NBA 2018-2019
- Thread starter Alsacs
- Start date
OrangeDW
Living Legend
- Joined
- Aug 8, 2012
- Messages
- 65,363
- Like
- 200,435
I was cracking up laughing just reading about Butler at practice, and the interviews took it to another level. They called Rachel Nichols yesterday because he was ready to talk, he went to practice and won scrimmages with the scrubs on his team while screaming on the GM, coach, and other two “stars” and now is talking about how his passion for winning or something got the best of him. Seriously dying laughing. Awesome.
Jimmy Butler isn’t even a top 10 player in the league.
The drama surrounding this guy is insane.
His strength used to be his defense but as his offensive game developed his D has gone down.
I would trade him if I were Minnesota as he isn’t resinning. Find a package and just move him.
The drama surrounding this guy is insane.
His strength used to be his defense but as his offensive game developed his D has gone down.
I would trade him if I were Minnesota as he isn’t resinning. Find a package and just move him.
OrangeDW
Living Legend
- Joined
- Aug 8, 2012
- Messages
- 65,363
- Like
- 200,435
I’d put him borderline top 10. But yeah, maybe 11-15 is more accurate. But yeah, this story is comedy at this point. If Dion ends up in Minnesota as a result of this, I will not be laughing though...
I think top 15 is generous.
I would take
LeBron
Durant
Steph
Anthony Davis
Kawhi
Giannis
Westbrook
Harden
Kyrie
Wall
Paul
All before Butler.
Then you got guys like KAT, Draymond, Klay, George, Gobert who I see Butler grouped with.
I don’t think Butler is a franchise guy.
I see him as an all star. The Celtics could have traded for him but fans didn’t want to pay the price of a top 3 draft pick and Crowder.
OrangeDW
Living Legend
- Joined
- Aug 8, 2012
- Messages
- 65,363
- Like
- 200,435
In a vacuum, I think he’s a better overall player than Kyrie, Draymond, Klay, George, and Gobert.
Certain teams, depending on needs, might take any of those guys over him though.
Trueblue25
Cali Award Magistrate; 2023 Cali Award Rushing Yds
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Messages
- 40,605
- Like
- 83,382
Maybe Jimmy aspires to win a championship and Towns doesnt care
Trueblue25
Cali Award Magistrate; 2023 Cali Award Rushing Yds
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Messages
- 40,605
- Like
- 83,382
He embarrassed KAT in practice apparently. In the post as well.
Trueblue25
Cali Award Magistrate; 2023 Cali Award Rushing Yds
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Messages
- 40,605
- Like
- 83,382
This is going to be the most entertaining season in over a decade
Melancer46
Living Legend
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2011
- Messages
- 10,479
- Like
- 13,737
Melancer46
Living Legend
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2011
- Messages
- 10,479
- Like
- 13,737
I'd probably put Butler at 11 personally. I don't think Wall is really in that discussion right now; Butler is significantly better on defense and is a better scorer too. Wall has the edge as a passer obviously but he's significantly behind in the other two categories.
OttoinGrotto
2023-24 Iggy Award Most 3 Pointers Made
- Joined
- Aug 26, 2011
- Messages
- 63,392
- Like
- 186,335
I know I'm a poor sport, but I want somebody to just steamroll him on the basketball court.
Butler is 29. Wall is a year younger.
Kyrie is 3 years younger.
Jimmy Butler had the Bulls as the 8 seed 2 years ago in the East.
He isn’t even Carmelo good IMO.
He can be a good second guy but top 10 guy’s IMO first options.
Melancer46
Living Legend
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2011
- Messages
- 10,479
- Like
- 13,737
I didn't say I'd rank Butler ahead of Kyrie, though I do think it's a legitimate discussion.
We also talking about the top 10 guys long-term though, so the age really isn't a factor in these rankings at all. Health, on the other hand, is, and it's definitely a knock against Butler. But it's also a knock against Wall and Kyrie.
You don't have to be the #1 scoring option to be the #1 player on your team, but if we're going based off of that, Butler is a far better #1 option than John Wall at this point. Wall simply is not a good scorer right now (though this is really just a result of his shot distribution; he's a good finisher and shows signs of being a capable 3 point shooter, but he takes wayyyy too many mid-range jumpers and he's flat out terrible at them). Butler is a better finisher and light-years better mid-range shooter and his 3 point shot is roughly on par with Wall. He also draws fouls at a significantly higher rate. Butler is legitimately in the 10-15ish range if we're purely talking about scoring ability and he couples that with being a very good and versatile defender as well.
Trueblue25
Cali Award Magistrate; 2023 Cali Award Rushing Yds
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2013
- Messages
- 40,605
- Like
- 83,382
Lebron
Kd
AD
Curry
Kawhi
Harden
Kyrie
Westbrook
Lillard
Thompson
Butler
Imo
I probably missed a huge one or two
Kd
AD
Curry
Kawhi
Harden
Kyrie
Westbrook
Lillard
Thompson
Butler
Imo
I probably missed a huge one or two
OrangeDW
Living Legend
- Joined
- Aug 8, 2012
- Messages
- 65,363
- Like
- 200,435
Prime Carmelo was better than all these guys named above.
2 years ago, I think Wall was better than both Butler and Kyrie. Last year when healthy, Wall was the worst of the 3.
Cusefan0307
Red recruits the ACC!
- Joined
- Dec 21, 2011
- Messages
- 46,963
- Like
- 135,507
It's going to be really difficult rooting for Harden this year now that Melo is on the Rockets.
OrangeDW
Living Legend
- Joined
- Aug 8, 2012
- Messages
- 65,363
- Like
- 200,435
Kyrie, Lillard, and Klay are not better than Butler IMO.
Jimmy just does more things well than those guys do.
Knicks411
Living Legend
- Joined
- Aug 29, 2011
- Messages
- 13,872
- Like
- 12,571
Yeah, I think Butler is really really good. Maybe not a super elite #1 scoring option, but one of the best 2 way players in the league. Would rather have him than the 3 guy mention.
Cusefan0307
Red recruits the ACC!
- Joined
- Dec 21, 2011
- Messages
- 46,963
- Like
- 135,507
Hard to know how good Butler is offensively. He’s played basically his entire career with one of the worst offensive coaches in the Association.
Similar threads
