Marrone

[Chip]

6 wins a year is a disaster. 7.5* wins is a miraculous turnaround

Almost makes you wish the Pats needed that final game for home field advantage.

8-8 season with a late loss to the Raiders (Raiders!) in a game you needed the most.

From disaster to, well, I'm sure it can be framed as needed. I know if it were me on the Sainthood voting board, my thumb would be down.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

And then get the hell out before seeing it go to the next level.

Godspeed Jets. Tell your fans to be nice.

(he's not going there unless everyone else passes).

Assuming he gets another HC job, I wonder what it will say depending on which job he takes.

If he goes to Atlanta, San Fran or Chicago, where they have some talent and aren't that far, well, he's got to make it happen. If he doesn't in Chicago he can pretty easily make Cutler in to the scapegoat, but I don't see room for much excuse in Atlanta or San Fran.

If he goes to Oakland or the J-E-T-S, well, of course there's no expectation. They really don't have a QB between them.

 

[samspann1]

Ok...so why didn't he point out Marrone was 8-5 his last year. That's a fact too. Teams improve. Should Marrone's first year with GRob rejects be judged the same has his last?

IMO, the entire body of work is more relevant than the best, worst, or most recent year. JMO.

 

[Millhouse]

IMO, the entire body of work is more relevant than the best, worst, or most recent year. JMO.

and he's nowhere without grob's rejects in year 4

 

[xc84]

IMO, the entire body of work is more relevant than the best, worst, or most recent year. JMO.

It is if you have been around a while. He had 2 years in the NFL and 4 in college. In both cases, he turned around dismal teams.

 

[xc84]

and he's nowhere without grob's rejects in year 4

LOL...like the 20 he advised to leave?

 

[GoSU96]

“They’ll be doing a search again in two years,” one front-office executive said. “I don’t think Marrone’s going to win there. He’s never won anywhere he’s been a head coach.”

That is such a stupid statement.

He took over the worst program in the BCS conferences and one of the 10 worst in all of D-1 and won eight games in year two, the most wins since 2001. He had a winning season in Buffalo, another sh!tshow, first in 10 years in year two.

Here are the stats ranking for SU in 2008:

Category 2008
Total Offense 114
Rushing Offense 55
Passing Offense 113
Scoring Offense 108
Pass Efficiency 113
3rd Down 115
Sacks Allowed 98

Here is 2012

Total Offense 17
Rushing Offense 40
Passing Offense 29
Scoring Offense 55
Pass Efficiency 37
3rd Down 9
Sacks Allowed 22

In four years he took worst offense in D-1, because 2008 was just a repeat of the three prior years, did a total rebuild, and four years later had a top 20 offense. That's a hell of a turnaround, and without a top 50 class.

They took a two star Wing-T PA Prep School QB, "the worst QB to ever start at Syracuse" according to many of the geniuses here, and developed him into a 4th round draft pick.

 

[samspann1]

what were the Bills' offensive rankings in '13 and '14?

And what were they under Marrone's predecessor, Chan Gailey?

 

[samspann1]

It is if you have been around a while. He had 2 years in the NFL and 4 in college. In both cases, he turned around dismal teams.

so what is the arbitrary time period after which one should be judged on their entire body of work?

 

[Toga]

Has DM donated in the past to SU? What are chances of seeing some of that extra $4M he's got hanging around?

 

[rrlbees]

Ok...so why didn't he point out Marrone was 8-5 his last year. That's a fact too. Teams improve. Should Marrone's first year with GRob rejects be judged the same has his last?

Grobs rejects went a long way towards that 8-5. Even many more of them took him to a bowl game his 2nd season.

People sure love to rip our own players. It's a wonder anyone comes here.

 

[Chip]

Assuming he gets another HC job, I wonder what it will say depending on which job he takes.

If he goes to Atlanta, San Fran or Chicago, where they have some talent and aren't that far, well, he's got to make it happen. If he doesn't in Chicago he can pretty easily make Cutler in to the scapegoat, but I don't see room for much excuse in Atlanta or San Fran.

If he goes to Oakland or the J-E-T-S, well, of course there's no expectation. They really don't have a QB between them.

I think he's dying to go to Atlanta. Get his wife back somewhere she likes. Media friendly, fan friendly. Matt Ryan and Julio Jones.

 

[orangenirvana]

What's funny is all the media stuff. WGR after the GB game spent the whole day on "should he stay or should he go"? And that's the teams broadcast partner.

It was absurd, Brandon basically told them to ' off in the middle of an interview. Best season, most competitive team in 10 years and the two stat boy geeks are fixated on a handful of punt calls.

In NY guys like Cimini and Serby are already in his corner. I'd imagine Kay will support him as well.

What a bunch of meanies those Buffalo guys are! How dare they question the great Saint Doug?

New York City will be sure to caress him and treat him like the legend he is.

 

[rrlbees]

LOL...like the 20 he advised to leave?

Those guys played? I thought you said he coached grobs rejects?

 

[rrlbees]

That is such a stupid statement. He took over the worst program in the BCS conferences and one of the 10 worst in all of D-1 and won eight games in year two, the most wins since 2001. He had a winning season in Buffalo, another sh!tshow, first in 10 years in year two. Here are the stats ranking for SU in 2008: Category 2008 Total Offense 114 Rushing Offense 55 Passing Offense 113 Scoring Offense 108 Pass Efficiency 113 3rd Down 115 Sacks Allowed 98 Here is 2012 Total Offense 17 Rushing Offense 40 Passing Offense 29 Scoring Offense 55 Pass Efficiency 37 3rd Down 9 Sacks Allowed 22 In four years he took worst offense in D-1, because 2008 was just a repeat of the three prior years, did a total rebuild, and four years later had a top 20 offense. That's a hell of a turnaround, and without a top 50 class. They took a two star Wing-T PA Prep School QB, "the worst QB to ever start at Syracuse" according to many of the geniuses here, and developed him into a 4th round draft pick.

I'm pretty sure the guy is talking record, not stats. 25-25 and 15-17 is what he's referencing.

 

[SUFan44]

What's funny is all the media stuff. WGR after the GB game spent the whole day on "should he stay or should he go"? And that's the teams broadcast partner.

It was absurd, Brandon basically told them to ' off in the middle of an interview. Best season, most competitive team in 10 years and the two stat boy geeks are fixated on a handful of punt calls.

In NY guys like Cimini and Serby are already in his corner. I'd imagine Kay will support him as well.

Kay, Serby and Cimini? Really? C'mon. Serby is a tool and isn't even a beat writer, Cimini is a Cuse guy and don't get me started on Michael Kay, one of the worst in the business.

Have you ever listened to NYC talk radio or read any articles in NY papers? The media 1,000 times worse than Buffalo. The first game Marrone starts punting from the other team's 35 down 7 with 6 minutes left, there will be hell to pay. And his "running around the question" answers won't fly in NY.

Look at Coughlin - the guy has won two Super Bowls in the past decade and they want to run him out of town. If you think 3 guys who don't matter being in his corner will make a difference, you're crazy.

For those three guys I can find 15 that A) cover the Jets far more frequently, B) ask much better questions and C) won't give Marrone a free pass.

 

[orangenirvana]

what were the Bills' offensive rankings in '13 and '14?

And what were they under Marrone's predecessor, Chan Gailey?

Under Chan Gailey
2011: 4th in rushing yards per attempt, 13th in yards per play
2012: 5th in rushing yards per attempt, 13th in yards per play

Under Marrone/Hackett
2013: 14th in rushing yards per attempt, 29th in yards per play
2014: 26th in rushing yards per attempt, 28th in yards per play

#doyoubelieveinmiracles

 

[CousCuse]

Doug's big mistake was coming to Syracuse at all. After NO won the Superbowl he would have gotten an HC job anyways and had a championship ring. Instead he gets run in the ground by alumni and fans that he did a solid for, real classy.

 

[SUFan44]

Doug's big mistake was coming to Syracuse at all. After NO won the Superbowl he would have gotten an HC job anyways and had a championship ring. Instead he gets run in the ground by alumni and fans that he did a solid for, real classy.

Just stop. Marrone made his bed with everything that he has done. Do I appreciate what he did when he was at SU? Absolutely. Do I think he was a miracle worker? Absolutely not. Nor do I think he was a miracle worker in Buffalo. Those that do don't understand NCAA or NFL football very well. I'd be happy to explain further, but it's already been explained ad nauseam.

 

[xc84]

Grobs rejects went a long way towards that 8-5. Even many more of them took him to a bowl game his 2nd season.

People sure love to rip our own players. It's a wonder anyone comes here.

In Marrone's first year, he encouraged about 20 guys to leave telling them they would not play. I admit, calling them "rejects" is too harsh. Many are probably good kids but the fact remains that Marrone inherited a team whose roster included 20 players he didn't think were capable of playing at that level (and it's not like any proved him wrong). You take any team that has 20-25% of its scholarship players not D1 material and you don't have much of a team.

 

[xc84]

Those guys played? I thought you said he coached grobs rejects?

the 20 guys that left didn't play at SU... and I don't know if any played at any other BCS team.

 

[xc84]

so what is the arbitrary time period after which one should be judged on their entire body of work?

I think you should ignore the fact that he took at team that had won 10 games in total the prior 4 years to 2 bowl games over the next 4 years. Ignore that and just look at his first year. That's the best way to evaluate a coach. Ignore how bad the team he inherited was. That should not factor in.

 

[CousCuse]

Just stop. Marrone made his bed with everything that he has done. Do I appreciate what he did when he was at SU? Absolutely. Do I think he was a miracle worker? Absolutely not. Nor do I think he was a miracle worker in Buffalo. Those that do don't understand NCAA or NFL football very well. I'd be happy to explain further, but it's already been explained ad nauseam.

Did Doug play o-line in the 84 game against Nebraska ? You people are ingrates .

 

[rrlbees]

In Marrone's first year, he encouraged about 20 guys to leave telling them they would not play. I admit, calling them "rejects" is too harsh. Many are probably good kids but the fact remains that Marrone inherited a team whose roster included 20 players he didn't think were capable of playing at that level (and it's not like any proved him wrong). You take any team that has 20-25% of its scholarship players not D1 material and you don't have much of a team.

You have no idea what you're talking about. His "talk" was with 9 players of which one pushed back to the admin and stayed. He never told a single one of them that they weren't D1 material. But most were guys who were going to be juniors and he didn't see bring in the 2 deep so he wanted to stockpile some scholies.

Btw, I can take just about any SU roster including everyone of Marrones and make an argument that the bottom players aren't D1.

 

[rrlbees]

the 20 guys that left didn't play at SU... and I don't know if any played at any other BCS team.

You said Marrones first year WITH grobs rejects. Those guys weren't with Marrone his first year.


xc84, post: 1243587 said:
Ok...so why didnt he point out Marrone was 8-5 his last year. Thats a fact too. Teams improve. Should Marrones first year with GRob rejects be judged the same has his last?