket $4m and move on to a higher-paying job. Frankly, good for him…

As a fan, I literally disagreed with almost 90% of Marrone's in-game decisions…punts, plays, 3rd and whatever. I get that he's an Offensive minded player, but what on earth was visible these seasons to demonstrate that? Runs straight ahead with the wrong personnel (Spiller) or outside (Jackson)…3rd and 8 passes that go 4 yards to Chandler. To the non-Bills fan this sounds anecdotal, but it's literally not…these things happened all the time.

The Williams WR acquisition was a disaster. The QB draft was bad so far. The WR draft was OK I suppose but gave up a LOT (I guess this is all on the GM?).

The D is based on talent, coaching a bit I guess.

In game decisions were questionable. Lost a game that would have gotten them into the playoffs on the road against the 2-12 Raiders. Won some games that were quality wins, let some bad ones slip away (Chargers, KC) that show the Coach isn't ready to deliver the playoffs in a league that requires it…

What am I missing? I guess in this world that's worth $8m this year total comp

 

[Upstate]

Dumbest post I've ever read.

Yes, because getting the team's SECOND (!!!!) winning season since 2000 isn't a miracle. And first since the 2004 season. I guess worse-than-mediocrity runs so deep in the Buffalo organization, they can't see success when it's staring them in the face. Guy gets the organization a winning season and the fans are still mad. Guy just can't win. The team has progressed from being the laughing stock of the NFL for YEARS to beating the team most consider the best in the NFL in a winning season and the fans still complain. If you can't see that as a good sign, you don't deserve the success.

 

[Millhouse]

Yes, because getting the team's SECOND (!!!!) winning season since 2000 isn't a miracle. And first since the 2004 season. I guess worse-than-mediocrity runs so deep in the Buffalo organization, they can't see success when it's staring them in the face. Guy gets the organization a winning season and the fans are still mad. Guy just can't win. The team has progressed from being the laughing stock of the NFL for YEARS to beating the team most consider the best in the NFL in a winning season and the fans still complain. If you can't see that as a good sign, you don't deserve the success.

It's not a miracle to stop sucking. You should try it hey oh!

 

[SUFan44]

Yes, because getting the team's SECOND (!!!!) winning season since 2000 isn't a miracle. And first since the 2004 season. I guess worse-than-mediocrity runs so deep in the Buffalo organization, they can't see success when it's staring them in the face. Guy gets the organization a winning season and the fans are still mad. Guy just can't win. The team has progressed from being the laughing stock of the NFL for YEARS to beating the team most consider the best in the NFL in a winning season and the fans still complain. If you can't see that as a good sign, you don't deserve the success.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

 

[CuseOnly]

That's stupid

Is it really? Apparently there are a ton of coaches that can get the Bills to a winning record historically.

 

[CuseOnly]

He walked out on a good gig. Time will tell if he was 'smart'.

He sure didn't display any loyalty with this move or, come to think of it, his last one.

Being a good businessman, if that is what he is, is not the same as being a coach who his players, or teams, including GM's, can trust. Plus, if he doesn't get another NFL HC gig, just how smart a businessman is he?

When are people going to realize there is no loyalty in business? How many head coaches haveto leave for better gigs, how many sign deals in the middle of the night or fly planes 15 min after a bowl game, for more money?

Stop with the loyalty mumbo jumbo, it doesn't exist. It is a figment of your imagination. People make the best decisions for them at the time.

If he doesn't get another HC gig this year, he still gets his $4 mil salary or did you miss that part of the deal. Pretty Smart is my answer to your question.

 

[Symphony Steve]

When are people going to realize there is no loyalty in business? How many head coaches haveto leave for better gigs, how many sign deals in the middle of the night or fly planes 15 min after a bowl game, for more money?

Stop with the loyalty mumbo jumbo, it doesn't exist. It is a figment of your imagination. People make the best decisions for them at the time.

If he doesn't get another HC gig this year, he still gets his $4 mil salary or did you miss that part of the deal. Pretty Smart is my answer to your question.

He demands it of his players. Blind loyalty, no less. It wasn't lost on the Bills players, nor will it be lost on players for his new team, that he's just passing through, and will throw anybody under the bus to protect his rep. Don't think players will continue to play for a guy like that.

Plus, we still don't know how good a coach he is. He moved two programs to mediocrity, but we can't know whether he would have moved them to, say, good, had he chosen to stay. In fact, you could make the argument (I will) that he KNEW he couldn't make the teams much better and, in fact, might have seen them regress.

In which case, he wouldn't take the next step. Which I think is why he left. Out the door before reality kicks him in the butt.

 

[Millhouse]

Is it really? Apparently there are a ton of coaches that can get the Bills to a winning record historically.

Saban levy Knox Phillips mularkey marrone off the top of my head

 

[CuseOnly]

He demands it of his players. Blind loyalty, no less. It wasn't lost on the Bills.players, nor will it be lost on players for his new team, that he's just passing through, and will throw anybody under the bus to protect his rep. Don't think players will continue to play for a guy like that.

Plus, we still don't know how good a coach he is. He moved two programs to mediocrity, but we can't know whether he would have moved them to, say, good, had he chosen to stay. In fact, you could make the argument (I will) that he KNEW he couldn't make the teams much better and, in fact, might have seen them regress.

In which case, he wouldn't take the next step. Which I think is why he left. Out the door before reality kicks him in the butt.

When did you ever hear that he demanded loyalty from his players? Provide a link.

He demanded effort, accountability, a certain attitude and excellence never loyalty of his players. Why would he? If you don't perform or aren't good enough to play, you simply don't play whether in college or the NFL. In the NFL when you don't perform, you lose money in your next contract if you are a player.

 

[CuseOnly]

Saban levy Knox Phillips mularkey marrone off the top of my head

5 in 60+ years, good track record.

 

[Symphony Steve]

Maybe he left b/c he deemed himself accountable for picking EJ Manuel. A real stand-up guy. Except he didn't. He left to leverage a temporary financial advantage into a $4 mill payday. Just like Vince Lombardi did (snark, for those whose filters are turned off).

I was totally fine when Marrone took the Bills job. But, looking at the pattern, including his classless exit from Buffalo, I've concluded that he's Parcells w/o a scintilla of the Big Tuna's track record.

Don't see it ending well for him. Except monetarily.

 

[SUFan44]

It's all a money grab for him. Which fine, if that's what you want, more power to you. Careers in that business are finite for those that aren't very good.

 

[Millhouse]

5 in 60+ years, good track record.

Didn't say it was. Ralph Wilson was awful. Was.