NBA 2017-2018 thread

[Trueblue25]

a 2nd round pick?


That's fine.

 

[Melancer46]

Cleveland's GM comes off bad in this deal.

It's obvious Isaiah didn't flunk that physical. If he did they void the deal.

They tried to strong arm the Celtics after the fact. That is Bush League.

Boston wouldn't hide any medicals from Cleveland or no team would ever do deals with Ainge again.

2nd round picks can be bought for 3 million dollars on draft night.

Isaiah isn't out for the season or Boston's medical team would have killed their own season.

I still think Cleveland would ultimately take this deal even if they thought Isaiah were out for the season. I just think the Brooklyn pick is the trump card compared to other offers they received.

They do look silly for making this a giant fiasco all just to get a future 2nd round pick though.

 

[Fireball Jr.]

I still think Cleveland would ultimately take this deal even if they thought Isaiah were out for the season. I just think the Brooklyn pick is the trump card compared to other offers they received.

They do look silly for making this a giant fiasco all just to get a future 2nd round pick though.

Who made this a giant fiasco? Altman didn't say a word publicly, neither did Gilbert nor the team leader, LeBron.

The deadline for the deal being finalized is 10am today. All the conjecture and predictions came from the sports media and fans. If there was a fiasco, it was created by all the noise from everywhere but the Cavs and Celts.

Man, I am looking forward to Oct. 17, the season opener with Boston at Cleveland. Kyrie better bring some earplugs. Too bad Isaiah won't be able to play, imagine the crowd reaction to him being introduced.

 

[Knicks411]

Boston didn't hide the medicals.

Our Long Cavaliers-Celtics Trade Nightmare Is Over - The Ringer

They gave everything to Cleveland prior to the trade. This was posturing by Gilbert.

Cleveland did the deal for Crowder and the Brooklyn pick they said so in the article.

I think Isaiah will be on the court by Halloween if not first week in November range.

I never said Boston hid the medicals. My point is 2 doctors can have a different diagnosis with the same information. Additional question; I don't know this, but I'm presuming the Cleveland doctors saw IT after t he trade was agreed to, right?

It's fine if you think he'll be on the court then, as far as I know, you aren't a doctor, and it seems like the Cleveland doctors have a much different opinion.

 

[Alsacs]

I never said Boston hid the medicals. My point is 2 doctors can have a different diagnosis with the same information. Additional question; I don't know this, but I'm presuming the Cleveland doctors saw IT after t he trade was agreed to, right?

It's fine if you think he'll be on the court then, as far as I know, you aren't a doctor, and it seems like the Cleveland doctors have a much different opinion.

You think Cleveland comes off worse or Boston in this case?

Ainge didn't hide anything. Cleveland was trying to get more they got a 2nd round pick Ainge got from Miami to help them with Dragic.

Cleveland has been leaking to Woj the whole time.
Boston didn't leak. Gilbert comes off bad.

 

[Knicks411]

You think Cleveland comes off worse or Boston in this case?

Ainge didn't hide anything. Cleveland was trying to get more they got a 2nd round pick Ainge got from Miami to help them with Dragic.

Cleveland has been leaking to Woj the whole time.
Boston didn't leak. Gilbert comes off bad.

Gilbert comes off bad getting out of bed in the morning, so that's not a story.

I don't think anyone is alleging that Boston hid information. Different medical teams can have different opinions on the same patient. It's entirely possible that Cleveland both thinks IT is hurt worse than Boston thinks, and that they were trying to use it as leverage to squeeze more out of Boston. I don't think Boston came off bad here at all. Not trying to say that.

 

[Fireball Jr.]

Gilbert comes off bad getting out of bed in the morning, so that's not a story.

I don't think anyone is alleging that Boston hid information. Different medical teams can have different opinions on the same patient. It's entirely possible that Cleveland both thinks IT is hurt worse than Boston thinks, and that they were trying to use it as leverage to squeeze more out of Boston. I don't think Boston came off bad here at all. Not trying to say that.

Great opening line.

 

[MikeSU02]

Gilbert comes off bad getting out of bed in the morning, so that's not a story.

I don't think anyone is alleging that Boston hid information. Different medical teams can have different opinions on the same patient. It's entirely possible that Cleveland both thinks IT is hurt worse than Boston thinks, and that they were trying to use it as leverage to squeeze more out of Boston. I don't think Boston came off bad here at all. Not trying to say that.

I don't think Altman comes off bad at all. Kyrie didn't want to be there. He got a short-term piece in IT and some role players and got the long-term piece of Bron leaves (or doesn't leave) in the Bklyn pick, plus a second rounder as a kicker.

Boston got Kyrie, which is what they wanted.

Two teams negotiated and got what they needed. I think it's fine all around. No one is going to remember the extra few days and the 2nd rounder.

 

[Knicks411]

I don't think Altman comes off bad at all. Kyrie didn't want to be there. He got a short-term piece in IT and some role players and got the long-term piece of Bron leaves (or doesn't leave) in the Bklyn pick, plus a second rounder as a kicker.

Boston got Kyrie, which is what they wanted.

Two teams negotiated and got what they needed. I think it's fine all around. No one is going to remember the extra few days and the 2nd rounder.

Now that the trade is done, can we talk about Boston having an over/under of 56.5? Seems too high to me, i am pretty sure they had the second highest in the whole league

 

[Alsacs]

Now that the trade is done, can we talk about Boston having an over/under of 56.5? Seems too high to me, i am pretty sure they had the second highest in the whole league

Under.

They will win 50-52 games.

They got better talent but need time for cohesion.

Cleveland is winning the East but Boston may the better record again.

 

[Knicks411]

Under.

They will win 50-52 games.

They got better talent but need time for cohesion.

Cleveland is winning the East but Boston may the better record again.

Yeah If I had to pick a number I think 51, 52 sounds good.

Some ones I like

Philly under 42.5
Utah over 40.5
Boston under 56.5
Spurs over 54.5

 

[Melancer46]

Yeah If I had to pick a number I think 51, 52 sounds good.

Some ones I like

Philly under 42.5
Utah over 40.5
Boston under 56.5
Spurs over 54.5

Yeah, I agree with all of those. Only one I'm remotely iffy on is the Spurs. I feel pretty good at Clippers Over 43.5 too. I think I bet on them at some point when the number was lower maybe, but I think the Clippers are still comfortably a playoff team.

 

[reedny]

I don't think Altman comes off bad at all. Kyrie didn't want to be there. He got a short-term piece in IT and some role players and got the long-term piece of Bron leaves (or doesn't leave) in the Bklyn pick, plus a second rounder as a kicker.

Boston got Kyrie, which is what they wanted.

Two teams negotiated and got what they needed. I think it's fine all around. No one is going to remember the extra few days and the 2nd rounder.

Explain Boston's thinking to me here? They have one of the league's most talented and productive PG's - who had an amazing (although ultimately unsuccessful) performance in the playoffs, so ... they get better by trading for another talented and productive PG? Okay, Kyrie's good, maybe better than IT. But are there not other positions (besides Hayward's) they should have upgraded first?

 

[Knicks411]

Yeah, I agree with all of those. Only one I'm remotely iffy on is the Spurs. I feel pretty good at Clippers Over 43.5 too. I think I bet on them at some point when the number was lower maybe, but I think the Clippers are still comfortably a playoff team.

Wasn't the Clipper total ridiculous at one point? like mid 30's?
For the Spurs, I'm just betting on Pop.

Explain Boston's thinking to me here? They have one of the league's most talented and productive PG's - who had an amazing (although ultimately unsuccessful) performance in the playoffs, so ... they get better by trading for another talented and productive PG? Okay, Kyrie's good, maybe better than IT. But are there not other positions (besides Hayward's) to upgrade first?

Not really? Thomas is a FA at the end of the season, he's coming off his career season, and he's got a bad hip. I didn't think they would sell high on him, but I totally think that was the smart move. (the idea of trading him. totally possible they gave up too much)

 

[Alsacs]

Explain Boston's thinking to me here? They have one of the league's most talented and productive PG's - who had an amazing (although ultimately unsuccessful) performance in the playoffs, so ... they get better by trading for another talented and productive PG? Okay, Kyrie's good, maybe better than IT. But are there not other positions (besides Hayward's) they should have upgraded first?

Boston got a top 10 player in the league.
Bona Fide stud. With how the NBA is going you need stars to attract other stars as the league is headed to super teams on top.
Isaiah was going to cost a really high 4-5 year contract to retain.

Celtics got 3 years younger.

No brainer imo as when the next star becomes available Boston becomes a destination.

 

[Knicks411]

Boston got a top 10 player in the league.
Bona Fide stud. With how the NBA is going you need stars to attract other stars as the league is headed to super teams on top.
Isaiah was going to cost a really high 4-5 year contract to retain.

Celtics got 3 years younger.

No brainer imo as when the next star becomes available Boston becomes a destination.

I agree with the main point, but there's no way I would rank Kyrie in the top ten.

interested to see how he looks without the safety net of Lebron

 

[Melancer46]

I agree with the main point, but there's no way I would rank Kyrie in the top ten.

interested to see how he looks without the safety net of Lebron

Same. I'd have to give it some though, but I feel like I'd probably have him closer to #20 than #10. I know the advanced stat kinda guys think he's significantly lower than that, but I tend to be pretty high on him.

 

[Knicks411]

Same. I'd have to give it some though, but I feel like I'd probably have him closer to #20 than #10. I know the advanced stat kinda guys think he's significantly lower than that, but I tend to be pretty high on him.

He's a really good scorer. He's not much defensively, and he's not a great passer.

Like I said, we'll see him without Lebron this year.

 

[Alsacs]

I agree with the main point, but there's no way I would rank Kyrie in the top ten.

interested to see how he looks without the safety net of Lebron

Kyrie or Giannis are the second best players in the Eastern conference.

Eitheir way they got a top 3 player in the East and if LeBron goes West that goes up.

 

[Trueblue25]

Still think Wall's better than Kyrie.

 

[Knicks411]

Kyrie or Giannis are the second best players in the Eastern conference.

Eitheir way they got a top 3 player in the East and if LeBron goes West that goes up.

I mean, the east is so bad, but yeah, I think Wall is better. Giannis is way better. For just next season, I'd probably take Lowry.

But jesus, the east is terrible. Joel Embiid is a possible I guess.

 

[Alsacs]

Wall is debatable for sure but Lowry?
Cmon NBA personnel take Irving over Lowry.

 

[MikeSU02]

Wall is debatable for sure but Lowry?
Cmon NBA personnel take Irving over Lowry.

I'm not the biggest Kyrie fan, but I think Kyrie is being underrated in this thread.

Kyrie is better than Wall and Lowry.

This game is still about getting buckets and his offensive toolkit is still superior to those other guys.

He's also a better passer than we are giving him credit for. It's not his fault Bron runs the show (as well he should, Bron is the man).

I don't think this trade alone makes Boston a title contender, but it's a step in the right direction. If Bron leaves the East, Boston is in the driver seat and becomes very appealing to guys like Ant Davis down the line.

Now please stop making me defend Kyrie.

 

[Knicks411]

I'm not the biggest Kyrie fan, but I think Kyrie is being underrated in this thread.

Kyrie is better than Wall and Lowry.

This game is still about getting buckets and his offensive toolkit is still superior to those other guys.

He's also a better passer than we are giving him credit for. It's not his fault Bron runs the show (as well he should, Bron is the man).

I don't think this trade alone makes Boston a title contender, but it's a step in the right direction. If Bron leaves the East, Boston is in the driver seat and becomes very appealing to guys like Ant Davis down the line.

Now please stop making me defend Kyrie.

I don't know. Kyrie is a really bad defensive player and he's a pretty indifferent passer. No question, the dude can get buckets like very few. And that's probably the single most important skill to have. And the rest of the east is pretty bad. But I don't think having Lowry or Wall above him is a crazy call.

Kyle Lowry, for instance, doesn't play with the best player on the planet, and he had a 62% true shooting last year, compared to 58% for Kyrie.

 

[Alsacs]

I don't know. Kyrie is a really bad defensive player and he's a pretty indifferent passer. No question, the dude can get buckets like very few. And that's probably the single most important skill to have. And the rest of the east is pretty bad. But I don't think having Lowry or Wall above him is a crazy call.

Kyle Lowry, for instance, doesn't play with the best player on the planet, and he had a 62% true shooting last year, compared to 58% for Kyrie.

Kyrie was the number one ISO player in the NBA.

He is good without LeBron passing to him.

Wall isn't a good defender either. Isaiah put 52 on him in the playoffs.

Wall vs. Irving is a debate.
Lowry is s tier below.